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[TheKomandorShepard]

You had to solve puzzle and then attack demon then gril will escape and you will have kill demon in ture form.If you will attack her immediately demon will possess girl and you will have to kill her.Another outcomes are allow
possess girl or tell demon that you will think about helping her come back to her fahter and tell him that you didn't find her daughter and he will run there and he will be possessed by demon.

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 06 janvier 2014 - 07:40 .

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Ordinary Mages: The Circle
Potentially dangerous Mages: Tranquility
Blood Mages: Execution

Abuser Templars: Excommunication

Modifié par Kaiser Arian, 06 janvier 2014 - 07:40 .

[andy6915]

Veruin wrote...

andy69156915 wrote...
If she was going to lose all her power the longer she went without a host, why did she survive decades while keeping her power?

You should take into account that it's a magical room she's sealed in, designed to study demons.  Wouldn't be very effective if your demon lost power and you had to risk possession catching another one.  It's not just some random forest or cave.

So... What, did the room have a magic power to keep her constantly replenished by an infinite source of energy? Because if not possession, drawing energy from living things is the only way a demon could keep their form if you are right. So either you're wrong, or that room was far more amazing than it looked because it kept a demon filled with enough power to keep her going for decades.

[TK514]

The current system with more effective Seeker oversight.

[Hellion Rex]

TK514 wrote...

The current system with more effective Seeker oversight.

This but also allowing for more research into magical fields, hopefully allowing for the replacement of things like Tranquility or Annulment. There was no reason for Justinia to need to go behind the backs of everyone to research Tranquility. She shouldn't have had to.

[DRTJR]

Let the Mages handle it, or Tevinter 2.0

[eye basher]

Zombie_Alexis wrote...

I actually think the Dalish have it just about right. I think the only way to mitigate fear of others is to live with others. The people of Thedas fear Mages and Mages actually do need protection because of that fear. I think that a system based on Dalish beliefs, where the Mage is valued and part of the community, could be viable. The Circle would remain and still be used as a place of learning and controlling powers, but Mages could return home to their families, either daily or weekly, and can be integrated into society so that they are part of the community, rather than separate. The Templars would still be needed in every community to "police" when a Mage goes bad. Merrill says in DA2 that when a Keeper becomes possessed, and it does happen, the clan has to hunt down and kill them. This understanding, this "social contract", though brutal, still recognizes that when a Mage does good, it benefits them all.

So what happens between the time it takes the templars to get ready then to headout then find the nutjob what do you think the mage is going to be doing sitting in a corner.

[Last seeker]

For this question, I'm looking forward to hear what Flemeth and Morrigan would say and hopefully that it wouldn't end up like the stupid civil war in skyrim.

[Grieving Natashina]

DRTJR wrote...

Let the Mages handle it, or Tevinter 2.0

I'd rather not let the Tevinter handle this.  Nothing personal, but I don't want another world wide magocracy on our hands.  They are a little too...pragmatic for my taste.

This thread covers a lot of the ideas I agreed with in order for mages and templars to work together.

http://social.biowar...17725879-1.html

All sides, mage, templar and those stuck in between (hi!), will need to learn to work together.  It seems like this whole Mage-Templar War is pretty destructive at this point, and rather small in the grand scheme of things.

There is one thing we can all pretty much agree on: DAI is shaping up to be a great game.  I'm a little leery, but more than willing to give BioWare a shot. 

Modifié par Starsyn, 06 janvier 2014 - 09:46 .

[MichaelStuart]

I would destroy both organizations and then when the next group starts something, destroy them.

Rinse then repeat.

[myahele]

The circle of magi should be a k-12 boarding school for mages with templar (new recruits) there to keep the peace.

Graduation should consist of written and practical portions. If passed they'll go to their harrowing. There should probably be adjustments done to it like having an experienced enchanter come along and give a tour around the fade, etc.

Once harrowed they can continue their studies of advanced magic if they meet the prerequisites like college.

Once they complete their time at the circles the templars can be dispatched to various chantries and be the criminal mage police.

Depending on funding perhaps enchanters can be placed in various towns and act as teachers for the mages there.

[Giant ambush beetle]

I have no illusions, if you have mages and regular people like in Thedas a war of extermination is just a matter of time and inevitable. There is no common ground and no real solution so that all can live peacefully together. Thats wishful thinking.

Either the mages win, enslave and suppress all the surviving non-mage people and crate a chaotic incredibly corrupt society that will ultimately end in another even worse war - fade demons and abominations vs humans.- or the non-mages win, exile or kill every single mage and kill those born with magic abilities.

However, I can think of a solution that involves no killing nor suppression which miiiight work.

Let the mages get their freedom, no more circles, let them live normal, peaceful lives.

Dramatically increase the numbers of templars so they vastly outnumber mages. (Whats the percentage of children that are born with magic abilities in Thedas? 5%? Can't be that many. )
Build a templar garrison in every town, turn all the townsfolk and regular soldiers into minuteman templar reservists trained in revealing and combating dangerous and insurgent mages.

Set up a small but effective elite unit capable to deal with the most dangerous mages and abominations. Insurgent and blood mages - if not killed in combat- and those who surrender are sent to the elite units HQ for further ''investigations'' and to get a fair process.

An enormous and costly task for sure, but IMO that is the only way to make mages and regular people live together as peacefully as possible. As a bonus it would be hard to conquer a country where almost every person is either a combat ready templar, trained soldier or a mage.

Modifié par The Woldan , 06 janvier 2014 - 10:19 .

[Abraham_uk]

The Woldan wrote...

I have no illusions, if you have mages and regular people like in Thedas a war of extermination is just a matter of time and inevitable. There is no common ground and no real solution so that all can live peacefully together. Thats wishful thinking.

Either the mages win, enslave and suppress all the surviving non-mage people and crate a chaotic incredibly corrupt society that will ultimately end in another even worse war - fade demons and abominations vs humans.- or the non-mages win, exile or kill every single mage and kill those born with magic abilities.

However, I can think of a solution that involves no killing nor suppression which miiiight work.

Let the mages get their freedom, no more circles, let them live normal, peaceful lives.

Dramatically increase the numbers of templars so they vastly outnumber mages. (Whats the percentage of children that are born with magic abilities in Thedas? 5%? Can't be that many. )
Build a templar garrison in every town, turn all the townsfolk and regular soldiers into minuteman templar reservists trained in revealing and combating dangerous and insurgent mages.

Set up a small but effective elite unit capable to deal with the most dangerous mages and abominations. Insurgent and blood mages - if not killed in combat- and those who surrender are sent to the elite units HQ for further ''investigations'' and to get a fair process.

An enormous and costly task for sure, but IMO that is the only way to make mages and regular people live together as peacefully as possible. As a bonus it would be hard to conquer a country where almost every person is either a combat ready templar, trained soldier or a mage.

I like this solution.



I was wondering if there are any real world parallels to the Mage versus Templar conflict.
Obviously the real world situation won't be quite as extreme.

[Giant ambush beetle]

Also, if it would eventually come to a war regardless of the mages freedom the nation would be ready for it right away.

Its just a matter of money and logistics, how expensive it would be to increase the numbers of the templars, the training of the civilians + regular soldiers and to build all the necessary forts.
But would it be more expensive and devastating than a war? Doubt it.

Modifié par The Woldan , 06 janvier 2014 - 10:30 .

[Vizard355]

The Templars have become corrupt, and the Mages have been oppressed for too long. Mages should be free and deal with their own kind if they abuse their power or become abominations. The Templars should be dissolved.

[Angrywolves]

Kill the red templars.

Make the other templars return to the chantry supervision.

Kill all blood mages and abominations.

Allow other mages to leave Thedas for as yet unknown location.

Allow some mages to stay and join the army/military as part of a mage corp.

Leave hedge mages and others who live in the wilds who aren't causing trouble alone.

[TheKomandorShepard]

The Woldan wrote...

I have no illusions, if you have mages and regular people like in Thedas a war of extermination is just a matter of time and inevitable. There is no common ground and no real solution so that all can live peacefully together. Thats wishful thinking.

Either the mages win, enslave and suppress all the surviving non-mage people and crate a chaotic incredibly corrupt society that will ultimately end in another even worse war - fade demons and abominations vs humans.- or the non-mages win, exile or kill every single mage and kill those born with magic abilities.

However, I can think of a solution that involves no killing nor suppression which miiiight work.

Let the mages get their freedom, no more circles, let them live normal, peaceful lives.

Dramatically increase the numbers of templars so they vastly outnumber mages. (Whats the percentage of children that are born with magic abilities in Thedas? 5%? Can't be that many. )
Build a templar garrison in every town, turn all the townsfolk and regular soldiers into minuteman templar reservists trained in revealing and combating dangerous and insurgent mages.

Set up a small but effective elite unit capable to deal with the most dangerous mages and abominations. Insurgent and blood mages - if not killed in combat- and those who surrender are sent to the elite units HQ for further ''investigations'' and to get a fair process.

An enormous and costly task for sure, but IMO that is the only way to make mages and regular people live together as peacefully as possible. As a bonus it would be hard to conquer a country where almost every person is either a combat ready templar, trained soldier or a mage.

Do i even have to tell why this is terrible idea?

You want free mages good idea very good what will you do when abomnation will surprise you one moment and mage is abomnation and start create another abomnations and mind control others... they will quickly handle your elite if even only few abomnations will be created like they did in ferelden circle. 
Anyway templar traning require years and lyrium so i doubt that training everyone is good idea very expensive bad idea...
So it is not worth it even if that could work and it can have chance it is way too problematic and expensive just to please hated and destructive minority...

[wright1978]

Remove all chantry involvement in circles/Templars.
Circles become institutions of professional study from which mages eventually graduate and Templars act as regulatory police force with proper appeals process.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Wait for both sides to kill eachother, then swoop in and steal the credit as the hero who ended the war.

[Giant ambush beetle]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
So it is not worth it even if that could work and it can have chance it is way too problematic and expensive just to please hated and destructive minority...

There are many hated and potentially destructive minorities right here on earth (living in a first-world country already makes you belong to a hated minority), but you cannot simply kill them all or lock them up forever.

[Mr.House]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Wait for both sides to kill eachother, then swoop in and steal the credit as the hero who ended the war.

I like this.

[Ravensword]

Weed.

[Last seeker]

Mr.House wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Wait for both sides to kill eachother, then swoop in and steal the credit as the hero who ended the war.

I like this.

:DHahaha, well it does sound familiar somehow.

[andy6915]

Mr.House wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Wait for both sides to kill eachother, then swoop in and steal the credit as the hero who ended the war.

I like this.

Isn't that was Victus did as an example of him not playing by typical rules of war?

[TheKomandorShepard]

The Woldan wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
So it is not worth it even if that could work and it can have chance it is way too problematic and expensive just to please hated and destructive minority...

There are many hated and potentially destructive minorities right here on earth (living in a first-world country already makes you belong to a hated minority), but you cannot simply kill them all or lock them up forever.

potentially? no do i have to point what good for world mages did and what bad for world they did in every da game?And i will say already bad things crush this good very easily.As far remember no single individual can cause end of the world at every moment in our world. Mages are walking nuclear bombs.Why i can't do that to them peoples were killed smaller reason like cultural , religious or skin color difference...