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[K-Mart]

 This must be really old news, but after finishing the trilogy for maybe the 6th time, I've just noticed that the planet that the Normandy lands on and the planet the "Buzz" and the kid are on at the end appear to be the same . Were there any good theories on the significance of this? I guess it got me thinking about another possibility for ME4.

[Obadiah]

Originally, before the EC, it seemed to me that this was supposed to signify that a pre-space-flight civilization grew from the members of the crashed Normandy.

Modifié par Obadiah, 08 janvier 2014 - 06:03 .

[AlanC9]

A lot of people made that assumption. I always found it a little hard to reconcile that with the known facts about the relay network -- assuming you figure the Normandy was in relay transit when the wave hit, which was my impression of the cutscene. Charon's only a secondary relay, so it can't take you far from Earth.There are primaries at Arcturus, but it's inconceivable that a garden world one relay jump from Arcturus wouldn't have been colonized pretty early. For them to be really lost that would have had to be at least their third jump, maybe their fifth.

[K-Mart]

Interesting! I had thought that the scene showing the Normandy take off was showing some time in the future (presumably when the relays were fixed) and it was headed back to the citadel/Earth. Obadiah - would that mean it was simply going for a fly around the planet, as a plane would these days?

[AlanC9]

The scenes of the Normandy taking off were added in the EC.

[AlanC9]

Alpha Centauri works fine if we figure it's not a relay transit But this makes it almost impossible that the world wouldn't be contacted by Earth fairly quickly.

[TheWerdna]

StreetMagic wrote...

To me, it really seemed like they were betting on people picking Synthesis, having Adam/Eve (EDI/Joker) on a lost planet, and eons later, the Stargazer is passing down the tale. Couple this with the statement by Walters early on, when he said the "The galaxy is a wasteland", I don't think they had any plans on making this game universe playable again. Not without a colossal amount of time passing at least.

At least, the story could conveniently work that way. Even if it sucks.

Yep, but that plan got ruined by all us uncultured plebs messing up their nonsense "art"

[AlexMBrennan]

Originally, before the EC, it seemed to me that this was supposed to signify that a pre-space-flight civilization grew from the members of the crashed Normandy.

I don't think even Bioware writers would be that dumb - an adam-and-eve plot, except that there is only one of each species.

Realistically though, who cares? The crew crash on a random planet, hold a quick memorial after divining casualties via remote viewing or something and then promptly take off again.

[Wulfram]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Originally, before the EC, it seemed to me that this was supposed to signify that a pre-space-flight civilization grew from the members of the crashed Normandy.

I don't think even Bioware writers would be that dumb - an adam-and-eve plot, except that there is only one of each species.

Realistically though, who cares? The crew crash on a random planet, hold a quick memorial after divining casualties via remote viewing or something and then promptly take off again.

Hey, it's synthesis.  With synthesis, when a man and a toaster love each other very much, they can have cute little babies that make excellent teacakes.

[AlexMBrennan]

Hey, it's synthesis

Not necessarily - we get the crash and the stargazer scene regardless of the chosen ending (well, unless you pick Refuse, that is)

[MrMrPendragon]

The crew eventually made it out of the planet. So it's safe to assume they found their way back to the fleet (and found Shepard alive - in my ending)

They didn't use a relay I think. Just an FTL jump.

[Han Shot First]

Obadiah wrote...

Originally, before the EC, it seemed to me that this was supposed to signify that a pre-space-flight civilization grew from the members of the crashed Normandy.

I think that was the intent as well. Of course a virgin garden world so close to Earth doesn't make much sense, but neither does much of the content of the original endings.

I'm not sure what the stargazer scene is supposed to be after the Extended Cut. It fit with the original endings where civilization always collapsed. That isn't the case with the post-EC high EMS endings, and the Normandy no longer remains stranded.

[Han Shot First]

StreetMagic wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

I'm not sure what the stargazer scene is supposed to be after the Extended Cut. It fit with the original endings where civilization always collapsed. That isn't the case with the post-EC high EMS endings, and the Normandy no longer remains stranded.

So basically, the Extended Cut is just an elaborate way of them saying "Oh crap.. they didn't like it. What do we do now? How do we salvage an entirely different plot from this?"

In any case, I think they should've known. I remember there being similar opinions about the BSG ending too. Only that's slightly more expected, since BSG originally started as wonky Mormon inspired sci-fi series. It was bound to end crappy.

Pretty much.

Of course Bioware's official stance is that the Extended Cut didn't change the endings at all, it merely 'clarified' them. Anyone with the least bit of common sense who played through both the original and extended cut endings however, knows that's a bunch of face saving malarkey. It was a slight retcon, they just couldn't admit to it however after initially circling the wagons and defending their aristic integrity.