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The Call of Leviathan: Mass Effect and Lovecraft (article)


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“The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.”
- H.P. Lovecraft


ontologicalgeek.com/the-call-of-leviathan-mass-effect-and-lovecraft/

This is an interesting article about Mass Effect and its Lovecraftian influences. The author argues that Mass Effect doesn't work as a combination of Lovecraft and power fantasy. I agree with some of his points, but I ultimately prefer to think of Mass Effect as a subversion of Lovecraft.


EDIT: Lovecraft's quote is precisely why I like the outcome of Synthesis. The Synthesis ending utterly obliterates that philosophy. It rips it apart. It kills it with fire. I believe that Destroy and Control also subvert the quote, but Synthesis does so in the grandest way. Knowledge liberates us; it doesn't destroy us.

Modifié par CosmicGnosis, 07 janvier 2014 - 03:32 .


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It's a pretty good piece. Interesting to think about what a truly Lovecraftian ME would have looked like.

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CosmicGnosis wrote...

Knowledge liberates us; it doesn't destroy us.


It depends on what you do with that knowledge. No?

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MegaSovereign wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

Knowledge liberates us; it doesn't destroy us.


It depends on what you do with that knowledge. No?


Yes, and the Synthesis epilogue outright states that it is used "to recover the greatness that was lost... and surpass it."

EDIT: But you know what? There are moments when I consider the possibility that Destroy is intended to be the ideal ending. BioWare "rewards" you with a living Shepard, right? And in those moments, I am disappointed that "unlimited access to knowledge" dies with the Reapers. I worry that BioWare deliberately sabotaged Synthesis just so that it would be ridiculed, leading people to reject its entire philosophy. The magic, the implied racism, the green circuitry, all of that might have been used to discredit Synthesis.

I don't know. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that it was actually supposed to be the best ending, so whatever. :pinched:

Modifié par CosmicGnosis, 07 janvier 2014 - 04:57 .


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CosmicGnosis wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

Knowledge liberates us; it doesn't destroy us.


It depends on what you do with that knowledge. No?


Yes, and the Synthesis epilogue outright states that it is used "to recover the greatness that was lost... and surpass it."


Alright, but what's "greatness" to extremists and moral relativists?

Modifié par dreamgazer, 07 janvier 2014 - 05:02 .


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CosmicGnosis wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

Knowledge liberates us; it doesn't destroy us.


It depends on what you do with that knowledge. No?


Yes, and the Synthesis epilogue outright states that it is used "to recover the greatness that was lost... and surpass it."


I just wish it was more clear on how Synthesis made this progress physically possible.

It just kind of leads us thinking that it's a change in attitude.

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@Cosmic

Destroy gives much the same vibe.

"If this war has taught us anything, it is that we are at our strongest when we work together. And if we can put down our grievances long enough to stop something as powerful as the Reapers, imagine what we can achieve now that they are defeated. It will take time, but we can rebuild everything that was destroyed. Our homes, our worlds, our fleets and defenses. All of this - and more. Together, we can build a future greater than any one of us could imagine."

Control does something similar, only reading like an Obama speech. I am, I will, me, me, me, me, me.

-_-

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 07 janvier 2014 - 04:57 .


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DeinonSlayer wrote...

@Cosmic

Destroy gives much the same vibe.

"If this war has taught us anything, it is that we are at our strongest when we work together. And if we can put down our grievances long enough to stop something as powerful as the Reapers, imagine what we can achieve now that they are defeated. It will take time, but we can rebuild everything that was destroyed. Our homes, our worlds, our fleets and defenses. All of this - and more. Together, we can build a future greater than any one of us could imagine."

Control does something similar, only reading like an Obama speech. I am, I will, me, me, me, me, me.

-_-


Destroy comes at the cost of synthetics, which really bothers me. I know that it bothers some people less, and some aren't bothered by it at all, but it frustrates me. It contradicts the theme that so many claim is represented by Destroy: freedom. Yes, there is finally freedom... but not for synthetics. Organic freedom at the cost of synthetic life. 

Control is interesting. Shepard can do anything he wants with the Reapers, but the epilogue has a strong Big Brother vibe. I think the EC should have allowed for a less "parental" Shepard.

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But turn that around and synthesis comes at the cost of loss of choice for everyone in the galaxy, which I've seen you say also makes you frustrated. I guess it depends on which you see as the worse, which for me taking away the rights of the few is still bad, but not nearly as bad as taking away the rights of everyone.

Synthesis is a great concept, but the execution still sucks.

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CosmicGnosis wrote...

Control is interesting. Shepard can do anything he wants with the Reapers, but the epilogue has a strong Big Brother vibe. I think the EC should have allowed for a less "parental" Shepard.


Yep. No matter the Shepard who serves as the basis for ReaperShep, they all allow the Reapers to tower above cities and "watch". Not what your Shepard would have done? Tough. It's what the new ControlShep does, regardless.

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One of the things that always worried me (in game) about the Control option, is that wouldn't Shepard lose his Organic connection when becoming MechaShepard? Since, to me, it seems like the Catalyst thinks self-determination is bound to DNA or circuitry. So, wouldn't Control then make Shepard fully Synthetic and thus lead to the inevitable extinction of all Organic life?

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CosmicGnosis wrote...

“The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.”
- H.P. Lovecraft


ontologicalgeek.com/the-call-of-leviathan-mass-effect-and-lovecraft/

This is an interesting article about Mass Effect and its Lovecraftian influences. The author argues that Mass Effect doesn't work as a combination of Lovecraft and power fantasy. I agree with some of his points, but I ultimately prefer to think of Mass Effect as a subversion of Lovecraft.


EDIT: Lovecraft's quote is precisely why I like the outcome of Synthesis. The Synthesis ending utterly obliterates that philosophy. It rips it apart. It kills it with fire. I believe that Destroy and Control also subvert the quote, but Synthesis does so in the grandest way. Knowledge liberates us; it doesn't destroy us.


I hate to break it to you, but I've discovered evidence that Synthesis is the solution that the Reapers want you to choose on behalf of the Leviathans. Think about it. The Leviathans used to dominate the galaxy, enslaving every "lesser" race they discovered until the machines the "lesser" races created turned against them. The Leviathans didn't want to lose all their slaves, because a dead race can't pay tribute to them. So they created the Catalyst to find a solution that would put an end to the conflict. The Catalyst told Shepard that he tried a similar solution to Synthesis, but it kept failing. He also said that the Leviathans created him to establish a connection between synthetic and organic life. In the Leviathan DLC, Ann Bryson tells Shepard and EDI that Leviathan uses those crystal ball artifacts to establish a connection to whoever it wants to control. See the connection between the phrase "establish a connection"?

If you think Synthesis is the best outcome, you're dead wrong. The Synthesis DNA is a brand new way for the Leviathans to control races they deem "lesser". The new DNA makes the crystal balls obsolete by linking all life in the galaxy  as living quantum entaglement communicator devices for the Leviathans to use and control every organic and synthetic no matter how far away they are. It's best that you DESTROY the Reapers and create true peace. An illusion of peace is offered to you on a silver platter. True peace must be earned regardless of the risk of another conflict between organics and synthetics. But you're right about one thing, knowledge does liberate you, but how you interpret the knowledge you gained and your course of action based on what you've learned determines whether you achieve real freedom... or an illusion of freedom.

Modifié par N7Gold, 07 janvier 2014 - 05:53 .


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Ruggly, what is that avatar?

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N7Gold wrote...

I hate to break it to you, but I've discovered evidence that Synthesis is the solution that the Reapers want you to choose on behalf of the Leviathans. Think about it. The Leviathans used to dominate the galaxy, enslaving every "lesser" race they discovered until the machines the "lesser" races created turned against them. The Leviathans didn't want to lose all their slaves, because a dead race can't pay tribute to them. So they created the Catalyst to find a solution that would put an end to the conflict. The Catalyst told Shepard that he tried a similar solution to Synthesis, but it kept failing. He also said that the Leviathans created him to establish a connection between synthetic and organic life. In the Leviathan DLC, Ann Bryson tells Shepard and EDI that Leviathan uses those crystal ball artifacts to establish a connection to whoever it wants to control. See the connection between the phrase "establish a connection"?

If you think Synthesis is the best outcome, you're dead wrong. The Synthesis DNA is a brand new way for the Leviathans to control races they deem "lesser". The new DNA makes the crystal balls obsolete by linking all life in the galaxy as living quantum entaglement communicator devices for the Leviathans to use and control every organic and synthetic no matter how far away they are. It's best that you DESTROY the Reapers and create true peace. An illusion of peace is offered to you on a silver platter. True peace must be earned regardless of the risk of another conflict between organics and synthetics. But you're right about one thing, knowledge does liberate you, but how you interpret the knowledge you gained and your course of action based on what you've learned determines whether you achieve real freedom... or an illusion of freedom.


You realize "What's a Leviathan?" is a valid rebuttal to this theory, right?

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Gosh, seems like 'power fantasy' is just the phrase of the day now for any epic story.

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David7204 wrote...

Gosh, seems like 'power fantasy' is just the phrase of the day now for any epic story.


Nope. Just for power fantasies.

;)

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CosmicGnosis wrote...

Knowledge liberates us; it doesn't destroy us.


This I agree with, but in relation to the Synthesis ending - it still isn't executed in a way I find fitting to my personal moral stance.  

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You know, OP, on the one hand I agree with you about the power of knowledge to liberate us. And, in fact, I believe we were meant to voyage far.

However, what I don't believe in is my "right" to impose my will on everybody else. Because somehow suddenly I know what is best for every organic in the galaxy to the point that I'm going to manipulate their very genetic code.

If I think that way, I might as well be Leviathan, or the Reapers themselves because that's exactly how they see things. I know best so I'm going to impose my will on everybody else.

It was never about the knowledge, or not valuing knowledge.

Further, I think the Reapers may have a variety of knowledge, but certainly nothing to the extent we give them credit. They always pinched the crop too early.

These were races that had really just come into advanced knowledge. Just become space faring. And they were cut off. We have never been allowed to grow because they figured we couldn't work things out on our own.

But isn't that, too, a part of growing and learning? We never got the chance. How much farther could we be as collective organics if the ladder wasn't kicked out from up under us every 50,000 years?

We could have learned so much more as each race had the chance to grow. And then that knowledge was preserved and passed on for millions of years.

Instead, we had to start from scratch every time. Never having the chance to learn from our collective mistakes, and thereby repeating the same mistakes over and over. By not letting us learn from our mistakes, and have the collective knowledge, the Reapers and Catalyst actually contributed to the replaying of the very problem they said they were trying to solve.

No, we didn't need Synth or Reapers to attain this knowledge. What we needed is for the Reapers to stop destroying us every 50,000 years so we could grow.

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Personally, I believe it's the path you choose to take to achieve learning that knowledge that makes it worth the "journey" to gaining it. Though Synthesis is an extreme and obviously under different circumstances, it won't vibe with me...especially when I've seen it done better.

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Perhaps I should write a thread about supposed 'power fantasies' and dispel these silly notions.

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David7204 wrote...

Perhaps I should write a thread about supposed 'power fantasies' and dispel these silly notions.


Go ahead. 

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David7204 wrote...

Perhaps I should write a thread about supposed 'power fantasies' and dispel these silly notions.


Oh, please do. 

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Yeah, it sucks that Synthesis is tainted with magic and a forced transformation. I can't defend it. It is a tragedy.

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David7204 wrote...

Perhaps I should write a thread about supposed 'power fantasies' and dispel these silly notions.


Make a thread about companion appearances also

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Sure.