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[Veruin]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

What do you think set all those buildings in Kirkwall up in flames then if not the giant frag grenade that Anders turned the Chantry into?

The townspeople must've set their own homes on fire to deceive us into thinking Ander's bomb hit more than the chantry!  The fiends!

[Lulupab]

Is this agreeing to disagree? I'll play. So as I described roofs of some buildings got on fire, so what? No one has died. Property damage.

Modifié par Rassler, 13 janvier 2014 - 08:56 .

[TK514]

eluvianix wrote...

TK514 wrote...
if we did something reasonable like that, what would we talk about for the next year?  Romances? *shudder*

You know you want to.

We only have two settings here on BSN; 'Didn't post' and 'Extreme'.  When that gets applied to romance threads, look out.  Whole forum sections go down in flames, with nothing left but the weeping of shell shocked survivors.

These Templar/Mage threads may be absurdly redundant, but after all this time, I feel comfortable in the inanity.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Rassler wrote...

Is this agreeing to disagree? I'll play. So as I described roofs of some buildings got on fire, so what? No one has died yet. Property damage.

I never agreed to disagree since I see both sides. I understand why Anders did it, though I do not agree with it(should have chosen a better target like the Templar's Quarters) and will call out the faults in his plan. One of which was sending chunks of the Chantry into the city and setting it ablaze, killing who knows how many innocent people. And you are kidding yourself if you think nobody died from that.

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 13 janvier 2014 - 08:59 .

[Lulupab]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Rassler wrote...

Is this agreeing to disagree? I'll play. So as I described roofs of some buildings got on fire, so what? No one has died yet. Property damage.

I never agreed to disagree since I see both sides. I understand why Anders did it, though I do not agree with it(should have chosen a better target like the Templar's Quarters) and will call out the faults in his plan. One of which was sending chunks of the Chantry into the city and setting it ablaze, killing who knows how many innocent people. And you are kidding yourself if you think nobody died from that.

I'm simply blaming  the game which was the agreement on agreeing to disagree. Even if a genocide happened, the game did not show it and it even denied it. Meredith was like:

"lolololol, grand cleric killed, chantry destroyed, kill more, lolololol, kill kill kill"

Lets be honest here, if you need to write a novel so soon after the game which explains all the events then you know you messed up, and the mess up was DA2 this time. The game was so obviously rushed, EVERY SINGLE GAMING SITE gave it a poor rating, that cannot be a coinsidence can it? The game simply fails to show the why's, the when's and the how many's. Asunder fully describes everything in detail, no one goes crazy for no apparent reason and everything is in order. DA2 is chaos.

[Veruin]

Rassler wrote...
Lets be honest here, if you need to write a novel so soon after the game which explains all the events then you know you messed up, and the mess up was DA2 this time. The game was so obviously rushed, EVERY SINGLE GAMING SITE gave it a poor rating, that cannot be a coinsidence can it? The game simply fails to show the why's, the when's and the how many's. Asunder fully describes everything in detail, no one goes crazy for no apparent reason and everything is in order. DA2 is chaos

Dragon Age 2 released - March 8th, 2011.

Asunder published - December 1st, 2011.

That seems like a rather short window to write, publish and distribute a book.

[x-aizen-x]

the complete extermination of all jedi

[Lulupab]

Veruin wrote...

Rassler wrote...
Lets be honest here, if you need to write a novel so soon after the game which explains all the events then you know you messed up, and the mess up was DA2 this time. The game was so obviously rushed, EVERY SINGLE GAMING SITE gave it a poor rating, that cannot be a coinsidence can it? The game simply fails to show the why's, the when's and the how many's. Asunder fully describes everything in detail, no one goes crazy for no apparent reason and everything is in order. DA2 is chaos

Dragon Age 2 released - March 8th, 2011.

Asunder published - December 1st, 2011.

That seems like a rather short window to write, publish and distribute a book.

Hmm interesting but since the fact that DA2 was a mess up is not even up for debate I can draw only one logical conclusion. David Gaider knew what was goingto happen after DA2 and all the loop holes it left. But I believe Bioware is hardly responsible as EA forced the rush of DA2. So David Gaider started writing the novel. Or simply he started writing and when it was finished it fixed the mistakes of DA2, to some degree that is.

Modifié par Rassler, 13 janvier 2014 - 09:27 .

[x-aizen-x]

OPs i mean all non-mages

[Eludajae]

No solution! NO PEACE! Templars die!

[Pasquale1234]

TK514 wrote...

Pasquale1234 wrote...

Could we also agree that DA2 showcased extremes?  It may have provided some object lessons, but doesn't give us much fuel for drawing any conclusions about how most people might think, feel, or act.

if we did something reasonable like that, what would we talk about for the next year?  Romances? *shudder*

Sorry.  Lost my head there for a moment.

Might not be too much longer, though, before they start trickling some more info about the game.  It will be a nice change from the speculation threads.

[x-aizen-x]

Eludajae wrote...

No solution! NO PEACE! Templars die!

No all non-mages die. lets purify thedas. THE COMPLETE EXTERMINATION OF ALL NORMIES.

[Lulupab]

x-aizen-x wrote...

Eludajae wrote...

No solution! NO PEACE! Templars die!

No all non-mages die. lets purify thedas. THE COMPLETE EXTERMINATION OF ALL NORMIES.

I rather turn them all to mages if we are going to take such extreme roads. If everyone become a mage all our problems will be solved. Its more like a synthesis solution from ME3. 

[Linkenski]

Injecting synthesis in Thedas... oh, sorry, wrong board!

[TheKomandorShepard]

Rassler wrote...

x-aizen-x wrote...

Eludajae wrote...

No solution! NO PEACE! Templars die!

No all non-mages die. lets purify thedas. THE COMPLETE EXTERMINATION OF ALL NORMIES.

I rather turn them all to mages if we are going to take such extreme roads. If everyone become a mage all our problems will be solved. Its more like a synthesis solution from ME3. 

https://encrypted-tb...bQKiV2m7TmwcKGQ

How the heck making everyone mage is solution while being a mage is problem in itself flaws of being mage are gigantic comparing to advantage.Great idea lets make everyone mage peoples even stupid and uneducated pesants or foolish nobles who can't solve anything great idea im sure they won't end possessed demons will thank you for such easy entrance to thedas. 

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 13 janvier 2014 - 10:31 .

[SgtSteel91]

Go a step further for the Synthesis solution by making everyone mages and giving all spirits full understanding of mortals. There, everyone is better than they were and spirits/demons have no reason to invade Thedas because they have everything they once hated mortals for having. Mortals and Spirits understand each other and are on even footing so that problem is solved (supposedly).

Modifié par SgtSteel91, 13 janvier 2014 - 10:40 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

SgtSteel91 wrote...

Go a step further for the Synthesis solution by making everyone mages and giving all spirits full understanding of mortals. There, everyone is better than they were and spirits/demons have no reason to invade Thedas because they have everything they once hated mortals for having.

yes they should add to that turns everyone into jesus and we never have war again and there is no hunger in thedas anymore because everyone can spam bread.

[Rotward]

Is this thread still going? You guys realize that this is a thread about how you want to solve the templar-mage conflict, not about which one is "best."

Course, I guess I'm the kettle calling the pot black.

[SgtSteel91]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

SgtSteel91 wrote...

Go a step further for the Synthesis solution by making everyone mages and giving all spirits full understanding of mortals. There, everyone is better than they were and spirits/demons have no reason to invade Thedas because they have everything they once hated mortals for having.

yes they should add to that turns everyone into jesus and we never have war again and there is no hunger in thedas anymore because everyone can spam bread.

That is almost exactly what happened in one of the endings of Mass Effect 3, except with robots and normal people.

[Lulupab]

TheKomandorShepard is giving me a headache. :|

[DKJaigen]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Rassler wrote...

x-aizen-x wrote...

Eludajae wrote...

No solution! NO PEACE! Templars die!

No all non-mages die. lets purify thedas. THE COMPLETE EXTERMINATION OF ALL NORMIES.

I rather turn them all to mages if we are going to take such extreme roads. If everyone become a mage all our problems will be solved. Its more like a synthesis solution from ME3. 

https://encrypted-tb...bQKiV2m7TmwcKGQ

How the heck making everyone mage is solution while being a mage is problem in itself flaws of being mage are gigantic comparing to advantage.Great idea lets make everyone mage peoples even stupid and uneducated pesants or foolish nobles who can't solve anything great idea im sure they won't end possessed demons will thank you for such easy entrance to thedas. 

being mundane is like being prey. mages can become predators. things like demonic invasions blights dragon flights will always happen and millions of mundanes will die because they are to weak to do so.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Rassler wrote...

TheKomandorShepard is giving me a headache. :|

Reality hurts

DKJaigen wrote...


being mundane is like being prey.
mages can become predators. things like demonic invasions blights dragon
flights will always happen and millions of mundanes will die because
they are to weak to do so.

Mages are screwd anyway non-mages kick their back parts and well falling to demon have smiliar results (and well anders described that isn't fun time being abomnation).and well now mages are prey to everyone and everything...

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 13 janvier 2014 - 10:48 .

[DPSSOC]

Lord Raijin wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...
Do you not realize how overly protective a mother can be once she has given birth to a child?

 
Do you not realize that's not a positive trait in a mage?  Magic requires focus, powerful emotions like maternal protectiveness mess with a mage's self control.

Lord Raijin wrote...
Oh and the Circle wouldn't be as dangerous if the mages were treated with respect.

We see a mage light himself on fire.  Another mage is practicing creating a shield against offensive magic.  Numerous hazardous materials are kept on sight.  None of those are a result of mages not being treated with respect.  The practice of magic is dangerous, the Circle is dangerous because of it.

Where does it say that having material instincts effects the mages ability to control her magic and self control?

 
Have you ever met a parent who never reacted irrationally with regards to their children?  Powerful emotion (any emotion good or bad) compromises rational thought and self control.  Let's say Wynne were allowed to keep her child, and at some point he was sick or injured.  Wynne's worried about him but she still needs to carry on with her work.  So she's doing magic, distracted by worry over her child, and screws up.  Given how we've seen magic screw ups can go how many are you willing to allow for the sake of letting mages, who already demonstrate severe deficiencies in dealing with emotions and emotional trauma in anything even remotely resembling a healthy manner, hold on to little bundles of emotional turmoil and constant distraction?

Lord Raijin wrote...
Just because you saw someone lighting himself on fire doesn't mean that every mage is weak. Some are strong while others are weak; some prefer to take the Rite of Tranqulity because they're unable to master their magic talents. Wynne was a strong willed woman. I cannot see her lighting herself on fire just because she has a child.

Two separate issues.  The instance of a mage lighting himself on fire was to illustrate 1) that not all dangers of the Circle are results of them not being treated with respect, and 2) with the other examples illustrating that even in simple day to day operation the Circle is dangerous.

[Pasquale1234]

DPSSOC wrote...

Given how we've seen magic screw ups can go how many are you willing to allow for the sake of letting mages, who already demonstrate severe deficiencies in dealing with emotions and emotional trauma in anything even remotely resembling a healthy manner, hold on to little bundles of emotional turmoil and constant distraction?

Any theories as to possible reasons for that?

[Hellion Rex]

DPSSOC wrote...
 .....mages, who already demonstrate severe deficiencies in dealing with emotions and emotional trauma in anything even remotely resembling a healthy manner, hold on to little bundles of emotional turmoil and constant distraction?

And pray tell, what deficiencies do they suffer other than simply being alive? They are not deficient for being unable to deal with emotions. They are just as "deficient" as any non mage in that regard. The only difference is that they can blow stuff up when they get annoyed.