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[Vilegrim]

Burn the Chantry, kill all the Templars, hunt any survivors for sport. Problem solved.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

And your solution to the abomination problem?

[MisterJB]

Wothen wrote...

Answering the thread main question after roughly 60 pages =P
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It will probably be something close to this. The mages will return to the Circles but with a diminished Templar presence. And neither side on the BSN will be happy with the arrangement.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

MisterJB wrote...

Wothen wrote...

Answering the thread main question after roughly 60 pages =P
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It will probably be something close to this. The mages will return to the Circles but with a diminished Templar presence. And neither side on the BSN will be happy with the arrangement.

And supposing all I want is for any abominations to form someplace that can handle them, with the world not being a magister factory coming in a close second?

Also, it wouldn't surprise me if we have several options, with this being only one of them.

[Pasquale1234]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Wothen wrote...

Answering the thread main question after roughly 60 pages =P
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It will probably be something close to this. The mages will return to the Circles but with a diminished Templar presence. And neither side on the BSN will be happy with the arrangement.

And supposing all I want is for any abominations to form someplace that can handle them, with the world not being a magister factory coming in a close second?

Also, it wouldn't surprise me if we have several options, with this being only one of them.

I would expect any differences in options to be fairly subtle, at least in terms of the potential outcomes (world state)
of the options on offer.  They have a stated commitment to maintaining player's world state between games, and widely varying options could create widely varying world states, making future games much more complex.

[EmperorSahlertz]

eluvianix wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

EDIT: Eluvianix already responded for me. 

Emperor, did you only read the first part of my post, but glossed over the rest? You and I essentially said the same thing. 

Our emphazis was on two different aspects of it. You said the power is in the blood itself, I think the power is in the violence.

For instance I don't think there is any power in menstrual blood or a common nosebleed as a result of a sneeze.

I disagree on the bolded. I think there is power in any living blood, but you obviously get a hell of a lot more power out blood shed through pain, suffering, and death.

We will have to settle our differences like gentlemen. Rapiers at dawn?

[Wothen]

MisterJB wrote...

Wothen wrote...

Answering the thread main question after roughly 60 pages =P
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It will probably be something close to this. The mages will return to the Circles but with a diminished Templar presence. And neither side on the BSN will be happy with the arrangement.

It is really a simple matter
Mages will never cease to exist, you could do a witch hunt that would last forever and they would still exist, most going rogue due to persecution and killing people

So they need a prison that dont feel like a prison, more like a norwegian prison =P

Templars are a terrible execution of an idea imho, they should just be completely reformed

Not that im pro-mage, I plan to purge both sides equally on DA:I 

Modifié par Wothen, 16 janvier 2014 - 06:14 .

[Wothen]

double post

Modifié par Wothen, 16 janvier 2014 - 06:14 .

[Hellion Rex]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

EDIT: Eluvianix already responded for me. 

Emperor, did you only read the first part of my post, but glossed over the rest? You and I essentially said the same thing. 

Our emphazis was on two different aspects of it. You said the power is in the blood itself, I think the power is in the violence.

For instance I don't think there is any power in menstrual blood or a common nosebleed as a result of a sneeze.

I disagree on the bolded. I think there is power in any living blood, but you obviously get a hell of a lot more power out blood shed through pain, suffering, and death.

We will have to settle our differences like gentlemen. Rapiers at dawn?

En garde, sir.

[EmperorSahlertz]

eluvianix wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

EDIT: Eluvianix already responded for me. 

Emperor, did you only read the first part of my post, but glossed over the rest? You and I essentially said the same thing. 

Our emphazis was on two different aspects of it. You said the power is in the blood itself, I think the power is in the violence.

For instance I don't think there is any power in menstrual blood or a common nosebleed as a result of a sneeze.

I disagree on the bolded. I think there is power in any living blood, but you obviously get a hell of a lot more power out blood shed through pain, suffering, and death.

We will have to settle our differences like gentlemen. Rapiers at dawn?

En garde, sir.

You stand no chance sir. Have at thee!

[Hellion Rex]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

EDIT: Eluvianix already responded for me. 

Emperor, did you only read the first part of my post, but glossed over the rest? You and I essentially said the same thing. 

Our emphazis was on two different aspects of it. You said the power is in the blood itself, I think the power is in the violence.

For instance I don't think there is any power in menstrual blood or a common nosebleed as a result of a sneeze.

I disagree on the bolded. I think there is power in any living blood, but you obviously get a hell of a lot more power out blood shed through pain, suffering, and death.

We will have to settle our differences like gentlemen. Rapiers at dawn?

En garde, sir.

You stand no chance sir. Have at thee!

Bring it.

[EmperorSahlertz]

 
Aha! Villainous brigand!

[Lord Raijin]

Vilegrim wrote...

Burn the Chantry, kill all the Templars, hunt any survivors for sport. Problem solved.

I agree.

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

And your solution to the abomination problem?

Abominations are rare according to the lore and my solution to the abomination problem is to have the city guards deal with them. By city guards, of course, are people who are BOTH mundanes and mages. With the Chantry out of the picture and mages finally free to live their lives the way they want it, they could become citizens again to their proper country. Some mages will use their makers given gift to serve man by being a guard.

[LobselVith8]

Ukki wrote...

^ I was under the impression that this information was added later on to the codex to make blood magic more 'evil'. Not cool if it is true.

Considering we still have examples where blood magic is used in a way that isn't malevolent, I still don't see it as evil. I'm hoping the protagonist is open to expressing an opinion on it in Inquisition.

I'm curious how the mages and templars are going to be handled. Will there be multiple factions with varying points of view, or two main groups opposed to each other? How will the templars respond to a Tal-Vashoth apostate, former Circle mage, or Dalish maleficar heading the Inquisition?

[EmperorSahlertz]

Lord Raijin wrote...

Vilegrim wrote...

Burn the Chantry, kill all the Templars, hunt any survivors for sport. Problem solved.

I agree.

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

And your solution to the abomination problem?

Abominations are rare according to the lore and my solution to the abomination problem is to have the city guards deal with them. By city guards, of course, are people who are BOTH mundanes and mages. With the Chantry out of the picture and mages finally free to live their lives the way they want it, they could become citizens again to their proper country. Some mages will use their makers given gift to serve man by being a guard.

And why do you think Abominations are rare? Can it possible be because magic is highly regulated and restricted? Can it possible be because the Circle offers better mage education than anything seen since the Tevinter? Do you honestly think that the rarity of Abominations will remain with to dissolution of the Circles?

[Wothen]

Lord Raijin wrote...

Vilegrim wrote...

Burn the Chantry, kill all the Templars, hunt any survivors for sport. Problem solved.

I agree.

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

And your solution to the abomination problem?

Abominations are rare according to the lore and my solution to the abomination problem is to have the city guards deal with them. By city guards, of course, are people who are BOTH mundanes and mages. With the Chantry out of the picture and mages finally free to live their lives the way they want it, they could become citizens again to their proper country. Some mages will use their makers given gift to serve man by being a guard.

Such utopic view
The thing is mages are human
And as most humans mages are jealous and proud
Even if not all, some of them will want to have power, and mages can have quite the destructive power

What you get after that?
Tevinter 2

Modifié par Wothen, 16 janvier 2014 - 07:32 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

And why do you think Abominations are rare? Can it possible be because magic is highly regulated and restricted? Can it possible be because the Circle offers better mage education than anything seen since the Tevinter? Do you honestly think that the rarity of Abominations will remain with to dissolution of the Circles?

If the Circles were the only reason abominations were rare, humankind wouldn't have lasted long enough for the Circles to be founded. But I think they're at least helpful. (Though I'll concede the latter point is open to debate.)

[EmperorSahlertz]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

And why do you think Abominations are rare? Can it possible be because magic is highly regulated and restricted? Can it possible be because the Circle offers better mage education than anything seen since the Tevinter? Do you honestly think that the rarity of Abominations will remain with to dissolution of the Circles?

If the Circles were the only reason abominations were rare, humankind wouldn't have lasted long enough for the Circles to be founded. But I think they're at least helpful. (Though I'll concede the latter point is open to debate.)

The degree of rarity is certainly maintained by the Circle. And perhaps early humans were indeed ruled by Abominations (I am talking prehistoric humans, which would mean before they landed on Thedas), which is entirely plausible given the power an Abomination wield. However, we have no idea when the magical talent manifested itself in humanity, so we cannot say for sure wether or not society had already been established before Abominations became a problem.
What we DO know, is that magic is highly regualted and controlled, and has been for almost all of recorded human history, which no doubts lends itself to the rarity of Abominations.

[Beerfish]

Lord Raijin wrote...

Vilegrim wrote...

Burn the Chantry, kill all the Templars, hunt any survivors for sport. Problem solved.

I agree.

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

And your solution to the abomination problem?

Abominations are rare according to the lore and my solution to the abomination problem is to have the city guards deal with them. By city guards, of course, are people who are BOTH mundanes and mages. With the Chantry out of the picture and mages finally free to live their lives the way they want it, they could become citizens again to their proper country. Some mages will use their makers given gift to serve man by being a guard.

1) Playing through DAo and DA@ tells you 100% sure without a doubt that abominations are not rare.
2) Mere city guards would get slaughterd by your average abomination.
3)  By the time the city guards  (those that don't run away in fright) get a chance to deal with an abomination whole villages or towns can be destoryed.

I have no problem with people being pro mage but I've yet to see a smart, credible, alternative to the templars put forth.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Abominations rare damn thats good but unreal every game and some da products proves it...

[Lord Raijin]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

Vilegrim wrote...

Burn the Chantry, kill all the Templars, hunt any survivors for sport. Problem solved.

I agree.

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

And your solution to the abomination problem?

Abominations are rare according to the lore and my solution to the abomination problem is to have the city guards deal with them. By city guards, of course, are people who are BOTH mundanes and mages. With the Chantry out of the picture and mages finally free to live their lives the way they want it, they could become citizens again to their proper country. Some mages will use their makers given gift to serve man by being a guard.

And why do you think Abominations are rare? Can it possible be because magic is highly regulated and restricted? Can it possible be because the Circle offers better mage education than anything seen since the Tevinter? Do you honestly think that the rarity of Abominations will remain with to dissolution of the Circles?

Is that why mages of the Circle manages to learn blood magic? Because magic is highly regulated and restricted? The Circle does provide education for ignorant mages, but it also creates a lot of resentments and hostility, since it is the Chantry that runs the show. The Chantry more likley forces mages to take drastic messaures out of pure desperation, and then uses it to justified their cause.

Judging by some of the Tevinter Imperium mages that we encountered seem by far more powerful than the average Circle mage. Danarius seems like a very powerful mage, if he indeed summoned all of those demons to guard his mansion from intruders. Not once did he get himself in trouble by becoming an abomination while he was summing them.  senior enchanter Uldred on the other hand... well you know how things went   Caladrius is a blood mage who never turned into an abomination whereas mages like Huon did.

The education that the Circle provides to mages are inferior comparing to the mages in Tevinter Imperium. Templars don't want getting too strong that they're unable to be defeated.

[EmperorSahlertz]

You of course realize that Danarius is also a member of the Circle, albeit the Tevinter incarnation of it, right?

[TheKomandorShepard]

I would say that it is because circles are too lax to deal with mages efficiently mages easily escape damn anders did that 7-8 times on other hand mages can't be controled neither qunari or non-mages managed do that , thats why we have deal with so many crap caused by mages it is prove that circles do bad job.

It is not that tevinter have smaller numbers of abomnations because i rly doubt that if blood magic attracts demon we just didn't saw tevinter.

[Wothen]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

I would say that it is because circles are too lax to deal with mages efficiently mages easily escape damn anders did that 7-8 times on other hand mages can't be controled neither qunari or non-mages managed do that , thats why we have deal with so many crap caused by mages it is prove that circles do bad job.

It is not that tevinter have smaller numbers of abomnations because i rly doubt that if blood magic attracts demon we just didn't saw tevinter.

My guess is that they got really good in killing abominations
Maybe they even got some kind of guards just to take care of abominations

With so many mages dealing with forbidden and blood magic there ought to be many abominations there

Modifié par Wothen, 16 janvier 2014 - 08:59 .

[Hellion Rex]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

You of course realize that Danarius is also a member of the Circle, albeit the Tevinter incarnation of it, right?

Well, I thought Circle members, other than a First Enchanter, could not hold a seat in the Magisterium?

Edit: Sh*t, never mind. Reverse that. Everyone other than the FE can hold a seat.

Modifié par eluvianix, 16 janvier 2014 - 09:06 .