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[Lotion Soronarr]

I'd like to poitn out that "tevinter architecture" doesn't mean "officialy built by government of tevinter".

Even in tevinter there might have been planety of people who liked and worked with elves.
A small town with elves and humans is not unlikely - kings, leaders or government of humans or elves might have had little to do with it.
In fact, it might have been one of the reason it was destroyed (Brecillian forest ruins).

[EmperorSahlertz]

Indeed. Particularly since the Brecillian forest has a history rife with conflict, both between humans and Elves but also prior to this.

What however isn't up for discussion is wether or not the ruins were of human origin. It is confrimed to be humans who built the place, so I am a little dumbfounded at the amount of people arguing that it is an Elven ruin..

[AltanIV]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Indeed. Particularly since the Brecillian forest has a history rife with conflict, both between humans and Elves but also prior to this.

What however isn't up for discussion is wether or not the ruins were of human origin. It is confrimed to be humans who built the place, so I am a little dumbfounded at the amount of people arguing that it is an Elven ruin..

As far as I'm concerned I didn't argue the fact that it was - at least partially - built by humans but that it was built by the Imperium. And true I also considered that it could be prior to the Tevinter coming in what would be Ferelden.

[Knight of Dane]

The Tevinter Imperium battled the wilders and chasind of the ferelden area back in the day. (Which is why Ostagar was built) so I don't find it that hard to imagine that independent humans and Elves mingled.

If Arlathan was actually where the Arlathan Forest lies that means that the Elven capital was pretty far north compared to the entirety of Thedas. It wouldn't be odd to imagine that people might differ more outside the generalization in the provinces.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Well the Imperium first invaded the Ferelden valley about 1600 years ago. But humans existed there for around twice that long.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 08 janvier 2014 - 08:46 .

[themageguy]

That looks awesome.
Maybe we'll get to find the lost city!
My dalish Mage inquisitor will love it!

[Rotward]

Oh joy. Atlantis rip off. Sigh.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Rotward wrote...

Oh joy. Atlantis rip off. Sigh.

The ONLY commonality between the two is that they were both mysterious cultures taht was sunk. I fail to see how Arlathan is a rip off.

[dragondreamer]

 *unholy shrieking*
If we really get to visit the ruins of Arlathan, I'm going to be beside myself with joy.  I didn't think we'd go that far north in this game...does that mean we'd see Tevinter as well, since Arlathan Forest is in Tevinter's northeast?  AHHHH, especially with a Dalish Inquisitor, this would be the best thing ever. 

[Corker]

Angrywolves wrote...

The Black Fox and his friends went looking for it and disappeared. Would be nice to know what happened to them.

^This.  The Black Fox and his crew are one of my favorite bits of random lore.

Triple Word Score if Ariane and Finn are there poking around the place, having used the Lights of Arlathan and the Drake's Fall eluvian to find another eluvian, and another, and another, until they find Arlathan.  Because why wouldn't they?

[Medhia Nox]

@EmperorSahlertz: The concentric circle design of the "roads?" is Atlantian inspired.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@EmperorSahlertz: The concentric circle design of the "roads?" is Atlantian inspired.

Where I come from inspiration is not the same as a rip-off. Otherwise I would say that basically ALL fantasy stories are blatant rip-offs of ancient folklore.

And I don't really remember Plato ever specifying the shape of the Atlantean roads anyway, so I am quite certain that their circular design is a result of later artists' interpretation...

[AltanIV]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

And I don't really remember Plato ever specifying the shape of the Atlantean roads anyway, so I am quite certain that their circular design is a result of later artists' interpretation...

Actually in Critias's story, Plato described the capital of Atlantis (which actually was an Island and not just a city - I think the Atlantide was supposed to be composed of 10 cities or so) as circular. Still, Plato admitted that he himself was inspired by older writtings, writtings that we know nothing about as they seem to be lost (if they ever existed at all, as for me, I tend to think that if they ever existed they were lost with Alexandria's Library).

Although, some believe that Critias's discussion wasn't written by Plato but by one of his students.

Doesn't change the fact that I would agree with you about your first fact, true, most fantasy stories are inspired by folklore lore

Modifié par AltanIV, 09 janvier 2014 - 03:59 .

[Vilegrim]

Knight of Dane wrote...

Veruin wrote...

Very Atlantisy vibe, I'm getting.

I was thinking Mont Saint-Michel

been their it is a simply amazing place.  Nothing says 'keep out' like a series of metres thick walls and being on a tidal silt flat.  BTW it is mind boggling in scale as well, that spire at the top?  It's on a huge medieval cathedral. oh and it is on my list of 'places most likely to own face when the zompocalypse comes'  every shop is trying to sell you swords..or armour..or guns...and pretty much every second building is a shop. 

[Knight of Dane]

Vilegrim wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

Veruin wrote...

Very Atlantisy vibe, I'm getting.

I was thinking Mont Saint-Michel

been their it is a simply amazing place.  Nothing says 'keep out' like a series of metres thick walls and being on a tidal silt flat.  BTW it is mind boggling in scale as well, that spire at the top?  It's on a huge medieval cathedral. oh and it is on my list of 'places most likely to own face when the zompocalypse comes'  every shop is trying to sell you swords..or armour..or guns...and pretty much every second building is a shop. 


*Snip*

Yeah, it's great. Been there twice.

And from the outside it looks like the Disney Princess Castle 

[Medhia Nox]

@EmperorSahlertz: I believe you may have edited the post I responded to (I don't quote) - but I wrote "inspired" - not ripped off (that was the person you were responding to). I believe you originally asked how it could possibly be "ripped off" - and I gave one small connection of "how it could possibly".

I'd recommend less coffee.

[EmperorSahlertz]

I never asked for a possible explanation. I said I failed to see how Arlathan was a rip-off of Atlantis.

[Rotward]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Rotward wrote...

Oh joy. Atlantis rip off. Sigh.

The ONLY commonality between the two is that they were both mysterious cultures that was sunk. I fail to see how Arlathan is a rip off.

That's all we know about them so far, so it's a rip off until we learn more. 

[EmperorSahlertz]

Rotward wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Rotward wrote...

Oh joy. Atlantis rip off. Sigh.

The ONLY commonality between the two is that they were both mysterious cultures that was sunk. I fail to see how Arlathan is a rip off.

That's all we know about them so far, so it's a rip off until we learn more. 

We know A LOT more about the legend of Atlantis than we do of Arlathan. So calling Arlathan an Atlantis rip-off just shows that you have no clue as to what a rip-off actually is.

[Cimeas]

I love the fact that FINALLY in DAI we get real *variety*.

Jungles, mountains, deserts, forests, swamps, cities- that's exactly what I want to see.

[Rotward]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Rotward wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Rotward wrote...

Oh joy. Atlantis rip off. Sigh.

The ONLY commonality between the two is that they were both mysterious cultures that was sunk. I fail to see how Arlathan is a rip off.

That's all we know about them so far, so it's a rip off until we learn more. 

We know A LOT more about the legend of Atlantis than we do of Arlathan. So calling Arlathan an Atlantis rip-off just shows that you have no clue as to what a rip-off actually is.

Nope. We know a lot more about atlantis, but very, very little about arlathan. Thus, it's a rip off so far, and may or may not continue along those lines. 

[EmperorSahlertz]

So ANYTHING that is sunk is a rip-off of Atlantis? Yeah, I'm gonna go with that you are clueless and leave it at that.

[Wissenschaft]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Arlathan could also just have been a myth and never have actually existed.

I would agree, but the Tevinters clearly remember it too, since they sunk the damn thing.

The ancient Greeks remembered sinking Atlantis too...

 

Actually, the only mention of Atlantis is from Plato. Its only during latter generations that people start to believe that Atlantis was real. In fact, Plato used several fables in his dialgoues and its quite likely that Atlantis is just a made up story ment to illustrate his ideal city state.

Modifié par Wissenschaft, 12 janvier 2014 - 11:19 .

[Rotward]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

So ANYTHING that is sunk is a rip-off of Atlantis? Yeah, I'm gonna go with that you are clueless and leave it at that.

No, any city from an ancient but highly successful civilization that sinks in a single day is atlantis. This remains true until we get more information. Any conclusions drawn from this post are based off of essentially no info, and are pure speculation. 

That said, I've yet to encounter a fantasy city that rises from underwater which doesn't borrow heavily from the legend of atlantis.