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[Lotion Soronarr]

Magdalena11 wrote...

mx_keep13 wrote...

@Rassler you're applying the terrible state of one circle to all. The only thing that happens in all circles is children being taken away after birth. That isnt terrible, the children are raised and cared for by the chantry most likely.

Children were abandoned at the chantry as well, orphans and such.  Being taken away from a parent who could provide a family to be placed in an orphanage, no matter how good-intentioned, isn't right.

Guess who runs most orphanages?
And guess what Child Services do today?

[Lotion Soronarr]

dragonflight288 wrote...

I would argue that all children, especially infants and toddlers, are in desperate need of parents. There is a safety net in the emotional connection. A person's greatest strength may derive from a strong family.

And there is nothing more traumatizing to a mother than having their child taken from them immediately upon birth, knowing they'll never see their baby again. And a traumatized mother who happens to be a mage is something most people don't want.

And yet is seems to work fine.

If taking babies away resutled in more abominations, then the Chantry wouldn't do it. IIRC, the practice was introduced for a reason.
Now we dont' have the numbers or statistics to know if it is really a good move or not.


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In other news... People, please sto with the notions that watching gameplay gives you a good idea on the strenght of mages or demons... or anyone for that matter.
The devs already flat out told us it does not.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

1.So then i order RoA of this chantry and every other (oh god i wish that i could say that in game with voice arnold:devil:)

...

2.Well still less damage is dead mage than this among living.About support as i said law that will use hate , fear and greed in once.So well any person that will help mage will be severely punished those who will help caputre mage will be rewarded and little propaganda that mages are evil or devilspawns would of course help.:whistle:So you are overestimating humans if you think that won't work... (and where were your supporters in da 2 outside cullen sentence?)

That mob that mobilized to defend Anders.

3.Not rly did i have mention templars can sense magic is someone (well something different about them) just only if they weren't stupid and trained properly they would use that.There is huge reason why most mages is imprisoned in circles...

Then how the hell did Ser Bryant miss Malcom and Bethany? And how did Cullen potentially miss Mage Hawke?

4.Yes bethany shows how mage is good dealing with ogre... mages suck deal with that...

Because she tried to tank the ogre's punches. If she'd hidden behind Leandra or Hawke that might have gone a bit differently.

5.No want more qunari are dogmatic fools with set of rules and restrictions and if you are smart you can use this rules against them... of course that tehcnology will need time to develop but it will.Another matter is that you think that they will attack now

Even the group responsible for most of the mage hate adknowlegdes that Thedas's better use of magic was one of their biggest advantages. (Oh wait, you think they're lying to help mages image for some reason.) And you're proposing to completely destroy that advantage. When will they attack, if you do that?

besides mages suck that first thedas will unite against them (and i doubt that they can fight with entire continent)

Funny, that's not what happened last time.

three use their principles against them unfettered person shouldn't have problem with that.  

How, exactly?

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 12 janvier 2014 - 01:01 .

[Lulupab]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

I would argue that all children, especially infants and toddlers, are in desperate need of parents. There is a safety net in the emotional connection. A person's greatest strength may derive from a strong family.

And there is nothing more traumatizing to a mother than having their child taken from them immediately upon birth, knowing they'll never see their baby again. And a traumatized mother who happens to be a mage is something most people don't want.

And yet is seems to work fine.

If taking babies away resutled in more abominations, then the Chantry wouldn't do it. IIRC, the practice was introduced for a reason.
Now we dont' have the numbers or statistics to know if it is really a good move or not.


*******************
In other news... People, please sto with the notions that watching gameplay gives you a good idea on the strenght of mages or demons... or anyone for that matter.
The devs already flat out told us it does not.

On the contrary instead of gameplay devs/writers tell us many things that makes me doubt stuff . Like Anders' short story written by Jennifer Helper who also wrote Anders for DA2 where he kills dozens of templars along with full patrol of grey warden with a single spell and turns them all to blood and bones with the spell's blast. And he allows Rolan to stab him with a sword only to laugh at him because nothing happened when he stabbed Anders and finally Anders ripped Rolan's head of with his bare hands yet in the game he doesn't act so strong, maybe he is strong but he certainly doesn't show it. And he should be strong because even if he is not mindless and power hungry like demonic abominations he do have powers of an abomination as he has direct link to the fade aka Justice and according to lore this means infinite willpower/mana.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

1.So then i order RoA of this chantry and every other (oh god i wish that i could say that in game with voice arnold:devil:)

...

2.Well still less damage is dead mage than this among living.About support as i said law that will use hate , fear and greed in once.So well any person that will help mage will be severely punished those who will help caputre mage will be rewarded and little propaganda that mages are evil or devilspawns would of course help.:whistle:So you are overestimating humans if you think that won't work... (and where were your supporters in da 2 outside cullen sentence?)

That mob that mobilized to defend Anders.

3.Not rly did i have mention templars can sense magic is someone (well something different about them) just only if they weren't stupid and trained properly they would use that.There is huge reason why most mages is imprisoned in circles...

Then how the hell did Ser Bryant miss Malcom and Bethany? And how did Cullen potentially miss Mage Hawke?

4.Yes bethany shows how mage is good dealing with ogre... mages suck deal with that...

Because she tried to tank the ogre's punches. If she'd hidden behind Leandra or Hawke that might have gone a bit differently.

5.No want more qunari are dogmatic fools with set of rules and restrictions and if you are smart you can use this rules against them... of course that tehcnology will need time to develop but it will.Another matter is that you think that they will attack now

Even the group responsible for most of the mage hate adknowlegdes that Thedas's better use of magic was one of their biggest advantages. (Oh wait, you think they're lying to help mages image for some reason.) And you're proposing to completely destroy that advantage. When will they attack, if you do that?

besides mages suck that first thedas will unite against them (and i doubt that they can fight with entire continent)

Funny, that's not what happened last time.

three use their principles against them unfettered person shouldn't have problem with that.  

How, exactly?

1.Don't like power fo the dark side?
2.I pointed that in another conversation on that same topic there were only 1 individual and 1 group of non-mages that showed support for mage it was quest giver for pro-mage hawke and ferelden refugees who were in situation "i need you" pulling situation "you are hero as long we need you" on anders.
3.Because they were idiots especially cullen they could sense it in lothering in my mage and morrigan as "something is wrong with you" that should be enough to any thinking person to tell who is mage or not.
4.But she didn't and she is dead so much for mage power so much for unlimited power "im invincible oh damn this enemy can move i need at leas 15 seconds to cast crappy flamethrower oh im dead.":lol:
5.Yes and their advantage almost caused the end of the world when one of their mages escaped and wanted summon demon army good work qunari thats what you get for being control freeks and that qunari control mages is rather weak move toward "mages are useful" because well qunari want control everyone so...
6.No? so i guess they lost their power over centuries because now they lost almost every their fight templar or not or simple that was just historical bull...
7.For example ruthlessy slaughter their civilians as i said qunari have rules and restrictions and every rule and restriction can be used against.

[Veruin]

Rassler wrote...

On the contrary instead of gameplay devs/writers tell us many things that makes me doubt stuff . Like Anders' short story written by Jennifer Helper who also wrote Anders for DA2 where he kills dozens of templars along with full patrol of grey warden with a single spell and turns them all to blood and bones with the spell's blast. And he allows Rolan to stab him with a sword only to laugh at him because nothing happened when he stabbed Anders and finally Anders ripped Rolan's head of with his bare hands yet in the game he doesn't act so strong, maybe he is strong but he certainly doesn't show it. And he should be strong because even if he is not mindless and power hungry like demonic abominations he do have powers of an abomination as he has direct link to the fade aka Justice and according to lore this means infinite willpower/mana.

If Anders (and mages in general) were as powerful as they are in gameplay as in the lore, we'd have people crying and moaning that the game is too easy.

[DPSSOC]

Magdalena11 wrote...
Safest for the child would be with its mother as well.  Among a group of young children supervised by a distracted Sister the child would be at worse risk of falling in a well than it would by being harmed by stray magic, abominations or annulment while in the care of its protective mother.

Except the mother has things to do, studies to complete, and can't devote 100% of her time to the child either.  Not to mention the fact that any strong emotional attachment is an open door to trouble for the mage, the child, and anyone within 50 miles.

MasterScribe wrote...
All those humans deserved what they got for encroaching on Dalish territory. You don't see Dalish invading human territory all the freakin' time. They just want to be left alone.

Fun fact, the Dalish have no territory.  Anywhere the Dalish go they are invading human lands.

The humans Velanna attacked were not in Dalish territory, they were minding their own business in their territory and Velanna hunted them down and attacked them.  Zathrian may, emphasis may, have been justified in what he did to the people who harmed his children, but not in what he did to every one of their offspring, and anyone who happened to come in to contact with the werewolves since (if I'm not mistaken this was over the course of some 300 years).

MasterScribe wrote...
Not every Dalish mage succumbs to demons. And the clan slaughter is preventable.

We're 3 for 3 so far.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Veruin wrote...

Rassler wrote...

On the contrary instead of gameplay devs/writers tell us many things that makes me doubt stuff . Like Anders' short story written by Jennifer Helper who also wrote Anders for DA2 where he kills dozens of templars along with full patrol of grey warden with a single spell and turns them all to blood and bones with the spell's blast. And he allows Rolan to stab him with a sword only to laugh at him because nothing happened when he stabbed Anders and finally Anders ripped Rolan's head of with his bare hands yet in the game he doesn't act so strong, maybe he is strong but he certainly doesn't show it. And he should be strong because even if he is not mindless and power hungry like demonic abominations he do have powers of an abomination as he has direct link to the fade aka Justice and according to lore this means infinite willpower/mana.

If Anders (and mages in general) were as powerful as they are in gameplay as in the lore, we'd have people crying and moaning that the game is too easy.

A: Komandor needs to read this.
B: Actually, there's already something to that. Did you know there's people who call the first game "Dragon Mage: Origins?"

[Veruin]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

A: Komandor needs to read this.
B: Actually, there's already something to that. Did you know there's people who call the first game "Dragon Mage: Origins?"

To be fair, barring dual wield rogue/warrior, it's not like the other classes were that good either.

Not that, that bothered me though.  I don't mind mages being 3x as power as the other classes.  If I want a challenge, I just...don't play mage.

Modifié par Veruin, 12 janvier 2014 - 03:35 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Just to clarify, some of these arguments assume there's anything to your attempts at using gameplay and cutscenes as an argument, when both the devs and common sense tell you aren't going to really reflect the lore 100%. (Although I have seen worse discrepancies. My first time through the mission in GTA:SA where Carl's digging a grave for himself, I was actually confused as to why holding a gun, and not even an automatic, to his head was a sufficient threat to motivate him to do that after breezing through endlessly worse odds. By comparison, a mage being able to throw a templar into a wall with a gesture seems about right.)

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

1.Don't like power fo the dark side?

There's nothing wrong with showing some ruthlessness for the greater good, but I don't think either describes you.

2.I pointed that in another conversation on that same topic there were only 1 individual and 1 group of non-mages that showed support for mage it was quest giver for pro-mage hawke and ferelden refugees who were in situation "i need you" pulling situation "you are hero as long we need you" on anders.

Meredith apparently had death squads, in the plural, to solve this problem. She would not have needed that if your impression even resembled the way things really were.

 
3.Because they were idiots especially cullen they could sense it in lothering in my mage and morrigan as "something is wrong with you" that should be enough to any thinking person to tell who is mage or not.

Either could be explained in light of the mage's bearing. Unless you think you need to somehow know Morrigan is a mage to know something is wrong with her.

4.But she didn't and she is dead so much for mage power so much for unlimited power "im invincible oh damn this enemy can move i need at leas 15 seconds to cast crappy flamethrower oh im dead.":lol:

That's why the mage is supposed to either wear armor or hide behind someone who is. And it's not like Carver does any better.

5.Yes and their advantage almost caused the end of the world when one of their mages escaped and wanted summon demon army good work qunari thats what you get for being control freeks and that qunari control mages is rather weak move toward "mages are useful" because well qunari want control everyone so...

I strongly doubt that he can end the world with a demon army any more than you can kill every mage in the world. Seriously, it's an entire world. Grow a sense of scale.

6.No? so i guess they lost their power over centuries because now they lost almost every their fight templar or not  

If by that you mean they forgot to bring a tank this time...

or simple that was just historical bull...

It's stuff like this that has me half-convinced you're a troll. How many times do I have to point out that if the people in charge of the presses wanted to alter the mages' role in the fighting, it would be to minimize it?

7.For example ruthlessy slaughter their civilians as i said qunari have rules and restrictions and every rule and restriction can be used against.

This assumes you can reach those civilians. I've seen no evidence of that. And it's not like the White Chantry's are any better armed.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 12 janvier 2014 - 03:48 .

[Pasquale1234]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Veruin wrote...

If Anders (and mages in general) were as powerful as they are in gameplay as in the lore, we'd have people crying and moaning that the game is too easy.

A: Komandor needs to read this.
B: Actually, there's already something to that. Did you know there's people who call the first game "Dragon Mage: Origins?"

It's actually pretty odd that he consistently uses that video to try to prove templar's power over mages.  If you watch past the cutscene, you'll see mage Hawke & Merrill wreaking havoc on the incoming templars.

There are, of course, quite a few other gameplay videos that show mages battling.  Like this or this or even this.

[TheKomandorShepard]

[quote]Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Just to clarify, some of these arguments assume there's anything to your attempts at using gameplay and cutscenes as an argument, when both the devs and common sense tell you aren't going to really reflect the lore 100%. (Although I have seen worse discrepancies. My first time through the mission in GTA:SA where Carl's digging a grave for himself, I was actually confused as to why holding a gun, and not even an automatic, to his head was a sufficient threat to motivate him to do that after breezing through endlessly worse odds. By comparison, a mage being able to throw a templar into a wall with a gesture seems about right.)

[quote]TheKomandorShepard wrote...

1.Don't like power fo the dark side?[/quote]

There's nothing wrong with showing some ruthlessness for the greater good, but I don't think either describes you.

[quote]
2.I pointed that in another conversation on that same topic there were only 1 individual and 1 group of non-mages that showed support for mage it was quest giver for pro-mage hawke and ferelden refugees who were in situation "i need you" pulling situation "you are hero as long we need you" on anders.[/quote]

Meredith apparently had death squads, in the plural, to solve this problem. She would not have needed that if your impression even resembled the way things really were.

[quote] 
3.Because they were idiots especially cullen they could sense it in lothering in my mage and morrigan as "something is wrong with you" that should be enough to any thinking person to tell who is mage or not. [/quote]

Either could be explained in light of the mage's bearing. Unless you think you need to somehow know Morrigan is a mage to know something is wrong with her.

[quote]
4.But she didn't and she is dead so much for mage power so much for unlimited power "im invincible oh damn this enemy can move i need at leas 15 seconds to cast crappy flamethrower oh im dead.":lol:[/quote]

That's why the mage is supposed to either wear armor or hide behind someone who is. And it's not like Carver does any better.

[quote]
5.Yes and their advantage almost caused the end of the world when one of their mages escaped and wanted summon demon army good work qunari thats what you get for being control freeks and that qunari control mages is rather weak move toward "mages are useful" because well qunari want control everyone so... [/quote]

I strongly doubt that he can end the world with a demon army any more than you can kill every mage in the world. Seriously, it's an entire world. Grow a sense of scale.

[quote]
6.No? so i guess they lost their power over centuries because now they lost almost every their fight templar or not  [/quote]

If by that you mean they forgot to bring a tank this time...

[quote]
or simple that was just historical bull...
[/quote]

It's stuff like this that has me half-convinced you're a troll. How many times do I have to point out that if the people in charge of the presses wanted to alter the mages' role in the fighting, it would be to minimize it?

[quote]
7.For example ruthlessy slaughter their civilians as i said qunari have rules and restrictions and every rule and restriction can be used against.
[/quote]

This assumes you can reach those civilians. I've seen no evidence of that. And it's not like the White Chantry's are any better armed.[/quote]

I even wonder that you peoples know that cutscene is part of story not gameplay... unless cutscene is based on game mechanic not on own mechanic which here wasn't in case...

1.There is no such thing as greater good thats it is only excuse to reach own goals in nasty ways i don't need that i just want add some humor to reaching my goals.
2.Well rly she had fanatical templars i didn't know who could possible think that knight commander had templars doing what she wants.As far i renember most peoples wanting only get rid of meredith what i can get not help mages...
3.Not rly if that was in case it would be retarded templar he cleary knew that something is wrong with them and that wasn't mage items.
4.Yes maybe they need also 1000 tousand peoples , tree of immortality and machine gun to be effective?
And what that says that mage isn't rly much effective than non-mage and thats all for their power but non-mage can't be demon i will stay with non-mage who are slightly less effective but can't burn world...

5.Watch da redemption he almost did it so point for me and yes demon can cause that in da dawn of the seeker cassandra who killed golems or blood mages like nothing couldn't even harm him.

6.Of course need mages want maybe immortality , machine guns and dragons fighting for them to be effective? bam more wishes i could be effective as well if i had army behind my back and rocket launcher. and i can't turn into demon bam!

7.Of course how dear i question history especially that doesn't reflect reality mages remind me him 


just that same everyone think he is powerful , can't beat anything and in the end it turns that was only false.

8.Do i have to explain that when thedas united they started push qunari back?


[quote]Pasquale1234 wrote...

[quote]Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

[quote]Veruin wrote...

If
Anders (and mages in general) were as powerful as they are in gameplay
as in the lore, we'd have people crying and moaning that the game is too
easy.

[/quote]

A: Komandor needs to read this.
B:
Actually, there's already something to that. Did you know there's people
who call the first game "Dragon Mage: Origins?"[/quote]

It's
actually pretty odd that he consistently uses that video to try to prove
templar's power over mages.  If you watch past the cutscene, you'll see
mage Hawke & Merrill wreaking havoc on the incoming templars.

There are, of course, quite a few other gameplay videos that show mages battling.  Like this or this or even this.
[/quote]

Cutscenes aren't part of gameplay they are part of story so well and you showed me gameplay unless when cutscenes was pulled did i have mention that hawke is protagonist what make him superbadass a way beyond normal mages?

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 12 janvier 2014 - 05:16 .

[LobselVith8]

hhh89 wrote...

@Octagonal Square: Gaider confirmed that lyrium is necessary, and Alistair in the comics stated he had to take lyrium to use again templar's abilities.

True, they've now discarded Alistair's dialogue in Origins and have made lyrium necessary.

Speaking of lyrium, I wonder where the Dalish and the apostates would get their lyrium supply, as well as the templars and the mages now that they've separated from the Chantry. Is the Inquisitor going to play a role in petitioning the sole, official source of lyrium to distribute it to the faction they've allied with, or might Orzammar wait to see who has won the Mage-Templar War before choosing to do business with either side?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 Stop feeding the Troll known as TheKomandorShepard.

[MisterJB]

MasterScribe wrote...
All those humans deserved what they got for encroaching on Dalish territory. You don't see Dalish invading human territory all the freakin' time. They just want to be left alone.

WTF?
First, there is no such thing as "Dalish territory"; certainly not within the human kingdom of Ferelden. So, yes, every second they are outside Par-Vollen or the Deep Roads, they are invading human territory.
Second, Vellana killed merchants who were simply passing through a road built by humans in an attempt to make commerce flow; you know, the lifeline of human civilization. The reason Amaranthine was on the brink of economic collapse was because of her.
Third, she complains that humans burned a forest in order to keep the elves away from their farms; again, elves encroaching on human territory. The forest belong to the humans; if they wish to burn it, maybe to make room for expansion, who are the elves to tell them they can't?

[AresKeith]

Rassler wrote...

On my previous comment about harshness of circles I never meant mages should be completely free. I just said circles are not working, whatever might happen I can bet that there will be no such ending to bring back the old circles. I mean mages just rebelled to get out of it, to get back to it without gaining anything? Nope, not going to happen.

Still doesn't change the fact that the Circle is still a solution, a solution that needs some improving but still is a solution 

Lord Raijin wrote...

Wynne was not part of the Kirkwall circle and the templar's kidnapped her newborn son. kidnapping babies from circle mages seems to be quite normal event.

View it as you like but it still makes sense to move a newborn child from a dangerous place as the Circle

[TheKomandorShepard]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

 Stop feeding the Troll known as TheKomandorShepard.

That you are wrong doesn't make someone who isn't troll.
I provided evidence and mocked mages if you want i can start point "power of mages" beyond games when you won't have excuse "gameplay" (even if that will be cutscene part of the story) all what you guys have is uncertain entry in codex... 

just love when person don't have arguments and start call me troll.

AresKeith wrote...

Rassler wrote...

On my
previous comment about harshness of circles I never meant mages should
be completely free. I just said circles are not working, whatever might
happen I can bet that there will be no such ending to bring back the old
circles. I mean mages just rebelled to get out of it, to get back to it
without gaining anything? Nope, not going to happen.

Still doesn't change the fact that the Circle is still a solution, a solution that needs some improving but still is a solution 

Well freeing mages is as well solution is tjos a good solution nope so should i free them because it is solution stupid reason.Circles don't work like freeing mages...  

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 12 janvier 2014 - 05:42 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

 Stop feeding the Troll known as TheKomandorShepard.

That you are wrong doesn't make someone who isn't troll.
I provided evidence and mocked mages if you want i can start point "power of mages" beyond games when you won't have excuse "gameplay" (even if that will be cutscene part of the story) all what you guys have is uncertain entry in codex... 

just love when person don't have arguments and start call me troll.

Troll: One who purposely and deliberately (that purpose usually being self-amusement) starts an argument in a manner which attacks others on a forum without in any way listening to the arguments proposed by his or her peers. He will spark of such an argument via the use of ad hominem attacks (i.e. 'you're nothing but a fanboy' is a popular phrase) with no substance or relevence to back them up as well as straw man arguments, which he uses to simply avoid addressing the essence of the issue.


You seem to fit the definition here. You may not be a troll in general, but in this issue you are. Every argument that has been against you you just handwave away and you make straw man arguments, lika a mage is a walking nuclear bomb.

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 12 janvier 2014 - 05:43 .

[Rotward]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Rotward wrote...

Kidnapping children from their parents is a federal offence. Don't kid yourself. 

It's also a right delegated to the states. You can argue if you want that it's not justified here, but it's quite manifestly justified in some cases.

What, when the parents are unfit? That requires the parents to have had an opportunity to, you know, be parents. If they've never met the kid, you've got no evidence that they're unfit to be parents.

Unless they left it in an ally, in which case it's not kidnapping to take the kid in. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

 Stop feeding the Troll known as TheKomandorShepard.

That you are wrong doesn't make someone who isn't troll.
I provided evidence and mocked mages if you want i can start point "power of mages" beyond games when you won't have excuse "gameplay" (even if that will be cutscene part of the story) all what you guys have is uncertain entry in codex... 

just love when person don't have arguments and start call me troll.

trollOne who purposely and deliberately (that purpose usually being self-amusement) starts an argument in a manner which attacks others on a forum without in any way listening to the arguments proposed by his or her peers. He will spark of such an argument via the use of ad hominem attacks (i.e. 'you're nothing but a fanboy' is a popular phrase) with no substance or relevence to back them up as well as straw man arguments, which he uses to simply avoid addressing the essence of the issue.


You seem to fit the definition here. You may not be a troll in general, but in this issue you are. Every argument that has been against you you just handwave away and you make straw man arguments, lika a mage is a walking nuclear bomb.

Oh did i insulted you or others so where i attacked someone sorry but if someone tells me that mage is powerful because it is written in codex and game and other products show us otherwise there is a little reason why i shouldn't mock that argument.Even one of devs stated they are walking bombs but also peoples so well did i notice second yes did i care about no... 

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 12 janvier 2014 - 05:51 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

I even wonder that you peoples know that cutscene is part of story not gameplay... unless cutscene is based on game mechanic not on own mechanic which here wasn't in case...

1.There is no such thing as greater good thats it is only excuse to reach own goals in nasty ways i don't need that i just want add some humor to reaching my goals.

You're right, LDS. I'll stop now.

[MisterJB]

Rotward wrote...
What, when the parents are unfit? That requires the parents to have had an opportunity to, you know, be parents. If they've never met the kid, you've got no evidence that they're unfit to be parents.

There are a number of debilitating medical conditions that can automatically disqualify someone from being a parent even before the child is born; some of them have accompanied the parent since birth.
Magic could be considered one such medical condition.

Regardless, the Circle simply isn't the right environment for toddlers; plus there are other problems to take into account; mage parents doing drastic things to spare their child the Harrowing, non-mages born to mages, Circle overpopulation, etc.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

 Stop feeding the Troll known as TheKomandorShepard.

That you are wrong doesn't make someone who isn't troll.
I provided evidence and mocked mages if you want i can start point "power of mages" beyond games when you won't have excuse "gameplay" (even if that will be cutscene part of the story) all what you guys have is uncertain entry in codex... 

just love when person don't have arguments and start call me troll.

trollOne who purposely and deliberately (that purpose usually being self-amusement) starts an argument in a manner which attacks others on a forum without in any way listening to the arguments proposed by his or her peers. He will spark of such an argument via the use of ad hominem attacks (i.e. 'you're nothing but a fanboy' is a popular phrase) with no substance or relevence to back them up as well as straw man arguments, which he uses to simply avoid addressing the essence of the issue.


You seem to fit the definition here. You may not be a troll in general, but in this issue you are. Every argument that has been against you you just handwave away and you make straw man arguments, lika a mage is a walking nuclear bomb.

Oh did i insult you or others so where i attacked someone sorry but if someone tells me that mage is powerful because it is written in codex and game and other products show us otherwise there is a little reason why i shouldn't mock that argument.Even one of devs stated they are walking bombs but also peoples so well did i notice second yes did i care about no... 

Not all trolls are those who insult others, but if you think that's needed then you do insult everyone who isn't Pro-Genocidal Sociopath playthrough like you seem to advocate, handwaving their argument away by saying "hur dur that won't work because all mages are possessed. We should kill them all." or something along that nature. Walking bombs =/= walking nuclear bombs. Watch footage of a normal bomb and compare it to footage of a nuke and you'll see how much of a hyberbole your statement is.

Now to follow my own advice, this will be my final word on the issue.

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 12 janvier 2014 - 05:57 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

I even wonder that you peoples know that cutscene is part of story not gameplay... unless cutscene is based on game mechanic not on own mechanic which here wasn't in case...

1.There is no such thing as greater good thats it is only excuse to reach own goals in nasty ways i don't need that i just want add some humor to reaching my goals.

You're right, LDS. I'll stop now.

problem?

Problem with second greater good is something that you think is more good one person may or not agree with your vision of good so what is good depends on your morals you may blow chantry and see that as mean for greater good (what was adners ideals) but templars who have other ideals that wasn't greater good as well for chantry sisters that was killed...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Not all trolls are those who
insult others, but if you think that's needed then you do insult
everyone who isn't Pro-Genocidal Sociopath playthrough like you seem to
advocate, handwaving their argument away by saying "hur dur that won't
work because all mages are possessed. We should kill them all." or
something along that nature. Walking bombs =/= walking nuclear bombs.
Watch footage of a normal bomb and compare it to footage of a nuke and
you'll see how much of a hyberbole your statement is.

Now to follow my own advice, this will be my final word on the issue.

Because if something is navie or untrue i mock that i can and i should... and how i insult them i simple state that their solutions are naive and end badly like freeing tiger in middle of the city with excuse "every creature should be free" .If walking bomb was detected by any goverment they would killed it or just end experimenting on that person i pretty much renember that nuclear was used there but i may be wrong so well...

well you started that discussion calling me troll (insulting me ) and that was done purposeful and you don't listen my arguments so are you troll see i can do that too.

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 12 janvier 2014 - 06:06 .

[Lulupab]

MisterJB wrote...

Rotward wrote...
What, when the parents are unfit? That requires the parents to have had an opportunity to, you know, be parents. If they've never met the kid, you've got no evidence that they're unfit to be parents.

There are a number of debilitating medical conditions that can automatically disqualify someone from being a parent even before the child is born; some of them have accompanied the parent since birth.
Magic could be considered one such medical condition.

Regardless, the Circle simply isn't the right environment for toddlers; plus there are other problems to take into account; mage parents doing drastic things to spare their child the Harrowing, non-mages born to mages, Circle overpopulation, etc.

Rhys could have turned out much better if left in care of Wynne and according to Tevinters the child of two mages has significant chance of being a mage especially if parents of both the father and mother were mages as well. I.E if for ten generation someone's ancestors were all mages the chance of their child being a mage is like 95%.