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[thetinyevil]

Veruin wrote...

thetinyevil wrote...

Finally someone sees! No jackass. Most o it is the Chantry's fault if they didn't do what they have done for the last thousand years then there wouldn't be near as many problems as there are now. Everything isn't the Chantry's fault but the majority of it is.

Wah, wah, wah, wah.  Got any evidence for this other than your blatant bias, *****?  (Female mutt)  If you want to throw mud, we can do so.

Read some of the stuff you pick up around the Circle in orgin. Read Asunder. Everything in DA2 ****-sucker

[AresKeith]

thetinyevil wrote...

But they did push the mages into corners with threats of death, tranquility and assult. Leaving them only one option to defeand themselves from the tempalrs. Most mages don't want to deal with demons but hey if they are the only ones who is going to listen to you after you are left bleeding on the ground by the people who are supposed to protect you, what are you going to do. Go the the priest who will tell you that what happened is your fault and should pray to the maker to forgive you for making the good templar sin or are you going to listen to the voice who tells you it's not your fault and they can help you. This voice most likely the only thing that has ever really given you any kind of comfort.

No your right it is all the mages fault not the templars or the preists or anything else! How could I be  so blind! It is all the mages they are evil and sin just like the Chantry says!! How oh how could I be blind!! It is all their fault!!

You literally missed his point

[TheKomandorShepard]

Oh mages aren't responsible?...
lets see
who caused blight? mages why because they were power hungry result they are responsible for massive destruction of thedas and suffering of milions...

Who created tevinter empire mages why because they thought are better result almost entire world suffered even worse world than it was now.

Who is responsible for falling to abomnation if not mage why many reasons from power hunger to moment of
weakness result well usually a lot destruction and danger for entire world... (baroness , uldred ,connor
hundreds in kirkwall and thousands before)

Who created werewolves mage why because zathrian was angry poor zathrian lest kill everybody in the world because his childrens were killed result  hundreds terrible fate for peoples who were infected and did nothing and killed by werewolves...

And now if we remove magic from thedas there will be only conflicts between nations and racial problems sounds like a lot better world... still far from perfect but better.

[thetinyevil]

Veruin wrote...

thetinyevil wrote...
No your right it is all the mages fault not the templars or the preists or anything else! How could I be  so blind! It is all the mages they are evil and sin just like the Chantry says!! How oh how could I be blind!! It is all their fault!!

*facepalm*  This is why no one gives a damn what you say.  You are unable to deal in ANYTHING other than absolutes.

Well if pro-templar stop stating that everything falls squarlly on the mages shoulders and assigns no blame what so ever to the templars is just as bad. You all believe an complete absolutes too.

I will admit that some of the mages are to blame but mostly I blame the templars and chantry while pro-templars refuse to blame the templars at all. Making templars like Karras and Alrik saints. 

[cjones91]

Werewolves existed because of Fade Spirits possessing beasts not because of magic.Also there's no proof thate the mages caused the Blight aside from what Corypheus claimed that the Golden City was black.

This is why I don't like condemning a entire group of people for the actions of a few.

[Veruin]

thetinyevil wrote...
I will admit that some of the mages are to blame but mostly I blame the templars and chantry while pro-templars refuse to blame the templars at all. Making templars like Karras and Alrik saints.

You know what?  Screw the mod warning.  You're a dumb**** if you think ANY of the serious pro templars support Karras/Alrik.  You don't bother to educate yourself on this do you?  You just waltz in, then proceed to **** and moan, then once counter evidence is provided, it's invalid according to you.   This is where that absolutes thing comes in.  That is all your a capable of and it's better if we throw you into the biased pile and leave you to wallow in your idiocy.

Modifié par Veruin, 15 janvier 2014 - 01:14 .

[thetinyevil]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

thetinyevil wrote...

But they did push the mages into corners with threats of death, tranquility and assult. Leaving them only one option to defeand themselves from the tempalrs. Most mages don't want to deal with demons but hey if they are the only ones who is going to listen to you after you are left bleeding on the ground by the people who are supposed to protect you, what are you going to do. Go the the priest who will tell you that what happened is your fault and should pray to the maker to forgive you for making the good templar sin or are you going to listen to the voice who tells you it's not your fault and they can help you. This voice most likely the only thing that has ever really given you any kind of comfort.

No your right it is all the mages fault not the templars or the preists or anything else! How could I be  so blind! It is all the mages they are evil and sin just like the Chantry says!! How oh how could I be blind!! It is all their fault!!

I've already mentioned a few mages that don't turn to demons who haven't been cut down by the Templars.

But, you know, they're brainwashed.

You mentioned Bethany and Wynne. Bethany who hates herself for being a mage and Wynne who has been completely brainwashed by the Chantry. You could have mentioned Rys but you didn't. 

[thetinyevil]

Veruin wrote...

thetinyevil wrote...
I will admit that some of the mages are to blame but mostly I blame the templars and chantry while pro-templars refuse to blame the templars at all. Making templars like Karras and Alrik saints.

You know what?  Screw the mod warning.  You're a dumb**** if you think ANY of the serious pro templars support Karras/Alrik.  You don't bother to educate yourself on this do you?  You just waltz in, then proceed to **** and moan, then once counter evidence is provided, it's invalid according to you.   This is where that absolutes thing comes in.  That is all your a capable of and it's better if we throw you into the biased pile and leave you to wallow in your idiocy.

I haven't seen any pro-templars condem Karras or Alrik for the **** they did. In fact I remember reading some who agreed with Alirk. Beside if pro-mages support bloodmages then pro-templars support rapist.

[Pasquale1234]

AresKeith wrote...
Obviously a lie by the Templars or brainwashing 

It may be tempting for some people to think so, but her mentioning Ser Alrik makes it appear to have been uncensored.

I think Carver's letter is also pretty interesting:

Dear Hawke,

How are you? I hope you and Mother are doing well. Things are good here. I've found my place among the templars. It's nice to have purpose, to be part of something bigger than myself... and you! All right, all right, I'll stop being a pain in the ass.

It's not a perfect job, though. I don't really like what we do to mages, but do we have a choice? It keeps everyone safe, and it's better than the alternative. Many mages understand that we're trying to help, even if our methods could use improvement.

Unfortunately, there are extreme elements within the Order. Some argue for a permanent solution and have ideas I hope never take root. Makes me glad Bethany never had to live in a place like this.

I'll wrap this up. Duty calls. Send my love to Mother.

Your brother,
Carver

[AresKeith]

thetinyevil wrote...

You mentioned Bethany and Wynne. Bethany who hates herself for being a mage and Wynne who has been completely brainwashed by the Chantry. You could have mentioned Rys but you didn't. 

So Wynne is brainwashed because she sees the reason behind the Circle

Honestly there's no reason for anyone to continue with you because you refuse to read what people post

[Icy Magebane]

I think that getting on a bunch of ships and trying to find a new continent is the best solution. The Isolationists are right, there's no point in trying to reason with mundanes. Now that they're free of the Circles, this is the best opportunity to just leave Thedas entirely and try to start over. It's a long shot, but staying put doesn't sound like it'll work.

[KainD]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

And now if we remove magic from thedas there will be only conflicts between nations and racial problems sounds like a lot better world... still far from perfect but better.

And then we remove all the nations except for one - no more nation conflicts. 
And then we remove all the races except for one - no more race conflicts. 
Still far from perfect but a better world. This road leads to perfection. 

[Veruin]

thetinyevil wrote...
I haven't seen any pro-templars condem Karras or Alrik for the **** they did. In fact I remember reading some who agreed with Alirk. Beside if pro-mages support bloodmages then pro-templars support rapist.

You don't have to publicly condemn something to disapprove of it.   It probably didn't occur to you that said posters are trolls/sarcastic jokes.  But, I wouldn't expect you to understand.

[AresKeith]

Pasquale1234 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...
Obviously a lie by the Templars or brainwashing 

It may be tempting for some people to think so, but her mentioning Ser Alrik makes it appear to have been uncensored.

I think Carver's letter is also pretty interesting:

I've seen his letter too

Honestly, their letters pretty much convinced me to become pro-Circle and pro-reformed Circle

[thetinyevil]

AresKeith wrote...

thetinyevil wrote...

You mentioned Bethany and Wynne. Bethany who hates herself for being a mage and Wynne who has been completely brainwashed by the Chantry. You could have mentioned Rys but you didn't. 

So Wynne is brainwashed because she sees the reason behind the Circle

Honestly there's no reason for anyone to continue with you because you refuse to read what people post

Her child was taken from her before she even got to see him and yet she supports the system that took her child. The same system that wouldn't have told her a thing about her child if she hadn't been such a suck up. She is brainwashed bacause she doesn't want any change what so ever in the circle. Well that's what I got from her character. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

cjones91 wrote...

Werewolves existed because of Fade Spirits possessing beasts not because of magic.Also there's no proof thate the mages caused the Blight aside from what Corypheus claimed that the Golden City was black.

This is why I don't like condemning a entire group of people for the actions of a few.

Who was summoned by zathrian and created curse it was obvious that curse was his as only he could stop that... (poor excuse). 

Game even don't hide that mages caused blight from chantry whining to guy who was responsible so no matter whether it was maker wrath (however in this case maker is di*** and mostly responsible for that) or just wandered where they shouldn't ultimately they brought taint and well that cory was darkspawn is rather good prove.

Actions of few?Magi tower in ferelden most of the tower were abomnations (rather more than few), in kirkwall almost all mages caused destruction (as well more than few).Is tevinter mages are few in numbers?Are blood mages causing harm are few in numbers?Are abomnations that we cut off and seen are few in numbers? Answer is no it isn't blaming entire race for actions of few it is blaming entire race for actions of majority pretty much calling drow race bad guys is rather appropriate when they CA is almost always evil so well...

KainD wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

And
now if we remove magic from thedas there will be only conflicts between
nations and racial problems sounds like a lot better world... still far
from perfect but better.

And then we remove all the nations except for one - no more nation conflicts. 
And then we remove all the races except for one - no more race conflicts. 
Still far from perfect but a better world. This road leads to perfection. 

Nations bring order (well at least most of them) and provide something that same humans when they are dangerous for each other they aren't for entire world both provides more than take magic is chaotic and dangerous causing a far more damagae and suffering to everyone (it even harms user for entire life) than it provides benefits. So technology provides way much more benefits and potential than magic and well can be controled and is safer because of that.Random person just won't snap out in any moment and don't start destrucion of entire world so...

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 15 janvier 2014 - 01:31 .

[AresKeith]

thetinyevil wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

thetinyevil wrote...

You mentioned Bethany and Wynne. Bethany who hates herself for being a mage and Wynne who has been completely brainwashed by the Chantry. You could have mentioned Rys but you didn't. 

So Wynne is brainwashed because she sees the reason behind the Circle

Honestly there's no reason for anyone to continue with you because you refuse to read what people post

Her child was taken from her before she even got to see him and yet she supports the system that took her child. The same system that wouldn't have told her a thing about her child if she hadn't been such a suck up. She is brainwashed bacause she doesn't want any change what so ever in the circle. Well that's what I got from her character. 

Actually she does wants some things to change in the Circle, she may not have liked having her child taken away but I'm pretty sure over time she realized that raising a child in the Circle isn't a wise choice 

So no that doesn't make her brainwashed just because she doesn't share YOURS AND A FEW OTHER PRO-MAGES viewpoint

Modifié par AresKeith, 15 janvier 2014 - 01:28 .

[Pasquale1234]

AresKeith wrote...

Pasquale1234 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...
Obviously a lie by the Templars or brainwashing 

It may be tempting for some people to think so, but her mentioning Ser Alrik makes it appear to have been uncensored.

I think Carver's letter is also pretty interesting:

I've seen his letter too

Honestly, their letters pretty much convinced me to become pro-Circle and pro-reformed Circle

For me, it was - a bit more than that - but ultimately, I'm pro long term workable solution, and I think it needs to
start with a reformed Circle.

The Circles are needed, but they (and really, society as a whole) need to be reformed so that the mages can grow up with a stronger emotional foundation that will help them to resist demons or any other urge for power and control over others.  There would be far fewer apostates to chase down if the Circle is reformed to be more attractive to mages and their families.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Veruin wrote...

thetinyevil wrote...
I haven't seen any pro-templars condem Karras or Alrik for the **** they did. In fact I remember reading some who agreed with Alirk. Beside if pro-mages support bloodmages then pro-templars support rapist.

You don't have to publicly condemn something to disapprove of it.   It probably didn't occur to you that said posters are trolls/sarcastic jokes.  But, I wouldn't expect you to understand.

Oh you BSN younglings and your bickering. 

Just you wait.. This EXACT same discussion will continue for years, if you both remain active memebrs of the forum. Trust me. You can ask any of the other old timers here, and see how many of these topics are just repetition.

The best you can do is just ignore those who are beyond the reach of reason. That's how I remained semi-sane through the years.

[AresKeith]

Pasquale1234 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Pasquale1234 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...
Obviously a lie by the Templars or brainwashing 

It may be tempting for some people to think so, but her mentioning Ser Alrik makes it appear to have been uncensored.

I think Carver's letter is also pretty interesting:

I've seen his letter too

Honestly, their letters pretty much convinced me to become pro-Circle and pro-reformed Circle

For me, it was - a bit more than that - but ultimately, I'm pro long term workable solution, and I think it needs to
start with a reformed Circle.

The Circles are needed, but they (and really, society as a whole) need to be reformed so that the mages can grow up with a stronger emotional foundation that will help them to resist demons or any other urge for power and control over others.  There would be far fewer apostates to chase down if the Circle is reformed to be more attractive to mages and their families.

I agree, but I still feel that should still stay in Circle for the long term. It'll be less strict but they'll still need a Templar escort

[cjones91]

@Kommandor

Read the Codex entry for the Werewolves,they were first created because spirits of the Fade had possessed animals and transformed them.In fact they have existed before Fereldan so no Zatharian did'nt create them.

And what you are doing is blaming the actions of a few mages on the entire group when the Kirkwall Circle was a ticking timebomb that was destined to go off because of where it was located,and the events of the Fereldan Circle was caused by one group of mages.

It's not fair to tar the entire mage population with the same brush nor is fair to do the same for the templars.

[Pasquale1234]

KainD wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

And now if we remove magic from thedas there will be only conflicts between nations and racial problems sounds like a lot better world... still far from perfect but better.

And then we remove all the nations except for one - no more nation conflicts. 
And then we remove all the races except for one - no more race conflicts.
Still far from perfect but a better world. This road leads to perfection. 

Only baby steps, because the single nation composed of a single race would still have far too many people thinking different thoughts and wanting different things.  Lobotomies are, therefore, essential.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

cjones91 wrote...

@Kommandor

Read the Codex entry for the Werewolves,they were first created because spirits of the Fade had possessed animals and transformed them.In fact they have existed before Fereldan so no Zatharian did'nt create them.

And what you are doing is blaming the actions of a few mages on the entire group when the Kirkwall Circle was a ticking timebomb that was destined to go off because of where it was located,and the events of the Fereldan Circle was caused by one group of mages.

It's not fair to tar the entire mage population with the same brush nor is fair to do the same for the templars.

As a friendly gesture, let me tell you that you are wasting your time trying to change Komandor's ways. To quote Javik, "Many tried. None succeeded."

[Hellion Rex]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Veruin wrote...

thetinyevil wrote...
I haven't seen any pro-templars condem Karras or Alrik for the **** they did. In fact I remember reading some who agreed with Alirk. Beside if pro-mages support bloodmages then pro-templars support rapist.

You don't have to publicly condemn something to disapprove of it.   It probably didn't occur to you that said posters are trolls/sarcastic jokes.  But, I wouldn't expect you to understand.

Oh you BSN younglings and your bickering. 

Just you wait.. This EXACT same discussion will continue for years, if you both remain active memebrs of the forum. Trust me. You can ask any of the other old timers here, and see how many of these topics are just repetition.

The best you can do is just ignore those who are beyond the reach of reason. That's how I remained semi-sane through the years.

And what else could we do to occupy our time, silly?