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[Star fury]

You do NOT bump thebutterflyeffect's threads!

[Veruin]

mikeymoonshine wrote...

Are they though? I am not a lore master but I have never heard much info on qunari society or how well their mage controlls work. They could be having kirkwall style incidents every week for all we know.

Seeing as how the sareebas reacts in DA2 when you free him, along with those control rods of theirs, I'm going to go out on a limb and say the Qunari don't have those problems.

[KaiserShep]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
...i don't see problem with doing that as long it is not me...

And that's really what it comes down to.

peoples kill but or because don't want be killed
peoples steal (pick your way) but they don't want to be robbed
peoples lie but don't want be lied
peoples hurt but don't want to be harmed

I get it. Empathy is for suckers. Everything is A-OK, so long as it's not happening to yours truly.

[Loghain Mac-Tir]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...


I don't hate mages so if someone is wrong i think that mages simple are too dangerous for entire world and cause too much problems much more they are worth it so simple i want get of rid danger and problem...

Do i want kill mages because they are mages well i have to say yes as because being mage makes them automatically are "danger and problem" but same fate to humans , elves and anything that are danger and problem...

As i said above qunari have some foolish superstitions and at least in some part are drived by fear and hate toward mages so i see sewing mages mouth as pointless just simple don't care if sewing anyone mouth not only mages would provide benefit i don't see problem with doing that as long it is not me...

While 'Kill all mages' solution could be a little sociopathic, I like to consider myself Ruthless Pragmatic if need be

But that does not mean, Mages will be completely exterminated, new mages will still be born from the womb of a non mage.

Unless you are suggesting murdering little babies for showing magical potency. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

KaiserShep wrote...

I get it. Empathy is for suckers. Everything is A-OK, so long as it's not happening to yours truly.

yep there is a reason why peoples throw it to the garbage when situation is difficult.

Loghain Mac-Tir wrote...

While 'Kill all mages' solution could be a little sociopathic, I like to consider myself Ruthless Pragmatic if need be

But that does not mean, Mages will be completely exterminated, new mages will still be born from the womb of a non mage.

Unless you are suggesting murdering little babies for showing magical potency. 

Well i know that i won't be able kill all mages just most mages but now templars instead watching them in tower will focus on hunting mages... 

Well i don't see babies as problem i mean baby or adult both can die , baby even easier.

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 24 février 2014 - 03:17 .

[Loghain Mac-Tir]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Well i don't see babies as problem i mean baby or adult both can die , baby even easier.

Does the word 'insane' mean anything to you?

[TheKomandorShepard]

Loghain Mac-Tir wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Well i don't see babies as problem i mean baby or adult both can die , baby even easier.

Does the word 'insane' mean anything to you?

Yep but now you mistaken insanity with lack of morality insane would be just slash baby for no reason and laugh because of it when killing baby bomb that can exploed at any moment well lets say thats is not insanity rather will to survive...

[mikeymoonshine]

Veruin wrote...

mikeymoonshine wrote...

Are they though? I am not a lore master but I have never heard much info on qunari society or how well their mage controlls work. They could be having kirkwall style incidents every week for all we know.

Seeing as how the sareebas reacts in DA2 when you free him, along with those control rods of theirs, I'm going to go out on a limb and say the Qunari don't have those problems.

One example doesn't really show us much and we already know that there are allot of Qunari who reject the Qun, why wouldn't some of them be mages?  Anyway not every mage agrees to be posessed some are tricked into it and some are forced. 

[mikeymoonshine]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

mikeymoonshine wrote...

Are they though? I am not a lore
master but I have never heard much info on qunari society or how well
their mage controlls work. They could be having kirkwall style incidents
every week for all we know. 

Yep they are but I could argue that safer doesn't mean safe because i hold opinion that mages can't be controled even qunari despite method can't control qunari mages entirely as dragon age redemption shows thats why i vote for killing them and well thats better than sewing their mouth for mages so it is even more humane .

As far i saw only 1 qunari mage that caused problems in 2 games and  huge numbers of theodasian mages causing problems... 

You kind of just argued my point for me, they obviously can't completely control mages even with their strict methods. We don't know how well their methods works because we don't know very much about qunari society. 

There has only been 1 qunari mage character (and a few enemy npc's) in both those two games so how is that comparison even relevent? 

[Laughing_Man]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

peoples kill but or because don't want be killed
peoples steal (pick your way) but they don't want to be robbed
peoples lie but don't want be lied
peoples hurt but don't want to be harmed

How very sociopathic to justify everything that is abominable that way.

One thing is for certain, the people *I* know - don't murder, rape, rob, steal, and commit other acts of extreme violence. (And no, violence as self defence does not count.)


@OP

I'm curious, why would you even want to know the answer (and there probably isn't a clear one) to this question?
RP'ing? Seems to me that a mage needs to be more or less insane to accept the tender mercies of the qunari.

[Loghain Mac-Tir]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Loghain Mac-Tir wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Well i don't see babies as problem i mean baby or adult both can die , baby even easier.

Does the word 'insane' mean anything to you?

Yep but now you mistaken insanity with lack of morality insane would be just slash baby for no reason and laugh because of it when killing baby bomb that can exploed at any moment well lets say thats is not insanity rather will to survive...

There is that, being evil for the sake of being evil (those guys are dull)

But, just because you have your whole nine points on 'why is it ok to kill little babies', does not make you any matter than a villain who kills For the evulz.

I do appreciate a person who can explain the reason for their brutality, but more often than not, these guys are just your run-of-the-mill villains who satiate their bloodthirst and pretty it up by giving it a cause.

No, you wont be killing little babies because of your will to survive, you would do it, because you have no soul. 

[Laughing_Man]

Loghain Mac-Tir wrote...

There is that, being evil for the sake of being evil (those guys are dull)

But, just because you have your whole nine points on 'why is it ok to kill little babies', does not make you any matter than a villain who kills For the evulz.

I do appreciate a person who can explain the reason for their brutality, but more often than not, these guys are just your run-of-the-mill villains who satiate their bloodthirst and pretty it up by giving it a cause.

No, you wont be killing little babies because of your will to survive, you would do it, because you have no soul. 

"Reasons" for brutality and murder are always there.
Ask any murderer or war criminal.

[Loghain Mac-Tir]

TheRedVipress wrote...

Loghain Mac-Tir wrote...

There is that, being evil for the sake of being evil (those guys are dull)

But, just because you have your whole nine points on 'why is it ok to kill little babies', does not make you any matter than a villain who kills For the evulz.

I do appreciate a person who can explain the reason for their brutality, but more often than not, these guys are just your run-of-the-mill villains who satiate their bloodthirst and pretty it up by giving it a cause.

No, you wont be killing little babies because of your will to survive, you would do it, because you have no soul. 

"Reasons" for brutality and murder are always there.
Ask any murderer or war criminal.

Well, If they were comitting mass genocide, I am sure they had their 'reasons'. But let's ignore the crazies, whose reasons are usually, they call their gods 'a' while I call them 'b'. Not caring that they are the same entity, provided that they existed in the first place.

I am talking about Grey Morality, Choices that makes you ask 'Is this price worth the outcome'

For example, if they had something in DAII that you can save your mother if you allow gascard to commit blood magic by sacrificing an innocent (something along the lines of Isolde in DA:O)

I believe one of the devs said something about DA:I morality 

A situation in which you can argue in favor of two different decisions, without feeling like a sociopath (not like ME, no sir, not like ME at all)

[Navasha]

I would go with no myself. The Qun only seems to tolerate those mages that developed their powers under the Qun. They are used as a tool and not as a citizen. You don't accept your 'hammer' as part of your society. So there is no "converting". If they believe they could use you in some manner as they would any tool, perhaps, but only if the gain outweighed the potential danger.

I would imagine they would view most outside mages as little more than a live hand grenade being handed to them, they would eventually go off. The only use they would likely have for that is to toss it back at their enemies as quickly as possible or kill it outright.

[KaiserShep]

Loghain Mac-Tir wrote...

For example, if they had something in DAII that you can save your mother if you allow gascard to commit blood magic by sacrificing an innocent (something along the lines of Isolde in DA:O)

An interesting dilemma. I suspect that I would do fairly awful things if it meant saving my own mother, so I can see something like this working.

[Beerfish]

This would be a big test for the Qun as a whole to see how rigid they are to the betterment of their race and their goals.

They got beat down because some of the nations of thedas used 'wreckless' mages to turn the tide of a war.

They have observed both the warden and Hawke as mages that had massive influence and power.

Do they stick hard and fast to their rules? Or do they bend them to achieve their overall goals?

[Loghain Mac-Tir]

KaiserShep wrote...

Loghain Mac-Tir wrote...

For example, if they had something in DAII that you can save your mother if you allow gascard to commit blood magic by sacrificing an innocent (something along the lines of Isolde in DA:O)

An interesting dilemma. I suspect that I would do fairly awful things if it meant saving my own mother, so I can see something like this working.

Yes, It does seem a little unbalanced

Life of a Compete Stranger vs Life of your Mother (who could very well be your only remaining family)

My point is there should be decisions that  can challange the very fabric of your moral character. 

And not choices like "kill that guy to gain 10 'Evulz' point".

[TheKomandorShepard]

mikeymoonshine wrote...


You kind of just argued my point for me, they obviously can't completely control mages even with their strict methods. We don't know how well their methods works because we don't know very much about qunari society. 

There has only been 1 qunari mage character (and a few enemy npc's) in both those two games so how is that comparison even relevent? 

I know but i never said they can control them completelythem as mages can't be controled completely  every mage at any moment can snap out and become wild and destructive creature called abomnation that can't be controled as no one can enforce control over it and even if some tried ended badly... another argument is that humans can't be controled either because simple there will always be criminals despite law and consequences and simple mages are too dangerous to deal with their consequences corruption or just stupidity...

We saw qunari mages who were little more than puppets only 1 caused problems and even gregoir said that qunari don't have such problems as templars...

TheRedVipress wrote...

How very sociopathic to justify everything that is abominable that way.

One
thing is for certain, the people *I* know - don't murder, rape, rob,
steal, and commit other acts of extreme violence. (And no, violence as
self defence does not count.)


@OP

I'm curious, why would you even want to know the answer (and there probably isn't a clear one) to this question?
RP'ing? Seems to me that a mage needs to be more or less insane to accept the tender mercies of the qunari.

Hmm im not trying justify that just don't care...

no you just think that they don't murder , rape , rob etc but you don't know im sure that you did something to other person that you wouldn't want someone did to you even if you don't realize that... 

Well thats my opinion but i rp such character as well if i can i use that philosophy in game

Loghain Mac-Tir wrote...


There is that, being evil for the sake of being evil (those guys are dull)

But,
just because you have your whole nine points on 'why is it ok to kill
little babies', does not make you any matter than a villain who kills
For the evulz.

I do appreciate a person who can explain the
reason for their brutality, but more often than not, these guys are just
your run-of-the-mill villains who satiate their bloodthirst and pretty
it up by giving it a cause.

No, you wont be killing little babies because of your will to survive, you would do it, because you have no soul. 

I don't mind evil for sake evil because simple many peoples do "bad" things to others just for fun or pleasure...

Money or benefit or just simple fun or pleasure are reasons to do bad things as other and doing that same for "greater good" isn't better reason than things above outside morality and well eventually leads to reasons above...

i could connor because he was obstacle for me as well mages childrens in circle because they were obstacle for me don't see problem...

eh your morality or society morality doesn't touch me you or society may see that as evil but for me kill adult just for survival is same as kill children for survival...

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 24 février 2014 - 04:05 .

[NorwegianPirate]

Veruin wrote...

mikeymoonshine wrote...

Are they though? I am not a lore master but I have never heard much info on qunari society or how well their mage controlls work. They could be having kirkwall style incidents every week for all we know.

Seeing as how the sareebas reacts in DA2 when you free him, along with those control rods of theirs, I'm going to go out on a limb and say the Qunari don't have those problems.

The qunari really go to great lengths to keep their mages in check. It's a bit odd to me that they don't simply do it the Alrik way and make all the mages tranquil from the get-go if they're so terrified of them.

[Loghain Mac-Tir]

I don't mind evil for sake evil because simple many peoples do "bad" things to others just for fun or pleasure...

And you have no  problem with that, good to know. 

Money or benefit or just simple fun or pleasure are reasons to do bad things as other and doing that same for "greater good" isn't better reason than things above outside morality and well eventually leads to reasons above...

I have no earthly Idea what you mean, would you kindly explain.

i could connor because he was obstacle for me as well mages childrens in circle because they were obstacle for me don't see problem... 

eh your morality or society morality doesn't touch me you or society may see that as evil but for me kill adult just for survival is same as kill children for survival...

But those children or any mage child poses no threat to you, So you are not killing for survival.

And If you have no conscience to keep you in check, Then you are either trolling or you are one messed up guy.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Nah... He is just gritty and cool. Like most 12 year olds.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Loghain Mac-Tir wrote...
chop

1.Nope you never did or said something di**** to someone because i doubt that... 
2.Killing is killing , rape is rape , stealing is stealing no matter if you do that for money , fun or "necessary evil"
(which means doing something bad for own benefit and is used as justification not reason)...
whether it is evil or not put morality here everyone have different...
3.Of course they did not only in current moment but also they are even bigger threat and others in future so yep so im killing for survival...

And what is problem with no conscience?

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Nah... He is just gritty and cool. Like most 12 year olds.

Hmm lol it isn't that i will be loved for that attitude;) so you were trying to act cool not me...

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 24 février 2014 - 04:24 .

[KaiserShep]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

And what is problem with no conscience?

If such a question must be asked, you're either a lunatic or trolling.

[Nuloen]

qunari arvaarad said corrupted not possessed, why do you guys think it has to be possession
but
there must be something more dangerous about Kossith mages
becouse if other mages could corrupt them too qunari would just lock up them selves on theyre island and never go away again
maybe kossith mages are somehow connected to Old Gods, or they hear the calling of animal gods they have once prayed to (dragons included)

XxDeonxX wrote...

Pretty much yes, they aren't going to let you be an exception to the rule.

Tevinter slaves can be qunari and still be slaves to theyre masters, they are freed of theyre purpose
i think Qun means purpose it would make some sense
victory is in the Qun
victory is in Purpose(fullfilling your purpose)

[EmperorSahlertz]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Nah... He is just gritty and cool. Like most 12 year olds.

Hmm lol it isn't that i will be loved for that attitude;) so you were trying to act cool not me...

I don't have to act though.