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[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Qistina wrote...

I let the nature decide, i accept whatever the nature decide

Nature decides that Mages should be eaten by the Dinosaurs that are created in Qunari Labs.  

[Lotion Soronarr]

It never ceases to amaze me just how little some poeple know about the Circles - like for example, how they are run.
Some of the posters here are convinced templars are in chrage of the dayily running of the Circle, when in fact it's the enchanters to decide that, templars are handling security issues.

Secondly, a lot of the ideas here are not plans, but goals. Stating what you want to achieve, but not how, is kinda useless.
It's like me saying "The way to free Amurica from an energy crysis is to build a Dyson Sphere"... and completely ignoring who will build it, how, when, where and even if such a plan would ever be accepted by anyone in the government or the populace..

"We'll'' teach people/mages/templars to love mages/be good/not fear magic".. K.. HOW?
Teaching our children a strong moral fiber is what humantiy was attempting forever, and our sucess rate is still rather questionable.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Teaching our children a strong moral fiber is what humantiy was attempting forever, and our sucess rate is still rather questionable.

The success rate of moral education has been between 20% to 60% (in different ages and places) and that is insufficient.

[andy6915]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

It never ceases to amaze me just how little some poeple know about the Circles - like for example, how they are run.
Some of the posters here are convinced templars are in chrage of the dayily running of the Circle, when in fact it's the enchanters to decide that, templars are handling security issues.

Secondly, a lot of the ideas here are not plans, but goals. Stating what you want to achieve, but not how, is kinda useless.
It's like me saying "The way to free Amurica from an energy crysis is to build a Dyson Sphere"... and completely ignoring who will build it, how, when, where and even if such a plan would ever be accepted by anyone in the government or the populace..

"We'll'' teach people/mages/templars to love mages/be good/not fear magic".. K.. HOW?
Teaching our children a strong moral fiber is what humantiy was attempting forever, and our sucess rate is still rather questionable.

And once again you just shoot everyone else down while not actually contributing any of your own ideas. Once again just going "you're all wrong" and that being all you have to say. If you're so much smarter than everyone else, then by all means share your brilliant ideas that we're all too stupid to think of. Or are you afraid that you won't look as genius after you do when your idea ends up no better than the ones you complain about, and you don't want to hurt your ego? And it's more than just my plans you're crapping on now, it's everyones ideas now that you're doing it to. Share your ideas, or I'm going to start thinking you're one of those people that think they're the smartest person in the room and attempt to prove it by trying to make everyone else look bad.

[Jaison1986]

@lotion plan would obviously be to go back to the old system. It wouldn't matter if mages got abused or oppressed again, because it's just "some" of them, and as such it's totally justified. To him, as long as an minority is the one suffering and not the majority, all is good. In the end he is just terrified that other systems can actually work and his templars are proven to be not so useful anymore.

[Lotion Soronarr]

andy69156915 wrote...
And once again you just shoot everyone else down while not actually contributing any of your own ideas.

Criticism is a contribution.

Once again just going "you're all wrong" and that being all you have to say. If you're so much smarter than everyone else, then by all means share your brilliant ideas that we're all too stupid to think of. Or are you afraid that you won't look as genius after you do when your idea ends up no better than the ones you complain about, and you don't want to hurt your ego? And it's more than just my plans you're crapping on now, it's everyones ideas now that you're doing it to. Share your ideas, or I'm going to start thinking you're one of those people that think they're the smartest person in the room and attempt to prove it by trying to make everyone else look bad.

I'm "crapping" on those theories who match the criteria in my posts. That isn't everyone.

And no, aside from increased oversight over the templars and re-evaluation of the current rules and prohibition, I have no grand ideas.

I'm not about to post ideas that are half-baked or unworkable, or plans that will only work in my personal fantasy land.
I don't have to do better than you. I'm content with not doing worse.

[andy6915]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Criticism is a contribution.

Criticism without betters ideas or methods isn't constructive criticism, which means is actually is not a contribution and is just worthless. At least you was honest though, you really are here just to be negative to everyone else that actually bothers to have ideas of their own... So I know I'm not missing anything from ignoring your posts from here on.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Jaison1986 wrote...

@lotion plan would obviously be to go back to the old system. It wouldn't matter if mages got abused or oppressed again, because it's just "some" of them, and as such it's totally justified. To him, as long as an minority is the one suffering and not the majority, all is good. In the end he is just terrified that other systems can actually work and his templars are proven to be not so useful anymore.

to you, it doesn't matter if thousand of peopel die, as long as mages are free.
A hunders Redcliffs is a small price to pay. Heck, even the end of the world is irrelevant.

Also, you like to molest little children. Because that 's what you obviously said between the lines.
See?  I can use strawmen and redicolous assertions too.

[Jaison1986]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Jaison1986 wrote...

@lotion plan would obviously be to go back to the old system. It wouldn't matter if mages got abused or oppressed again, because it's just "some" of them, and as such it's totally justified. To him, as long as an minority is the one suffering and not the majority, all is good. In the end he is just terrified that other systems can actually work and his templars are proven to be not so useful anymore.

to you, it doesn't matter if thousand of peopel die, as long as mages are free.
A hunders Redcliffs is a small price to pay. Heck, even the end of the world is irrelevant.

Also, you like to molest little children. Because that 's what you obviously said between the lines.
See?  I can use strawmen and redicolous assertions too.

Oh noes, my secret is out! What do I do?

And no, a thousand people don't need to die as long as the chantry and the templars get off their high horse. I never advocated for the death of mundanes. You have this childish reasoning that mages who have more freedoms instantly go on a killing spree, and yet places like Rivain totally prove you wrong.

[Jackums]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

It never ceases to amaze me just how little some poeple know about the Circles - like for example, how they are run.
Some of the posters here are convinced templars are in chrage of the dayily running of the Circle, when in fact it's the enchanters to decide that, templars are handling security issues.

It's a little naive to believe this is how things actually work as opposed to how they're meant to.

[Lotion Soronarr]

andy69156915 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Criticism is a contribution.

Criticism without betters ideas or methods isn't constructive criticism, which means is actually is not a contribution and is just worthless.

No, it's not.
Telling someone what is wrong is not worthless, even if you don't have a "superior" (subjective) alternative.

My response is not grand, nor complex, nor does it make drastic changes - but it should work precisely because of that. But it's hard to go into details on exactly which rules to change, given that the specific of WHY some of the rules exist and the consequences are unknown.

At least you was honest though, you really are here just to be negative to everyone else that actually bothers to have ideas of their own... So I know I'm not missing anything from ignoring your posts from here on.

Well, looks like someones tender sensibilites were offended. It also looks like someone can't take criticism and takes everything personally.

[Grieving Natashina]

Try to go easy on the fighting guys, otherwise this thread might get locked.

[andy6915]

Starsyn wrote...

Try to go easy on the fighting guys, otherwise this thread might get locked.

There is no fight, I'm not making another post to Lotion for the rest of the thread. A fight takes 2, and 1 of those 2 (me) is done playing that game.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Jaison1986 wrote...
Oh noes, my secret is out! What do I do?

And no, a thousand people don't need to die as long as the chantry and the templars get off their high horse. I never advocated for the death of mundanes. You have this childish reasoning that mages who have more freedoms instantly go on a killing spree, and yet places like Rivain totally prove you wrong.

And neither do I advocate the death of mages.
Yet you have this childish reasoning that everyone who doesn't shout from the top of the tallest mountain "free all mages", wants all mages dead and doesn't care about them.

And who said "mages instantly go on a killing spree"?
Am I in the right thread?
Is this the strawman thread?

[Lotion Soronarr]

JackumsD wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

It never ceases to amaze me just how little some poeple know about the Circles - like for example, how they are run.
Some of the posters here are convinced templars are in chrage of the dayily running of the Circle, when in fact it's the enchanters to decide that, templars are handling security issues.

It's a little naive to believe this is how things actually work as opposed to how they're meant to.

So can you give me a in-game expample of templars determining the daily running of the Circle?

Do we have an example of them determining the curiculum? The teachers? The daily menu? The finances? The purchase of a new rug for the mage hall? The topic of the annual mages meeting?
No?

[Lulupab]

In my opinion Templars can't truly win, they can win the mage-templar war but they cannot stop people from being born with magic. Lets say Templars win the war. Many mages won't submit to Templar leadership again and will take the path the Dalish have taken. There will never be enough Templars to watch every corner of Thedas. Mage rebellions will constantly rise everywhere in Thedas, we will see more and more people like Anders , everyone will get frustrated and chaos will overwhelm Thedas. People will stop joining Templar ranks as it is automatically becoming a death wish. Unless there is a magical tranquilize all thedas button to be pushed, but wait there is a cure for tranquility and a cured tranquil might become very crazy and go on a killing spree. Just a speculation but I believe its a good one.

That being said a sort of compromise is the only way but not the circles again.

[Lulupab]

I think dwarves cannot infuse themselves with any kind of lyrium so some dwarves might join the templars but they cannot gain any templar abilities or talents. So there isn't much benefit for them.

[Lulupab]

There are many potential allies for both sides. For example the Dalish. A few mages like Velanna will change the tide of battle. Ho many giant burning trees she brought to life? forty? all by herself?

[Lotion Soronarr]

Rassler wrote...

In my opinion Templars can't truly win, they can win the mage-templar war but they cannot stop people from being born with magic. Lets say Templars win the war. Many mages won't submit to Templar leadership again and will take the path the Dalish have taken. There will never be enough Templars to watch every corner of Thedas. Mage rebellions will constantly rise everywhere in Thedas, we will see more and more people like Anders , everyone will get frustrated and chaos will overwhelm Thedas. People will stop joining Templar ranks as it is automatically becoming a death wish. Unless there is a magical tranquilize all thedas button to be pushed, but wait there is a cure for tranquility and a cured tranquil might become very crazy and go on a killing spree. Just a speculation but I believe its a good one.

You sound as if you think the goal of this war is to extermiante all mages. It is not. If the tempalrs win, they win.
The surviving mages will be brought back to the Circles.

New mages beign born is irrelevant - new mundanes are also born. You can never stop crime, do you give up fighting agaisnt crime then? No? Then why should the templars stop?

There will enver be enough tempalrs to watch every corner? there doesn't have to be. As long as they can watch enough and contain most mages, it will suffice.
And you are seriously overestimating the number of mages if you think mage rebellions will constatnly rise everywhere. Most will still end up in the new Circle (which may be ebtter or worse, no way to tell). Given the bloody end of the first rebellion, mages would be relucant to try a rebellion again, and mundanes would be even less inclined to help them.

[Lulupab]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Rassler wrote...

In my opinion Templars can't truly win, they can win the mage-templar war but they cannot stop people from being born with magic. Lets say Templars win the war. Many mages won't submit to Templar leadership again and will take the path the Dalish have taken. There will never be enough Templars to watch every corner of Thedas. Mage rebellions will constantly rise everywhere in Thedas, we will see more and more people like Anders , everyone will get frustrated and chaos will overwhelm Thedas. People will stop joining Templar ranks as it is automatically becoming a death wish. Unless there is a magical tranquilize all thedas button to be pushed, but wait there is a cure for tranquility and a cured tranquil might become very crazy and go on a killing spree. Just a speculation but I believe its a good one.

You sound as if you think the goal of this war is to extermiante all mages. It is not. If the tempalrs win, they win.
The surviving mages will be brought back to the Circles.

New mages beign born is irrelevant - new mundanes are also born. You can never stop crime, do you give up fighting agaisnt crime then? No? Then why should the templars stop?

There will enver be enough tempalrs to watch every corner? there doesn't have to be. As long as they can watch enough and contain most mages, it will suffice.
And you are seriously overestimating the number of mages if you think mage rebellions will constatnly rise everywhere. Most will still end up in the new Circle (which may be ebtter or worse, no way to tell). Given the bloody end of the first rebellion, mages would be relucant to try a rebellion again, and mundanes would be even less inclined to help them.

They won't accept the circles in the first place. Most likely they will choose isolation like the Dalish.

[EmperorSahlertz]

What makes you think they will have a choice?

[Jean]

Bend them all over my knee and spank them.

[Jaison1986]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

What makes you think they will have a choice in my game?

Fixed

Because to you it will surely end like that. While in mine, for example, most of the templars will be likely dead near the end game.