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[TheButterflyEffect]

I asked this before and no one would give me a straight answer.

Would or could a non-qunari mage ever be accepted as a convert?

[Wulfram]

Sure!

Now let me sew your lips together, Saarebas

[TheButterflyEffect]

Wulfram wrote...

Sure!

Now let me sew your lips together, Saarebas

So they would accept them if they agreed to be bound and shackled like all the other Qunari magi?

[Augustei]

Pretty much yes, they aren't going to let you be an exception to the rule.

[TheButterflyEffect]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Pretty much yes, they aren't going to let you be an exception to the rule.

So they would let you live under the Qun, as opposed to turning you down and killing you because you've spent your life outside of any supervision?

Would they think that a mage who submits to the Qun couldn't possibly be possessed?

Modifié par TheButterflyEffect, 08 janvier 2014 - 10:54 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

Bas Saarebas (which at the very least encompasses every Apostate) probably won't be accepted into the Qun, because the Qun would demand they die before they get the oppertunity to join. Circle Mages may not be considered Bas Saarebas, and could perhaps stand a chance to join the Qun, though I have my doubts.

[Augustei]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

Pretty much yes, they aren't going to let you be an exception to the rule.

So they would let you live under the Qun, as opposed to turning you down and killing you because you've spent your life outside of any supervision?

Would they think that a mage who submits to the Qun couldn't possibly be possessed?

Actually yeah..They would probably just kill you, the only way they likely wouldn't is if you were declared Basalit-An or something but even then it isn't certain.

[Legbiter]

I like to think that they would welcome you with open arms and consider you an inextricable part of the Qun if your first action as an upstanding member of said society was to kill yourself.

[Magdalena11]

Sorry, not wearing my glasses and hit quote instead of edit.  I kept the edited post.

Modifié par Magdalena11, 08 janvier 2014 - 12:31 .

[Magdalena11]

Magdalena11 wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

Pretty much yes, they aren't going to let you be an exception to the rule.

So they would let you live under the Qun, as opposed to turning you down and killing you because you've spent your life outside of any supervision?

Would they think that a mage who submits to the Qun couldn't possibly be possessed?

I wouldn't think so.  The Qunari waste nothing.  If a convert who came to them was a mage they wouldn't turn down a free weapon.  The mage would be collared and chained like any other saarabas.  If the convert knew enough about the Qun to want to join he or she would be aware of what joining would entail.

Edit:  As far as killing a mage because he or she might be possessed, stop trolling.  

[esper]

Magdalena11 wrote...

Magdalena11 wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

Pretty much yes, they aren't going to let you be an exception to the rule.

So they would let you live under the Qun, as opposed to turning you down and killing you because you've spent your life outside of any supervision?

Would they think that a mage who submits to the Qun couldn't possibly be possessed?

I wouldn't think so.  The Qunari waste nothing.  If a convert who came to them was a mage they wouldn't turn down a free weapon.  The mage would be collared and chained like any other saarabas.  If the convert knew enough about the Qun to want to join he or she would be aware of what joining would entail.

Edit:  As far as killing a mage because he or she might be possessed, stop trolling.  

I don't know about that. They wanted to kill Ketojan because he was unsupervised, and they wanted to kill a Hawke who gives them Ketojan because Ketojan talked to Hawke.

All on the grounds that this apperently was enough for possession.

So they might not think it a waste, but a necessity. I think they would kill an apostate who wanted to join for being unsupervised. Not sure about circle mages.

[TK514]

esper wrote...

I don't know about that. They wanted to kill Ketojan because he was unsupervised, and they wanted to kill a Hawke who gives them Ketojan because Ketojan talked to Hawke.

All on the grounds that this apperently was enough for possession.

So they might not think it a waste, but a necessity. I think they would kill an apostate who wanted to join for being unsupervised. Not sure about circle mages.

given their reaction to Merrill, which is to end the discussion with lethal force, I'm going to say they pretty much straight up kill any Mage not raised in the Qun.

The "best" case scenario is that they'd hobble the newly converted Mage, and kill everyone who that Mage spoke to in the process of converting.  The Qunari make Templars look positively negligent.

personally, I doubt a Bas Mage would get the chance to convert.  The Qunari would kill them, and any unfortunate they spoke with before dying.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

TK514 wrote...

The "best" case scenario is that they'd hobble the newly converted Mage, and kill everyone who that Mage spoke to in the process of converting.  The Qunari make Templars look positively negligent.

Negligent is what you call it when the measures the Templars aren't taking are justified. The Qun has some things to recommend it over some of the other societies, but their position on magic is just full-blown paranoia.

[Dargon Affected]

They either Kill you or use saar-qamek to turn you into a mindless husk. then shackle you,cut out your tongue, etc.

[Silent Yoker]

As a Qunari supporter its hard for me to stand by the way they treat mages.

I agree with the premise of control, adopting from the qun, but not ignorance, superstition or abuse.
I see the Qunari and chantry ways as being hypocritical to their ideals.
Templars employing cruelty and a form of blood magic to control.
While the Qunari instead of trying to experiment and understand the fade and magic they waste lives and resources upholding superstition.
The Qunari are the society I could see employing an education system not a control system, taking the Tamassrans into consideration. With training to resist temptation since birth I see no problem with mages being free in their role inside the Qun.

[Potato Cat]

Silent Yoker wrote...

As a Qunari supporter its hard for me to stand by the way they treat mages.

I agree with the premise of control, adopting from the qun, but not ignorance, superstition or abuse.
I see the Qunari and chantry ways as being hypocritical to their ideals.
Templars employing cruelty and a form of blood magic to control.
While the Qunari instead of trying to experiment and understand the fade and magic they waste lives and resources upholding superstition.
The Qunari are the society I could see employing an education system not a control system, taking the Tamassrans into consideration. With training to resist temptation since birth I see no problem with mages being free in their role inside the Qun.

As a fellow Qunari supporter, I also have problems with their treatment of mages. But I understand why they do what they do. Qunari fear mages because they fear demonic possession, loss of the self being the biggest tragedy to the Qun. By sewing lips, Saarebas can't talk to each other, therefore preventing an Uldred situation where one rebellious mage decides to corrupt other mages. So to me, the Arvaards are a necessary evil, much like the Circle and the Templars.

[TheKomandorShepard]

And yet qunari don't have so much problems with mages as others who are more "humane" than them when qunari still have problem as some of their methods are just senseless superstition they are best when it comes to handle mages...

[Loghain Mac-Tir]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

And yet qunari don't have so much problems with mages as others who are more "humane" than them when qunari still have problem as some of their methods are just senseless superstition they are best when it comes to handle mages...

dude, everyone knows that you hate mages with an intense passion.

But seriously sewing someone's mouth shut and keeping them on a collar for their whole life, does not
seem cruel to you, at all  ?

[General TSAR]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Sure!

Now let me sew your lips together, Saarebas

So they would accept them if they agreed to be bound and shackled like all the other Qunari magi?

Yes, any other ridiculous questions?

[mikeymoonshine]

Um no I think they would just kill you seeing as any Quinari mage who is freed must die along with all those found with them.

[mikeymoonshine]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

And yet qunari don't have so much problems with mages as others who are more "humane" than them when qunari still have problem as some of their methods are just senseless superstition they are best when it comes to handle mages...

Are they though? I am not a lore master but I have never heard much info on qunari society or how well their mage controlls work. They could be having kirkwall style incidents every week for all we know. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Loghain Mac-Tir wrote...

dude, everyone knows that you hate mages with an intense passion.

But seriously sewing someone's mouth shut and keeping them on a collar for their whole life, does not
seem cruel to you, at all  ?

I don't hate mages so if someone is wrong i think that mages simple are too dangerous for entire world and cause too much problems much more they are worth it so simple i want get of rid danger and problem...

Do i want kill mages because they are mages well i have to say yes as because being mage makes them automatically are "danger and problem" but same fate to humans , elves and anything that are danger and problem...

As i said above qunari have some foolish superstitions and at least in some part are drived by fear and hate toward mages so i see sewing mages mouth as pointless just simple don't care if sewing anyone mouth not only mages would provide benefit i don't see problem with doing that as long it is not me...

mikeymoonshine wrote...

Are they though? I am not a lore
master but I have never heard much info on qunari society or how well
their mage controlls work. They could be having kirkwall style incidents
every week for all we know. 

Yep they are but I could argue that safer doesn't mean safe because i hold opinion that mages can't be controled even qunari despite method can't control qunari mages entirely as dragon age redemption shows thats why i vote for killing them and well thats better than sewing their mouth for mages so it is even more humane .

As far i saw only 1 qunari mage that caused problems in 2 games and  huge numbers of theodasian mages causing problems...

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 24 février 2014 - 02:57 .

[KaiserShep]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
...i don't see problem with doing that as long it is not me...

And that's really what it comes down to.

[TheKomandorShepard]

KaiserShep wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
...i don't see problem with doing that as long it is not me...

And that's really what it comes down to.

peoples kill but or because don't want be killed
peoples steal (pick your way) but they don't want to be robbed
peoples lie but don't want be lied
peoples hurt but don't want to be harmed

[General TSAR]

Actually, the Qunari are geniuses in that they treat their walking WMDs as WMDs.