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[Hellion Rex]

MisterJB wrote...

Veruin wrote...

MisterJB wrote...
You mean that people are never satisfied with what they have even if they have it better than 99% of people around them?
Shocking.

#FirstWorldProblems?

I mean, some mages burn a building to the ground, summon the dead and attack everyone in the vicinity. Meredith executes a few and everyone loses their minds about how "enslaved" mages are.

And then there was that poor bastard in Ferelden who stole two sacks of grain to feed his family who starved after darkspawn slaughtered his sheep and the law dictates he should be hanged and no one says a thing.
I'm sorry, I must be missing something. Who exactly is the opressed social underclass again?

*raises hand* I said something.

[Lulupab]

AresKeith wrote...

The fact that Fiona, one of the most extreme Mages I've seen criticized Anders really says alot

So you mean Anders is less extreme than Fiona?

[Hellion Rex]

Rassler wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

The fact that Fiona, one of the most extreme Mages I've seen criticized Anders really says alot

So you mean Anders is less extreme than Fiona?

No. Anders is about as extreme as you can get.

[Invisible Man]

honestly, I think if mages weren't locked away in a tower, torn from family & friends, and then placed under the supervision of templars who have divine right to do to mages whatever they wish, with little if any restraint... well, those seem to be the problems right there. imho.

[MisterJB]

eluvianix wrote...
*raises hand* I said something.

Yeah, but you're one of the good ones.

Also, I'm reposting this. Get some things in perspective.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

What about that Andrian person? I got the impression from all the summaries people gave about Asunder that she's supposed to be the most extreme character in the Mage rebellion.

[MisterJB]

eluvianix wrote...

Rassler wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

The fact that Fiona, one of the most extreme Mages I've seen criticized Anders really says alot

So you mean Anders is less extreme than Fiona?

No. Anders is about as extreme as you can get.

Wha...Mr "I'd kill every single person in Kirkwall to free the mages"?
Noooooooo.

[Lord Raijin]

eluvianix wrote...

Rassler wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

The fact that Fiona, one of the most extreme Mages I've seen criticized Anders really says alot

So you mean Anders is less extreme than Fiona?

No. Anders is about as extreme as you can get.

Anders is a product of the Chantry. They created him.

[Jaison1986]

MisterJB wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
*raises hand* I said something.

Yeah, but you're one of the good ones.

Also, I'm reposting this. Get some things in perspective.

The circle is an nice enough place to live. The problem are those biased fools in charge of it.

[Hellion Rex]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

What about that Andrian person? I got the impression from all the summaries people gave about Asunder that she's supposed to be the most extreme character in the Mage rebellion.

She's Fiona's "spirtual understudy". Next to Anders though, Adrian is about as extreme as you can get. She basically kicked off the war by killing Pharamond and blaming it on someone else.

[dragonflight288]

TK514 wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

The current system would be fine if the templars were held to a universal standard as an institution, and they practiced extensive oversight. And Word of Thedas says that the Nevarran Accord, the very agreement that started the Circle system, promised and guaranteed the mages their own level of autonomy, with templars only present to watch and advice, but would ultimately have no say in how the Circle was run.

So you want the Seekers to do their jobs.

Essentially yes. If they don't, the templars won't be held to a set standard, and if they're not, there's room for corruption in the order itself.

I think one of the largest problems was that under Divine Beatrix, who was in the office for 50 years, the role of Divine became a figurehead role, one without any power. And the Seekers are supposed to be answerable ONLY to the Divine. If she has no real authority, the Seekers don't answer to anyone.

Then as we saw in Asunder, when Justinia tried using her authority, those around were gobsmacked because they had become accustomed to the Divine being a figurehead.

[spirosz]

Lord Raijin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Rassler wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

The fact that Fiona, one of the most extreme Mages I've seen criticized Anders really says alot

So you mean Anders is less extreme than Fiona?

No. Anders is about as extreme as you can get.

Anders is a product of the Chantry. They created him.

He had a choice.  

[Hellion Rex]

spirosz wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Rassler wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

The fact that Fiona, one of the most extreme Mages I've seen criticized Anders really says alot

So you mean Anders is less extreme than Fiona?

No. Anders is about as extreme as you can get.

Anders is a product of the Chantry. They created him.

He had a choice.  

And he chose poorly.

[MisterJB]

Lord Raijin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Rassler wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

The fact that Fiona, one of the most extreme Mages I've seen criticized Anders really says alot

So you mean Anders is less extreme than Fiona?

No. Anders is about as extreme as you can get.

Anders is a product of the Chantry. They created him.

The Chantry is a product of Tevinter. The mages started the cycle of violence.

[AresKeith]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

What about that Andrian person? I got the impression from all the summaries people gave about Asunder that she's supposed to be the most extreme character in the Mage rebellion.

Andrian is one of the mages that needs to die

[Lulupab]

MisterJB wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
*raises hand* I said something.

Yeah, but you're one of the good ones.

Also, I'm reposting this. Get some things in perspective.

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Templars and how they treat mages is real problem not the conditions of circle. Its a pretty prison really.

[Hellion Rex]

AresKeith wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

What about that Andrian person? I got the impression from all the summaries people gave about Asunder that she's supposed to be the most extreme character in the Mage rebellion.

Andrian is one of the mages that needs to die

If she doesn't get possessed by a pride demon first...

[Lulupab]

 At least Anders is handsome. That sexy tortured look <3

[Mr.House]

Lord Raijin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Rassler wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

The fact that Fiona, one of the most extreme Mages I've seen criticized Anders really says alot

So you mean Anders is less extreme than Fiona?

No. Anders is about as extreme as you can get.

Anders is a product of the Chantry. They created him.

Chantry is a product of magic being abused and as spi spi said, he had a choice, Anders decided to be an idiot andt he fact that in the end his explosion did nothing but cause both factions hate him and didn't even start the war just shows that Anders was worthless and a failure.

[Hellion Rex]

Rassler wrote...

 At least Anders is handsome. That sexy tortured look <3

He is rather gorgeous, but that's all he's got.

[Lord Raijin]

MisterJB wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
*raises hand* I said something.

Yeah, but you're one of the good ones.

Also, I'm reposting this. Get some things in perspective.

I rather live in darktown then to be controlled by someone that looks like this:



Also in Kirkwall the Circle was being turned into a prison so I'm pretty sure that it doesn't look as nice as the Ferelden circle. Why would people be escaping if they had it made?

[The Elder King]

@LordRaijin: they didn't necessarily escape for the live condition. They might've escaped for how the templars acted in Kirkwall.
There is no way to know how were the living condition in the Gallows.

[MisterJB]

Lord Raijin wrote...

I rather live in darktown

 No, you really don't.

then to be controlled by someone that looks like this:

Meredith is beautiful.
 

Why would people be escaping if they had it made?

Because people are never satisfied with what they have. Mages over glorify an harsh world most of them never experienced.
They can't even conceive the notion of not everyone being literate because that is the norm in the Circle.

Modifié par MisterJB, 13 janvier 2014 - 05:59 .

[spirosz]

Sadly, every mage is going to be looked at with suspicion, regardless if they're not out to harm anyone. You can be the most profound mage at the time, but that doesn't change the fact that you never know if they could end up losing to the demonic possession. It's sad really, since they have such a gift, even if they choose the route of Blood Magic, who is to say they aren't going down a path that isn't out to harm anyone, it's just that specific way is what connects to them the most, spiritually and physically.

Finding every single mage and locking them up would never be a solution, nor killing them off, but there has to be balance on both sides because both have their extremes, but the problem is - mages have an advantage in terms of just raw power, if those extremes end up unfolding - which they have multiple times.

[AresKeith]

Meredith could control me

9/10 WB