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[General TSAR]

He made a deal with a demon, an offense punishable by death as far as my Warden is concerned (he doesn't care about the reasons) but he was glad to see Isolde finally do something useful.

Modifié par General TSAR, 14 janvier 2014 - 10:20 .

[dragonflight288]

General TSAR wrote...

He made a deal with a demon, an offense punishable by death as far as my Warden is concerned but he was glad to see Isolde finally do something useful.

You're talking about a four to six year old boy you know. You lay all the blame on a child. Not on the poisoner, not on the person who hired the poisoner, not on the person who hid him, not on incompetency, but on what is likely the most innocent person in the whole situation.

Well....I can safely say you won't be on my advisory board when I'm playing as my Inquisitor.

[Hellion Rex]

General TSAR wrote...

He made a deal with a demon, an offense punishable by death as far as my Warden is concerned but he was glad to see Isolde finally do something useful.

I'm not saying he's blameless, but I place higher blame on Isolde for starting this gigantic mess.

[dragonflight288]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Rotward wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

Connor was the catalyst and he died for his stupidity.

I disagree. Isolde was the one who tried to hide his magic, starting this whole mess. And I don't blame the kid for wanting his dad back.

And Isolde hid his magic so that her son wouldn't be kidnapped by the chantry. Everyone's to blame! 

Not really. He didn't turn because he was scared to be taken away or something.

He only wanted to help his father, and had no clue that the nice lady in his dreams was a demon. No clue at all.

[Rotward]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Rotward wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

Connor was the catalyst and he died for his stupidity.

I disagree. Isolde was the one who tried to hide his magic, starting this whole mess. And I don't blame the kid for wanting his dad back.

And Isolde hid his magic so that her son wouldn't be kidnapped by the chantry. Everyone's to blame! 

Not really. He didn't turn because he was scared to be taken away or something.

Huh? I just meant that Isolde didn't want her son taken away, so she hid his magic. 

[Hellion Rex]

dragonflight288 wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

He made a deal with a demon, an offense punishable by death as far as my Warden is concerned but he was glad to see Isolde finally do something useful.

You're talking about a four to six year old boy you know. You lay all the blame on a child. Not on the poisoner, not on the person who hired the poisoner, not on the person who hid him, not on incompetency, but on what is likely the most innocent person in the whole situation.

Well....I can safely say you won't be on my advisory board when I'm playing as my Inquisitor.

I agree with you...but I thought he was like 10 or so...a 4 to 6 year old couldn't manifest like he did that early.

[BlueMagitek]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Well....I can safely say you won't be on my advisory board when I'm playing as my Inquisitor.

I thought it would be obvious that the forumites wouldn't be displayed in game, so I'm afraid that you are most likely correct.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Rotward wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

Connor was the catalyst and he died for his stupidity.

I disagree. Isolde was the one who tried to hide his magic, starting this whole mess. And I don't blame the kid for wanting his dad back.

And Isolde hid his magic so that her son wouldn't be kidnapped by the chantry. Everyone's to blame! 

Not really. He didn't turn because he was scared to be taken away or something.

The point Rotward is making, I think, is that Isolde didn't want her son to be taken from her, and found it humiliating due to her faith. (Yet more proof that the Chantry doesn't treat mages well in its sermons. I think it was Lotion debating this point?) So, the Chantry is responsible on both counts.

Now, you can argue that it's Isolde, not the Chantry, that's in the wrong on the former count. On the other hand, if as the evidence suggests the Chantry really does inflame hatred of mages, that's a little less excusable.

[dragonflight288]

eluvianix wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

He made a deal with a demon, an offense punishable by death as far as my Warden is concerned but he was glad to see Isolde finally do something useful.

You're talking about a four to six year old boy you know. You lay all the blame on a child. Not on the poisoner, not on the person who hired the poisoner, not on the person who hid him, not on incompetency, but on what is likely the most innocent person in the whole situation.

Well....I can safely say you won't be on my advisory board when I'm playing as my Inquisitor.

I agree with you...but I thought he was like 10 or so...a 4 to 6 year old couldn't manifest like he did that early.

Emille de Lancet was in the Circle since he was six, so it's possible. Now that I think on it, somewhere between 6 and 10 is more accurate, since Connor hasn't had much time for training. Only a few weeks tops.

[General TSAR]

dragonflight288 wrote...

You're talking about a four to six year old boy you know.

My warden treats all humans the same in regards to dealings with Demons.

You lay all the blame on a child. Not on the poisoner, not on the person who hired the poisoner, not on the person who hid him, not on incompetency, but on what is likely the most innocent person in the whole situation.

I blame the catalyst for the deaths.

Well....I can safely say you won't be on my advisory board when I'm playing as my Inquisitor.

I am beside myself with grief. <_<

eluvianix wrote...

I'm not saying he's blameless, but I place higher blame on Isolde for starting this gigantic mess.

Good for you.

Connor unleashed the zombies and he sealed his fate.

Modifié par General TSAR, 14 janvier 2014 - 10:26 .

[dragonflight288]

I am beside myself with grief. 

I know, it's such a shame. Brings a tear to the eye and everything.

[Hellion Rex]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Rotward wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

Connor was the catalyst and he died for his stupidity.

I disagree. Isolde was the one who tried to hide his magic, starting this whole mess. And I don't blame the kid for wanting his dad back.

And Isolde hid his magic so that her son wouldn't be kidnapped by the chantry. Everyone's to blame! 

Not really. He didn't turn because he was scared to be taken away or something.

The point Rotward is making, I think, is that Isolde didn't want her son to be taken from her, and found it humiliating due to her faith. (Yet more proof that the Chantry doesn't treat mages well in its sermons. I think it was Lotion debating this point?) So, the Chantry is responsible on both counts.

Now, you can argue that it's Isolde, not the Chantry, that's in the wrong on the former count. On the other hand, if as the evidence suggests the Chantry really does inflame hatred of mages, that's a little less excusable.

I don't remember her faith with the Chantry having anything to do with this situation at all.

[Hellion Rex]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Rotward wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

Connor was the catalyst and he died for his stupidity.

I disagree. Isolde was the one who tried to hide his magic, starting this whole mess. And I don't blame the kid for wanting his dad back.

And Isolde hid his magic so that her son wouldn't be kidnapped by the chantry. Everyone's to blame! 

Not really. He didn't turn because he was scared to be taken away or something.

He only wanted to help his father, and had no clue that the nice lady in his dreams was a demon. No clue at all.

I am sure that is very comforting to the citizens of the neighboring village.

So killing the kid brings those people back?

[BlueMagitek]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

The point Rotward is making, I think, is that Isolde didn't want her son to be taken from her, and found it humiliating due to her faith. (Yet more proof that the Chantry doesn't treat mages well in its sermons. I think it was Lotion debating this point?) So, the Chantry is responsible on both counts.

Now, you can argue that it's Isolde, not the Chantry, that's in the wrong on the former count. On the other hand, if as the evidence suggests the Chantry really does inflame hatred of mages, that's a little less excusable.

I thought it was because her family had a mage that they hid from the Chantry in it, who was a rotten ol' coot?  She says something about her grandfather... uncle's? staff when she hands it over as a reward.

[General TSAR]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

I am sure that is very comforting to the citizens of the neighboring village.

What he said.

Honorable reasons is not going to bring back the hundreds of people his army slaughtered. 

eluvianix wrote...
So killing the kid brings those people back?

Removing a threat and punishment. 

Modifié par General TSAR, 14 janvier 2014 - 10:28 .

[Hellion Rex]

General TSAR wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

I am sure that is very comforting to the citizens of the neighboring village.

What he said.

Honorable reasons is not going to bring back the hundreds of people his army slaughtered. 

Neither is killing a kid who just wanted to help his dad.

Modifié par eluvianix, 14 janvier 2014 - 10:28 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

eluvianix wrote...

I don't remember her faith with the Chantry having anything to do with this situation at all.

"She is also... a very pious woman. For her son to have magic was... humiliating." -Jowan

BlueMagitek wrote...

I thought it was because her family had a mage that they hid from the Chantry in it, who was a rotten ol' coot?  She says something about her grandfather... uncle's? staff when she hands it over as a reward.

I don't remember that line, but I remember hearing about it. It's also a possible factor.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 14 janvier 2014 - 10:29 .

[thetinyevil]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

thetinyevil wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Keep everything as it is, and tell any mage that is upset with their position the tale of Redcliffe.

Yeah because Logain had nothing to do with that or the Chantry? It was all the fault of one scared child. No one else had a hand in that.

And if he wasn't sick as a result of foul play? If he was just deathly ill? The child would've done the same thing, and the village would've still been ravaged.

More then likely not. Since his mother would have found a mage who could actually teach to teach him. But becuase Jawen was locked up for what he did there was no one to watch Connor so on one to help or teach him. And if it wasn't for the hate that the Chantry spreds everywhere about mages his mother might not have minded Connor going to the circle. Which IMO is a death sentence. Anyway as I was saying it wouldn't have happened if the Arl had just fallen ill.

[General TSAR]

eluvianix wrote...

Neither is killing a kid who just wanted to help his dad.

Punishment and removing a threat. 

[Pasquale1234]

BlueMagitek wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
I disagree. Isolde was the one who tried to hide his magic, starting this whole mess. And I don't blame the kid for wanting his dad back.

You can blame him for slaughtering his people, mutilating his servants and making the village into undead monsters though.

His biggest crime was this abomination.

[dragonflight288]

General TSAR wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Neither is killing a kid who just wanted to help his dad.

Punishment and removing a threat. 

*backs slowly away from the extremist*

[General TSAR]

thetinyevil wrote...
And if it wasn't for the hate that the Chantry spreds everywhere about mages his mother might not have minded Connor going to the circle. Which IMO is a death sentence. 

Well guess what Champ? Connor helped validate the Chantry's concern about Mages.