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[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

Nothing, necessarily. And subversion is the entire basis of comedy. But it has a tendency to be poorly used because:

A) It's an incredibly easy and cheap way to generate drama through 'shock value.'
and
Pretty much anything highly subversive tends to get praised as artistic and intellectual.

And B is a problem how? That sounds more like a virtue.

[David7204]

Because nothing deserves praise on the sole merit of violating the norm.

[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

Because nothing deserves praise on the sole merit of violating the norm.

It does if it works

[spirosz]

David7204 wrote...

Because nothing deserves praise on the sole merit of violating the norm.

Of course it does.  Getting out of the norm is what achieves amazing things. 

[dreamgazer]

David7204 wrote...

Because nothing deserves praise on the sole merit of violating the norm.

That's interesting coming from someone who trumpets courage and bravery all the time. 

[David7204]

spirosz wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Because nothing deserves praise on the sole merit of violating the norm.

Of course it does.  Getting out of the norm is what achieves amazing things. 

No, violating the norm because it's the norm and you want to violate it is what achieves stupidity. Well, one of many things.

The visionary is neither a conformist nor non-conformist. He has no concern for norms. The non-corformist is every bit as much of a slave to the norms as the comformist is. And he's even more concerned for the norms. Much more, even. You're aware of that, right? He's simply condemned himself to do the opposite.

Modifié par David7204, 07 janvier 2014 - 11:42 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

Was that the movie where in the future somebody dug up the corpse of General Custer and cloned him to lead the evil bad mercenaries/marines/capitalists against the peaceful tree-loving blue people who are in perfect harmony with the environment etc etc?

And you have mechanized power armor but the best melee weapon you can develop for it is a giant knife? That calls for a giant chainsaw.

[dreamgazer]

David7204 wrote...

No, violating the norm because it's the norm and you want to violate it is what achieves stupidity. Well, one of many things.

The visionary is neither a conformist nor non-conformist. He has no concern for norms. The non-corformist is every bit as much of a slave to the norms as the comformist is. And he's even more concerned for the norms. Much more, even. You're aware of that, right? He's simply condemned himself to do the opposite.

I probably shouldn't be surprised at your conversative nature, but damn.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

David7204 wrote...

Linkenski wrote...

What does subversive mean?

Basically, it means a story does something the audience doesn't expect.

Uh... 

that's not true.

Subversive is when you seek to undermine conventions, or to rebel against establishment. It's not irony, and it's not necessarily unexpected storytelling.

Modifié par Jeremiah12LGeek, 07 janvier 2014 - 11:48 .

[Rainbowhawk]

MichaelStJohn90068 wrote...

I once read an article that people who loved the movie "Avatar" becoming sad after the movie was over because they had to go back to their real life.  Now that I've finished playing ME3, I know how they feel.  I found the experience to be incredibly poignant and bittersweet. 

After taking my Shepard on such a long journey with such a great cast of characters, I'm feeling a bit hollow.  I was a bit hesitant when I began Mass Effect because it's somewhat different from my usual gaming, but it definitely had me completely in its power by the end.

I was an Avatar Fan before I was able to get into Mass Effect and I have experienced exactly what the forums say which is "Avatar Blues." The film drew many emotions and immersed you into the story and the world it was in that when it was over, you just felt like you were slapped in the face back to reality.

Mass effect in the mass effect universe, you can see reflections of the conflicts we have today amongst each other but with the new technology, a galactic culture that isn't too out of this world, and the story of Shepard bringing everyone together, it would be great to live in that time.

The thing ME did when I finished it, with the EC, was make me feel like there is just no other game out there that can entertain me any more, whenever I play a different game like Crysis 2, it just feel like a tedious chore when I could go back and experience the whole ME story again.

But that's not what I regret at all, I'm glad I got into it. My only regret about getting into ME is that my original favorite Sci-fi romance of Jake and Neytiri is now in jeopardy by MaleShep & Liara.

[SlottsMachine]

At least Avatar didn't tack on multiplayer!

[OdanUrr]

This is the only Avatar I acknowledge:

[Br3admax]

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Linkenski wrote...

What does subversive mean?

Basically, it means a story does something the audience doesn't expect.

That's situational irony, not subversive. 

Uh... 

Neither of those is true.

Subversive is when you seek to undermine conventions, or to rebel against establishment. It's not irony, and it's not necessarily unexpected storytelling.

How is something that is unexpected not unexpected? I'm honestly confused by this statement. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

OdanUrr wrote...

This is the only Avatar I acknowledge:

No word of a lie, when I heard about the Avatar movie for the first time, I seriously thought that it was going to be about the show.

[SlottsMachine]

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

And you have mechanized power armor but the best melee weapon you can develop for it is a giant knife? That calls for a giant chainsaw.

Gatling laser guns are for ******.

*Also, now picturing them cutting down that special tree with a giant chainsaw.*

[spirosz]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

This is the only Avatar I acknowledge:

No word of a lie, when I heard about the Avatar movie for the first time, I seriously thought that it was going to be about the show.

There is one, but no one ever dares say its name... for it mind bode a sequel. 

[Br3admax]

It only ended around the same place as Book One, right? Let's hope that the reviews were low enough to keep the sequel from happening.

[AresKeith]

spirosz wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

This is the only Avatar I acknowledge:

No word of a lie, when I heard about the Avatar movie for the first time, I seriously thought that it was going to be about the show.

There is one, but no one ever dares say its name... for it mind bode a sequel. 

Made by M.Knight Shamalamadingdong

[dreamgazer]

spirosz wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

This is the only Avatar I acknowledge:

No word of a lie, when I heard about the Avatar movie for the first time, I seriously thought that it was going to be about the show.

There is one, but no one ever dares say its name... for it mind bode a sequel. 

Good lord, that movie actually made back twice its budget with overseas ticket sales?!

I weep, I say. I weep. 

[TheChris92]

Avatar had pretty much covered up every predictable sci-fi trope in the book and then some.. I cannot believe this was Cameron's big surprise project after so many years of absence from the film scene. This is the problem with waiting too long 'till you release your product, namely 15 years, because by that time a lot of newcomers have done a better job through a shorter development time period. We can safely look at the Duke Nukem game as an example from the perspective of the video game industry -- I suppose Avatar & Mass Effect do have the pretty visuals & enormous amount of CGI in common.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Br3ad wrote...

How is something that is unexpected not unexpected? I'm honestly confused by this statement. 

I edited what I wrote a minute later after I posted it. Even so, I think it was fairly obvious that I was talking about subversion, even in the original quote. I thought you were, too, and changed it when I realized that you weren't.

Modifié par Jeremiah12LGeek, 08 janvier 2014 - 12:11 .

[David7204]

Aside from the humans being pretty obvious in their disdain for the aliens and a bit of questionable nature-y themes, I thought Avatar was great.

I'm guessing much of the heat it gets comes from having the 'Mighty Whitey' stuff. White male comes and saves the tribe. Far Cry 3 seemed to hit somewhat of the same note in reviews, despite having an above average story for a video game.

Modifié par David7204, 08 janvier 2014 - 12:15 .

[TheMyron]

KaiserShep wrote...

This is true, but the AMP suit had so much melee potential. Imagine using it to pick up and toss a brute, or tear a marauder in half. It even had a nifty giant hunting knife.

Or do a over-the-leg spine-breaker with a banshee...

[Yggdrasil]

Rainbowhawk wrote...

I was an Avatar Fan before I was able to get into Mass Effect and I have experienced exactly what the forums say which is "Avatar Blues." The film drew many emotions and immersed you into the story and the world it was in that when it was over, you just felt like you were slapped in the face back to reality.

I appreciate your getting back to my original comment.  I really just wanted to commiserate with people who could appreciate my feelings at reaching the end of Shepard's journey.  Everybody in my real life thinks I'm bananas for being so moved by a video game. 

Pearls before swine, I tell you.  Pearls before swine. 

[Malanek]

Well I liked ME3, Avatar and District 9!

I didn't really think much of Dances with Wolves, never seen Pocahontus (sp). Avatar was quite a bit different from Dances with Wolves in space. The characters were all very different, the main story was actually about temptation, a guy who had lost the ability to walk and gets offered the chance to get it back. Comparing them is like saying all crime stories where a detective tracks down the killer are the same. Plus the effects were both amazing and beautiful.

I liked District 9 as well (Elysium not so much). It was a really well told simple but original story that explored real discrimination by way of an entertaining analogy. It was funny and even touching at times. For the amount of money it was made on it was remarkable.