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[TheButterflyEffect]

Those horned twits can't possibly hog it all to themselves forever.

When is the rest of Thedas gonna get gunpowder?

[The Elder King]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Those horned twits can't possibly hog it all to themselves forever.

When is the rest of Thedas gonna get gunpowder?

When the rest of Thedas decides to focus on technological research and discover it.

[TheButterflyEffect]

Instead of trying insanely hard to mimic Catholicism? Hmm. I wonder how long that will take.

[Afro_Explosion]

They'll get gunpowder when the qunari conquer thedas and give it their newly converted citizens..for fireworks.

[Vit246]

Unfortunately the Qunari have spies with standing orders to destroy anyone who discovers gunpowder.
And they're so good at it they've been doing it for a few hundred years now.
All over freaking Thedas apparently.
Pricks.

How the hell did nobody manage to capture a single Qunari Dreadnought with its gunpowder and cannons during the Qunari wars?

Modifié par Vit246, 07 janvier 2014 - 11:31 .

[Last seeker]

mx_keep13 wrote...

They'll get gunpowder when the qunari conquer thedas and give it their newly converted citizens..for fireworks.

+1

I'm looking forward for your "comment of the year" award.

[TheButterflyEffect]

They're not omnipresent gods. They can't succeed forever.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Vit246 wrote...
How the hell did nobody manage to capture a single Qunari Dreadnought with its gunpowder and cannons during the Qunari wars?

I wouldn't be suprised if the Qunari sailors aboard the Dreadnoughts have orders to detonate all gunpowder in the event of the ship being captured. Similar to how soldiers destroy sensitive intel or technology to prevent it from falling into enemy hands.

[Angrywolves]

Don't expect to see it in DAI..
With Frostbite's Destruction 4.0 we won't need gunpowder.

[General TSAR]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...
When is the rest of Thedas gonna get gunpowder?

How about never because it will obviously kill the lore?

[Veruin]

We already have gunpowder. It's called lyrium sand.

[Deflagratio]

Hopefully we'll never see gunpowder weaponry as anything other than an imported curiosity within the Dragon Age universe.

I'm not particularly interested in having Dragon Age turned into Battlefield Age, fortunately because the Lore exists in a state where the Supernatural is an observable fact, there can be supernatural reasons that justify the stagnation of technology.

[General TSAR]

There's Cannons on Qunari dreadnoughts but other than that there is no other gunpowder-based weaponry and I hope BW keeps it that way.

[Armorat]

General TSAR wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...
When is the rest of Thedas gonna get gunpowder?

How about never because it will obviously kill the lore?

So Thedas gets stuck in millenia of technological standstill, Elder Scrolls style? Meh, sounds pretty boring to me. Bioware is awesome at lore-building, and I'm sure they could make it work.

I for one would love to see how they would move DA lore and magic into an era of artillery and flintlock rifles and star forts. Hell, will it really take the dwarves or the qunari that much longer to invent the steam engine and really kick off an industrial revolution?

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Deflagratio wrote...

Hopefully we'll never see gunpowder weaponry as anything other than an imported curiosity within the Dragon Age universe.

I'm not particularly interested in having Dragon Age turned into Battlefield Age, fortunately because the Lore exists in a state where the Supernatural is an observable fact, there can be supernatural reasons that justify the stagnation of technology.

I thought somebody might bring this up. What about the qunari, who distrust magic, or the dwarves who don't have any magic at all? Would they really be content to stagnate forever? Or would they be driven to match and exceed any power that mages might have?

Modifié par Xiphos Systems, 08 janvier 2014 - 12:58 .

[Magdalena11]

DA already has gunpowder if Anders could discover the formula. Even after gunpowder became fairly commonplace in the 1500s, its use was more for intimidation than anything else. It was unreliable and dangerous. Who wants a weapon that has a 1/3 chance of working, 1/3 chance of complete failure and 1/3 chance of going off in the user's face?

Leave it for the Qunari and Dworkin and his surviving apprentices, I say.

[TheButterflyEffect]

Veruin wrote...

We already have gunpowder. It's called lyrium sand.

It ain't gatlocke, and it's poisonous.

[Veruin]

Magdalena11 wrote...

DA already has gunpowder if Anders could discover the formula.

I wouldn't say Anders used a gunpowder based bomb.  That explosion coupled with the levitatin debris heavily indicates it's magic based.

[Giant ambush beetle]

Such groundbreaking technology could not be hidden from other nations spies for a month, maybe even less if the Qunari are unlucky.

[Magdalena11]

Veruin wrote...

Magdalena11 wrote...

DA already has gunpowder if Anders could discover the formula.

I wouldn't say Anders used a gunpowder based bomb.  That explosion coupled with the levitatin debris heavily indicates it's magic based.

I agree that the explosion was ridiculous and Guy Fawkes planned to use barrels of the stuff to blow up Parliament.  Anders would not have been able to smuggle that much into the Chantry under his robe.  My point is that the formula was there to be found somewhere.

[General TSAR]

Xiphos Systems wrote...

So Thedas gets stuck in millenia of technological standstill, Elder Scrolls style? Meh, sounds pretty boring to me.

Fable introduced flintlocks and that went so swimingly with the lore. 

[Deflagratio]

Xiphos Systems wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...
When is the rest of Thedas gonna get gunpowder?

How about never because it will obviously kill the lore?

So Thedas gets stuck in millenia of technological standstill, Elder Scrolls style? Meh, sounds pretty boring to me. Bioware is awesome at lore-building, and I'm sure they could make it work.

I for one would love to see how they would move DA lore and magic into an era of artillery and flintlock rifles and star forts. Hell, will it really take the dwarves or the qunari that much longer to invent the steam engine and really kick off an industrial revolution?

Addition:

Deflagratio wrote...

Hopefully we'll never see gunpowder weaponry as anything other than an imported curiosity within the Dragon Age universe.

I'm not particularly interested in having Dragon Age turned into Battlefield Age, fortunately because the Lore exists in a state where the Supernatural is an observable fact, there can be supernatural reasons that justify the stagnation of technology.

I thought somebody might bring this up. What about the qunari, who distrust magic, or the dwarves who don't have any magic at all? Would they really be content to stagnate forever? Or would they be driven to match and exceed any power that mages might have?

I think you missed the most important point in my post, that there may be some contrived reason why gunpowder weapons are ineffective. Dwarves and Qunari can still pursue advancement, but it may not yield worthwhile results.

You're also talking about no small change. To introduce gunpowder weaponry on a practical scale would fundamentally change the genre setting of Dragon Age. I think that's even more grievous an error than a mechanical genre change. Though it could be a hilarious juxtaposition if Dragon Age turned into a Sci-Fi RPG and Mass Effect turned into a Fantasy RPG. (Because that's a hyperbolic equivalent of what you suggest)

[Armorat]

Magdalena11 wrote...

Veruin wrote...

Magdalena11 wrote...

DA already has gunpowder if Anders could discover the formula.

I wouldn't say Anders used a gunpowder based bomb.  That explosion coupled with the levitatin debris heavily indicates it's magic based.

I agree that the explosion was ridiculous and Guy Fawkes planned to use barrels of the stuff to blow up Parliament.  Anders would not have been able to smuggle that much into the Chantry under his robe.  My point is that the formula was there to be found somewhere.

The ingredients he called for could easily be interpreted as gunpowder ingredients...sela petrae is obviously saltpeter, which used to be made from dung and urine (sewers, anyone?) and it's no further stretch to imagine that drakestone is sulfur or pyrite. Last ingredient is charcoal, which he could get anywhere, and that's all you need. Kaboom. Maybe it was just a detonator or something, but he definitely had it right.

Modifié par Xiphos Systems, 08 janvier 2014 - 01:17 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

While I hope that the use of gunpowder doesn't become commonplace, I have to admit I would love for the villain of a future installment to have his army crack the code for it and use it to try to dominate the land, similar to Oda Nobunaga using arquebuses to unify Feudal Japan.

[Deebo305]

The Day Muskets and Flintlock rifles replace the Bow and Arrow is the day that people on BSN flame like nobodies business

I expect the backlash to be worst than the ME3 ending fiasco. I personally would love it

[Armorat]

Deflagratio wrote...

I think you missed the most important point in my post, that there may be some contrived reason why gunpowder weapons are ineffective. Dwarves and Qunari can still pursue advancement, but it may not yield worthwhile results.

You're also talking about no small change. To introduce gunpowder weaponry on a practical scale would fundamentally change the genre setting of Dragon Age. I think that's even more grievous an error than a mechanical genre change. Though it could be a hilarious juxtaposition if Dragon Age turned into a Sci-Fi RPG and Mass Effect turned into a Fantasy RPG. (Because that's a hyperbolic equivalent of what you suggest)

Sorry, I wasn't trying to step on your toes. Your quip about hyperbole might be true, but I don't think the writers would take that ad absurdum jump and leapfrog over hundreds of years of muzzle-loading black powder history to give us modern long-range automatic weaponry. Change takes a long time, and it can be interesting the whole way.

That being said, I totally understand folks' concerns about gameplay. When I said Bioware could make it work, I was pretty much just thinking in terms of lore. If future DA games actually started dropping firearms into our characters' hands, I'd be seriously worried about what EA was trying to do to foul things up.

Modifié par Xiphos Systems, 08 janvier 2014 - 01:43 .