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[David7204]

Mass Effect 3 wasn't subversive, aside from the ending.

[Sir DeLoria]

David7204 wrote...

Critics have an unfortunate tendency to praise just about anything so long as it's subversive.

Avatar is extremely subversive and yet critics heavily criticized the lacking story and gave it less positive reviews(7/10 on average). Also, I don't see how your opinion is worth more than that of a professional film critic, what exactly do you know about movies?

Modifié par Necanor, 07 janvier 2014 - 11:05 .

[David7204]

Err...no...Avatar is really not subversive at all.

[Sir DeLoria]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Avatar is just Dances with Wolves in a sci-fi setting and without Kevin Costner.

It's literally Pocahantas in space.

Exactly, which is why it, aside from its excellent visual effects, sucks. It's eye candy but nothing more.

[Br3admax]

David7204 wrote...

Mass Effect 3 wasn't subversive, aside from the ending.

Compared to even the earlier Mass Effect games, it is. Auto-dialogue being amont the smaller things.

[The Night Mammoth]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

I have never seen Avatar.

I'd recommend it purely for the visuals. The story is nothing to shout about but I'd take a well made and convincingly acted sci-fi spin on a cliched story over most of the dross Hollywood spews any day of the week.

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 07 janvier 2014 - 11:11 .

[Br3admax]

David7204 wrote...

Err...no...Avatar is really not subversive at all.

Don't use words that you found on Wikipedia. 

[dreamgazer]

I subvert myself every day.

[Linkenski]

What does subversive mean?

[Sir DeLoria]

David7204 wrote...

Err...no...Avatar is really not subversive at all.

In an interview on the View James Cameron said that his movie was aimed to be extremely subversive actually.

[Br3admax]

Just think of subersive as against the norm or rebellious.

I was unaware that there was a standard thought pattern to you, dream.

Modifié par Br3ad, 07 janvier 2014 - 11:14 .

[David7204]

Linkenski wrote...

What does subversive mean?

Basically, it means a story does something the audience doesn't expect.

[Br3admax]

David7204 wrote...

Linkenski wrote...

What does subversive mean?

Basically, it means a story does something the audience doesn't expect.

That's situational irony, not subversive. 

Modifié par Br3ad, 07 janvier 2014 - 11:15 .

[Linkenski]

K.
In that sense I guess Avatar was subversive but not in a literary regard.

[Sir DeLoria]

David7204 wrote...

Linkenski wrote...

What does subversive mean?

Basically, it means a story does something the audience doesn't expect.

Subversive, adj: Intended or serving to subvert, especially intended to overthrow or undermine an established government

n. One who advocates or is regarded as advocating subversion.

http://www.thefreedi....com/subversive

Modifié par Necanor, 07 janvier 2014 - 11:17 .

[David7204]

Br3ad wrote...

That's situational irony, not subversive. 

No. It isn't.

[dreamgazer]

Intentionally doing something beyond expectations. 

When it comes to fiction, that entails predicting what the audience is going to expect based on the preceding content, then going against the grain in order to challenge them. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

Linkenski wrote...

What does subversive mean?

Basically, it means a story does something the audience doesn't expect.

And what's wrong with doing things the audience doesn't expect?

[Br3admax]

David7204 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

That's situational irony, not subversive. 

No. It isn't.

Uh, yes it is. When the unexpected happens in a piece of work, it is ironic. That is the literal definition of situational irony. You aren't even trying at this point are you? 

[David7204]

Nothing, necessarily. And subversion is the entire basis of comedy. But it has a tendency to be poorly used because:

A) It's an incredibly easy and cheap way to generate drama through 'shock value.'
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Pretty much anything highly subversive tends to get praised as artistic and intellectual.

Modifié par David7204, 07 janvier 2014 - 11:26 .

[David7204]

Br3ad wrote...

Uh, yes it is. When the unexpected happens in a piece of work, it is ironic. That is the literal definition of situational irony. You aren't even trying at this point are you? 

Congrautations on joining the vast group of people who have no clue what 'irony' means. Here's your theme song.

[Sir DeLoria]

David7204 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Uh, yes it is. When the unexpected happens in a piece of work, it is ironic. That is the literal definition of situational irony. You aren't even trying at this point are you? 

Congrautations on joining the vast group of people who have no clue what 'irony' means. Here's your theme song.

And you don't know what subversion means.

[Sir DeLoria]

Situational irony is simply when an action has the reverse effect of what was intended or expected.

http://dictionary.re...tuational irony

[Br3admax]

David7204 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Uh, yes it is. When the unexpected happens in a piece of work, it is ironic. That is the literal definition of situational irony. You aren't even trying at this point are you? 

Congrautations on joining the vast group of people who have no clue what 'irony' means. Here's your theme song.

Congratulations on joining the group of people who looked up irony on Google, while completely ignoring that there are actually several types of irony, from sarcasam to your hypocriticalness. Here is your theme song.