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[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

I'm not sure you have a good grasp of what 'morality' means.

A hero would of course lie to save innocent people. Even if a hero considering lying to be wrong (which I don't, and which thankfully few protagonists do), the would of course put the principle of saving innocents over the principle of being truthful.

Morality is a system of what you believe to be right and wrong in certain situations.

It also varies from person to person, culture to culture

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

I'm not sure you have a good grasp of what 'morality' means.

A hero would of course lie to save innocent people. Even if a hero considering lying to be wrong (which I don't, and which thankfully few protagonists do), the would of course put the principle of saving innocents over the principle of being truthful.

Well, you've demonstrated that you have a rather limited definition of what morality is and what a 'hero' is.

So as much as you spout off on heroism, it's just so ironic to realize that your 'heroism' is really limited and unencompassing, and in practice, absolutely ineffective.

[SgtSteel91]

Isn't the title 'Hero' earned by the people around you after you accomplice something that would warrant it, whether it was saving their lives or catching a criminal? You can't really call yourself a Hero like it's a job description, can you?

Modifié par SgtSteel91, 08 janvier 2014 - 09:43 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

David7204 wrote...

I'm not sure you have a good grasp of what 'morality' means.

A hero would of course lie to save innocent people. Even if a hero considering lying to be wrong (which I don't, and which thankfully few protagonists do), the would of course put the principle of saving innocents over the principle of being truthful.

Morality is sense what is wrong or right for individual as i said it may be "i won't kill you because killing is wrong" and who said that peoples are innocent what if that 100 peoples were slavers but help you after but they would serve damage to "innocent"? 

[TheKomandorShepard]

SgtSteel91 wrote...

Isn't the title 'Hero' earned by the people around you after you accomplice something that would warrant it, whether it was saving their lives or catching a criminal? You can't really call yourself a Hero like it's a job description, can you?

well hero in real life well all you need is good reputation and do something big then group of peoples may threat you as hero and still you can be far from nice guy.

in fiction it is rather this

[MassivelyEffective0730]

SgtSteel91 wrote...

Isn't the title 'Hero' earned by the people around you after you accomplice something that would warrant it, whether it was saving their lives or catching a criminal? You can't really call yourself a Hero like it's a job description, can you?

I don't even care about being a 'hero' or a 'villain' or a 'saviour' or a 'conquerer'. I never had use for such titles.

I am what I need to be. That's all I need.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 08 janvier 2014 - 09:56 .

[Jaulen]

Deflagratio wrote...

*snip*
The choice of where to deploy the soldiers on the road is an interesting one, because it asks questions of duty and the inquisition's purpose (Which will probably be defined by the player in the end). The choice of Defending the Keep or Defending the village are both acceptable based on what you believe is the purpose of the Inquisition. On one end, you could argue that the keep is pointless if you're unwilling to protect the nearby holdings, and on another, risking the regional stability by losing the keep could have greater ramifications than one community of peasants.

*snip*

Protect the Keep at all Costs! You can always find more peasants.....don't they thrive on hard work, impossible situations, and being put upon? Also, they are rather breedy, always more waiting in the wings, maybe those alienage elves would be willing to help out.

Man, my first Inquisitor is going to be a jerk.

Modifié par Jaulen, 08 janvier 2014 - 10:02 .

[Pasquale1234]

Jaulen wrote...
Protect the Keep at all Costs! You can always find more peasants.....don't they thrive on hard work, impossible situations, and being put upon? Also, they are rather breedy, always more waiting in the wings, maybe those alienage elves would be willing to help out.

Man, my first Inquisitor is going to be a jerk.

I don't think it's going to be quite that simple, or perhaps I simply hope it isn't.

The demo gives the impression that consequences mean that some things are locked out for the remainder of the game.  In the case of a a village, it could mean that you lose access to some supplies, tax income, or some other resource.

[themikefest]

David7204 wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Rly? Then why peoples in real life often break their morals to do what is convenient and more beneficial... 

Weakness. One or way or another, that's what it boils down to.

It's rarely more beneficial. And thus people don't benefit from their weakness - they suffer for it. Most people are not particularly happy and don't have a particularly bright outlook of the world. All they need to do is look in the mirror to discover the reason why.

Are you basing this on your own experiences?

[David7204]

I am.

[Deflagratio]

Jaulen wrote...

Deflagratio wrote...

*snip*
The choice of where to deploy the soldiers on the road is an interesting one, because it asks questions of duty and the inquisition's purpose (Which will probably be defined by the player in the end). The choice of Defending the Keep or Defending the village are both acceptable based on what you believe is the purpose of the Inquisition. On one end, you could argue that the keep is pointless if you're unwilling to protect the nearby holdings, and on another, risking the regional stability by losing the keep could have greater ramifications than one community of peasants.

*snip*

Protect the Keep at all Costs! You can always find more peasants.....don't they thrive on hard work, impossible situations, and being put upon? Also, they are rather breedy, always more waiting in the wings, maybe those alienage elves would be willing to help out.

Man, my first Inquisitor is going to be a jerk.

That's the guiding sentiment of the Brotherhood of Steel in the Fallout Universe. (Pre East-Coast Lyon's Brotherhood at least)

I'll probably botch the quote, but; "Everyone knows how to make another human, but the secret of making an A3-21 Plasma Rifle is lost to history."

[KC_Prototype]

For my canon Warden and Hawke, I chose choices that best represent what I would really do. For mage Warden and Hawke, I go for power, greed, money!

[KC_Prototype]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

SgtSteel91 wrote...

Isn't the title 'Hero' earned by the people around you after you accomplice something that would warrant it, whether it was saving their lives or catching a criminal? You can't really call yourself a Hero like it's a job description, can you?

I don't even care about being a 'hero' or a 'villain' or a 'saviour' or a 'conquerer'. I never had use for such titles.

I am what I need to be. That's all I need.

I like that. I am gonna use that in life someday

[Sylvius the Mad]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Rly? Then why peoples in real life often break their morals to do what is convenient and more beneficial...

I don't think they do.  What I think this demonstrates is that the people did a poor job of describing their own morals in advance.

How they act does reflect their morals.  They might just not admit that those are their morals.

[KC_Prototype]

themikefest wrote...

David7204 wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Rly? Then why peoples in real life often break their morals to do what is convenient and more beneficial... 

Weakness. One or way or another, that's what it boils down to.

It's rarely more beneficial. And thus people don't benefit from their weakness - they suffer for it. Most people are not particularly happy and don't have a particularly bright outlook of the world. All they need to do is look in the mirror to discover the reason why.

Are you basing this on your own experiences?

Not to go off topic but the girl in your profile pic is hot...just saying

[themikefest]

[quote]KC_Prototype wrote...

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Not to go off topic but the girl in your profile pic is hot...just saying
[/quote]

Thank you.

Its Samantha Traynor's VA Alix Wilton Regan. If interested here's her background

Modifié par themikefest, 08 janvier 2014 - 10:54 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

MasterScribe wrote...

themikefest wrote...

KC_Prototype wrote...

Not to go off topic but the girl in your profile pic is hot...just saying

Thank you.

Its Samantha Traynor's VA Alix Wilton Regan. If interested here's her background

It is a moral (or ethical?) imperative that we have some Alix Wilton Regan in DAI. 

She was already in DA:O as Ser Cauthrien, Ser Tamra, and Ser Mhairi. 

I'm pretty sure she had some roles in DA2 as well.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

KC_Prototype wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

SgtSteel91 wrote...

Isn't the title 'Hero' earned by the people around you after you accomplice something that would warrant it, whether it was saving their lives or catching a criminal? You can't really call yourself a Hero like it's a job description, can you?

I don't even care about being a 'hero' or a 'villain' or a 'saviour' or a 'conquerer'. I never had use for such titles.

I am what I need to be. That's all I need.

I like that. I am gonna use that in life someday

It's more about being whatever I need to be and do whatever I need to do in any given situation.

If I have to save a city, I'll do it. Likewise, if a situation calls for me to kill innocents, I'll do it without regret or hesitation. 

[Invisible Man]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Invisible Man wrote...

from what I've experienced from most saga driven stories is this:
taking the low road makes things easier for the short term; however, it makes the long term goal/s or action/s much more difficult, or even impossible in some cases.
where as being "good", seems to make things a little, or a lot more difficult in the short term; but in regards to the long term, things run more smoothly, and options that wouldn't have appeared otherwise seem to be opened.

that's how I see it.

Is there a practical reason to this?

I'm not sure I get what you're asking.
are you asking if my reasoning serves some purpose, or if I said it simply to say it?
or are you asking me to give examples? 
could you be asking how I came to that conclusion?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Invisible Man wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Invisible Man wrote...

from what I've experienced from most saga driven stories is this:
taking the low road makes things easier for the short term; however, it makes the long term goal/s or action/s much more difficult, or even impossible in some cases.
where as being "good", seems to make things a little, or a lot more difficult in the short term; but in regards to the long term, things run more smoothly, and options that wouldn't have appeared otherwise seem to be opened.

that's how I see it.

Is there a practical reason to this?

I'm not sure I get what you're asking.
are you asking if my reasoning serves some purpose, or if I said it simply to say it?
or are you asking me to give examples? 
could you be asking how I came to that conclusion?

Does it serve a purpose, like furthering your goals, or is it something more intrinsic. I'm kind of asking for all of the things.

[Volus Warlord]

David7204 wrote...

I'm not sure you have a good grasp of what 'morality' means.

A hero would of course lie to save innocent people. Even if a hero considering lying to be wrong (which I don't, and which thankfully few protagonists do), they would of course put the principle of saving innocents over the principle of being truthful.

Actually, they would find a way to do both simultaneously as any true hero should.

[David7204]

That's certainly on the table, yeah. They could just kill the person threatening innocent people. Or maybe beat them senseless.

[CuriousArtemis]

AutumnWitch wrote...

How do you deal with hard moral and ethical choices in the Dragon Age games that you as a person would never do in a similar situation?

I let my characters decide; my characters aren't me. For example, my Dalish Warden killed the humans in the prologue, but I would never do that.