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[Grieving Natashina]

Yep but now you mistaken insanity with lack of morality insane would be just slash baby for no reason and laugh because of it when killing baby bomb that can exploed at any moment well lets say thats is not insanity rather will to survive...

 

No mistake Komandor.  There is a term for a lack of morals and it is considered a mental illness.  It is possible to have no morals, be functional in society and completely off of your rocker.

 

It goes by two names: Psychopathy and Antisocial personality disorder.

 

On topic: Unlike some of the other roles of the Qun, I really can't imagine any mage that wasn't born into the Qunari lining up to join them.  I sure as hell wouldn't if I was a mage.

[Loghain Mac-Tir]

yep but also allow you sleep better...

The fact that you have used "evil face "   tells me that you are little more than a child who thinks being evil is ''awesome''.

[ReadingRambo220]

I've been replaying DA 2, and noticed qunari say they understand the dangers of magic better than Templars, which leads me to believe something bad-magey happened in their history. Perhaps why they left their homeland?

[TheKomandorShepard]

 

No mistake Komandor.  There is a term for a lack of morals and it is considered a mental illness.  It is possible to have no morals, be functional in society and completely off of your rocker.

 

It goes by two names: Psychopathy and Antisocial personality disorder.

 

On topic: Unlike some of the other roles of the Qun, I really can't imagine any mage that wasn't born into the Qunari lining up to join them.  I sure as hell wouldn't if I was a mage.

 

 

It is not completely true when yes sociopaths and psychopaths have that characteristics not every person who don't have morals is one of them as not every person is driven by morality.

 

The fact that you have used "evil face "   tells me that you are little more than a child who thinks being evil is ''awesome''.

 

Hmm as i said i don't put thing to bag evil or good unless we are discuss fictional work where things are clear what is evil so i would see that rather as devil face. If you ask if i think that im awsome sure i think but not because im "evil" unless you think im evil because i have certain opinion on life then well...

[Nuloen]

this is for TheComandorShepard

 

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those templars(guardians of order back there) didnt stand a chance

[TheKomandorShepard]

this is for TheComandorShepard

 

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those templars(guardians of order back there) didnt stand a chance

 

Yes and then templars turn off his magic then he stared whine that he is innocent and templars don't care about his excuses and kicked his ass thats what you get for playing tough toward stronger than you     

[TheLittleBird]

Yes and then templars turn off his magic then he stared whine that he is innocent and templars don't care about his excuses and kicked his ass thats what you get for playing tough toward stronger than you     

 

The templars turn off his magic?! Hell, why not......

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

Hmm as i said i don't put thing to bag evil or good unless we are discuss fictional work where things are clear what is evil so i would see that rather as devil face. If you ask if i think that im awsome sure i think but not because im "evil" unless you think im evil because i have certain opinion on life then well...

Alright then, let's try an experiment. Let's pretend mages were real and were exactly the same as they are in the DA universe. Would you still advocate genocide if this wasn't a fictional world?

[TheLittleBird]

Alright then, let's try an experiment. Let's pretend mages were real and were exactly the same as they are in the DA universe. Would you still advocate genocide if this wasn't a fictional world?

 

Well of course he will. I don't think he is really willing or able look at it in a 'real' way.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Alright then, let's try an experiment. Let's pretend mages were real and were exactly the same as they are in the DA universe. Would you still advocate genocide if this wasn't a fictional world?

 

lol what is that question i would want it even more as my life would be in danger as well existence of the world (well not rly as with modern technology we would deal with even more powerful abomnations but damage caused by abomantions would be still hefty and even corrupted mage would be danger)... and no im not Hitler descendant because mages aren't jews and don't try paint them as innocent victims...

 

 

 

Well of course he will. I don't think he is really willing or able look at it in a 'real' way.

 

What mean in real way so that i don't want die because 1 mage would turn into abomnation and create army of undead isn't real way? I can assure you that most pro-mages would quickly shape into pro-templars or anti-mages mindset if mages were real because danger as well would be real...

[DarthLaxian]

Negligent is what you call it when the measures the Templars aren't taking are justified. The Qun has some things to recommend it over some of the other societies, but their position on magic is just full-blown paranoia.

and the templar position isn't? - i mean, they were created to PROTECT the non-mages, not to act as wardens (in mage prisons), but they are not protecting (at least not as their first objective IMHO), they are oppressing and controlling and killing at their leasure (if there is a bad knight-commander or knight-captain, then the circles become places of fear and terror, not save-heavens and locations for mage training (that is needed and should be enforced, but not like it was done with the templars and the chantry involved!)) because the chantry seems unable (or unwilling?) to controll their attack dogs (hell, it is shown that they can not hold the leash properly because the templars rebelled in order to fight the mages, when the divine herself sought another option!)

 

as for a mage joining the Qun? - Probably not, they would just assume that he/she learned all the wrong stuff (by being able to learn at all and - oh wounder - by being allowed to talk to people (normals but even worse: others of their kind!)) and kill them on the spot (they might offer them suicide as an option though) because they can't be sure a mage not brought up in their (even more brutal and inhumane system - which is why I try my best to put an end to them (i do accept people abandoning the Qun though) - compared to the templars) society, with their (barbaric!) rules and ideals will be able to accept living like they want him/her to (moth sown shut (question: how do they eat stuff, with those stiches and don't those get infected etc.?), not being allowed to talk, use their magic etc.)...bah, savages!

 

greetings LAX

[TheLittleBird]

What mean in real way so that i don't want die because 1 mage would turn into abomnation and create army of undead isn't real way? I can assure you that most pro-mages would quickly shape into pro-templars or anti-mages mindset if mages were real because danger as well would be real...

What I  mean is that you wouldn't look at it as if this were a real-life situation. 'Real' in that sense. That we're talking about human beings here, about people being porn with powers they did not ask for, and templars having to control them, struggling with their morals. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

lol what is that question i would want it even more as my life would be in danger as well existence of the world (well not rly as with modern technology we would deal with even more powerful abomnations but damage caused by abomantions would be still hefty and even corrupted mage would be danger)... and no im not Hitler descendant because mages aren't jews and don't try paint them as innocent victims...

 

No, I will paint them as innocent victims because most of them HAVE NOT DONE ANYTHING! That is the exact definition of the term innocent. If we were kill off groups of people for the actions of a few of that group, humanity would have gone extinct millennium ago. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

What I  mean is that you wouldn't look at it as if this were a real-life situation. 'Real' in that sense. That we're talking about human beings here, about people being porn with powers they did not ask for, and templars having to control them, struggling with their morals. 

 

Why not? When situation is difficult peoples forget about morals and do nasty stuff because it is beneficial... peoples were killing other peoples because simple they had other opinion or religion and many others reasons...

 

Simple not many templars had morals and those who had ended fooled and leting mages cause harm so no thanks for that...

 

I don't blame mages because they are born that way i see them as simple problem and many in thedas suffered because of them...

 

 

No, I will paint them as innocent victims because most of them HAVE NOT DONE ANYTHING! That is the exact definition of the term innocent. If we were kill off groups of people for the actions of a few of that group, humanity would have gone extinct millennium ago. 

 

There is no such thing as an innocent man everyone have something behind ears or would do something if not consequences like law as in world might makes right and i doubt that society is mighter than abomnation he would just go screw the law...

 

Please don't compare mages to normal humans and yes peoples killed each other for so many reasons that you don't even know sometimes it had a purpose sometimes it was they are different in mages case we have "they are dangerous" and lets say that peoples often were killing because of that and it was beneficial...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

There is no such thing as an innocent man everyone have something behind ears or would do something if not consequences like law as in world might makes right and i doubt that society is mighter than abomnation he would just go screw the law...

 

Please don't compare mages to normal humans and yes peoples killed each other for so many reasons that you don't even know sometimes it had a purpose sometimes it was they are different in mages case we have "they are dangerous" and lets say that peoples often were killing because of that and it was beneficial...

If you believe that, you better turn yourself into the police right now since you are guilty. 

 

And sure, an abomination is guilty. And abominations are less than 1% of mages. So the 99% should be killed on what, a possibility of them becoming one? We argued this before, if that is the case then all people should be arrested and/or killed because they may kill someone. Oh wait, you said that was stupid, countering your own beliefs.

[TheLittleBird]

Why not? When situation is difficult peoples forget about morals and do nasty stuff because it is beneficial... peoples were killing other peoples because simple they had other opinion or religion and many others reasons...

 

Simple not many templars had morals and those who had ended fooled and leting mages cause harm so no thanks for that...

 

I don't blame mages because they are born that way i see them as simple problem and many in thedas suffered because of them...

 

Okay, so let's deport all followers of the Islam out of the USA and other western countries because they could all be terrorists. (A certain politician in my country actually wants this). I am saying that to prove a point here. I wouldn't want to start a discussion on this real-world topic.

So you don't see mages as people, I take it? You're the guy who tramples over all the ants because they are a nuisance and you don't see them as living creatures? Mages  being born that way was my argument in saying that well, it doesn't have to be their fault. There are mages, like Wynne for example,who acknowledge the risk they pose and embrace the concept of Circles of Magi. And my point about Templars being morally conflicted is about the fact that when they kill a mage, they:

 

a. Destroy a potential threat to innocent lives.

b. But also kill a human (or elf or Qunari, but I'm sticking with human for now) being.

 

Look, there's a big chance you won't find any Templar that really loves to act upon the Right of Annulnment. Maybe Meredith, yes, and if you'd look real hard across all of Thedas you might find a handful of likeminded. All I'm saying is that Templars are people, and generally people just don't find joy in killing people (not counting socio- and psychopaths). 

 

[TheKomandorShepard]

If you believe that, you better turn yourself into the police right now since you are guilty. 

 

And sure, an abomination is guilty. And abominations are less than 1% of mages. So the 99% should be killed on what, a possibility of them becoming one? We argued this before, if that is the case then all people should be arrested and/or killed because they may kill someone. Oh wait, you said that was stupid, countering your own beliefs.

 

Why i should do that even if im breaking law such action would be simple stupid... oh we are talking about what is innocent by law or just about human nature? Well i can quickly change law that says mages are guilty now they are guilty according to law see im very flexible.

 

1 %? yeah we saw for example circle in ferelden ups bad example then maybe circle in kirkwall ups bad example abomnation galore not rly 1 % and made list damage caused by mages... 

 

1.7 blights..

2.Zathrian curse

3.Connor possession

4.Uldred rebelion

5.velanna killing humans

6.Avernus demons

7.Baroness

8.First tevinter empire and damage and suffering caused by them...

9.Second tevinter empire and damage and suffering caused by them...

10.Meredith sister incident...

11.Grace and her insanity including other blood mages with her

12.Tarohne and her abomnation creating fabric including other blood mages with her 

13.Grace boyfriend and another blood mages creating army of undead.

14.Blood mages trying take over the world by using dragons...

15.Qunari mage try destroy world by summoning army of demons.

16.Quentin insanity and necromancy

17.Huon as abomnation

18.Evelina as abomnation

19.Titus trying take over the world

20.Count every abomnation in history and every blood mage or mage causing disaster...

 

Most of that are incidents from 10 years timeline and from perspective 2 peoples in 1 country and 1 city...

[Master Warder Z_]

I actually wish White Thedas would adopt a few Qunari Policies at least when it comes to Mages and Magic.

 

They take far more seriously then the majority of their Thedosian counterparts and that needs to be rectified.

[TheLittleBird]

Why i should do that even if im breaking law such action would be simple stupid... oh we are talking about what is innocent by law or just about human nature? Well i can quickly change law that says mages are guilty now they are guilty according to law see im very flexible.

 

1 %? yeah we saw for example circle in ferelden ups bad example then maybe circle in kirkwall ups bad example abomnation galore not rly 1 % and made list damage caused by mages... 

 

1.7 blights..

2.Zathrian curse

3.Connor possession

4.Uldred rebelion

5.velanna killing humans

6.Avernus demons

7.Baroness

8.First tevinter empire and damage and suffering caused by them...

9.Second tevinter empire and damage and suffering caused by them...

10.Meredith sister incident...

11.Grace and her insanity including other blood mages with her

12.Tarohne and her abomnation creating fabric including other blood mages with her 

13.Grace boyfriend and another blood mages creating army of undead.

14.Blood mages trying take over the world by using dragons...

15.Qunari mage try destroy world by summoning army of demons.

16.Quentin insanity and necromancy

17.Huon as abomnation

18.Evelina as abomnation

19.Titus trying take over the world

20.Count every abomnation in history and every blood mage or mage causing disaster...

 

Most of that are incidents from 10 years timeline and from perspective 2 peoples in 1 country and 1 city...

 

Not this list again.... *sigh*

Well, legends and stories and game narratives tend to focus mostly on the bad stuff, am I right? It is 5 Blights by the way, the last two haven't happened yet.
But I mean, do you really think giving examples out of the two games will help prove your point? Whatever that may be? (Mage genocide, I take it.) Ofcourse these games focusing on the bad stuff. Would be awful broing if they focused on the full 99% that was mentioned before as well.

"Well yes, First Enchanter, that was excellent work back there in that cave. You seemed to have everything under control and talk those bandits out of it while I watched, never once using a spell or forbidden Blood Magic."
"Thank you Hawke, you watching me was very helpful. Here is two sovereigns."
*Quest completed*

[Hanako Ikezawa]

@Kommandor

 

And if I listed the hundreds, nay thousands of things that nonmages did that harmed others, would you accept that or handwave it away?

[TheKomandorShepard]

 

Okay, so let's deport all followers of the Islam out of the USA and other western countries because they could all be terrorists. (A certain politician in my country actually wants this). I am saying that to prove a point here. I wouldn't want to start a discussion on this real-world topic.

So you don't see mages as people, I take it? You're the guy who tramples over all the ants because they are a nuisance and you don't see them as living creatures? Mages  being born that way was my argument in saying that well, it doesn't have to be their fault. There are mages, like Wynne for example,who acknowledge the risk they pose and embrace the concept of Circles of Magi. And my point about Templars being morally conflicted is about the fact that when they kill a mage, they:

 

a. Destroy a potential threat to innocent lives.

b. But also kill a human (or elf or Qunari, but I'm sticking with human for now) being.

 

Look, there's a big chance you won't find any Templar that really loves to act upon the Right of Annulnment. Maybe Meredith, yes, and if you'd look real hard across all of Thedas you might find a handful of likeminded. All I'm saying is that Templars are people, and generally people just don't find joy in killing people (not counting socio- and psychopaths). 

 

 

 

Don't see problem here if most of them dangerous they should do that if they aren't i don't care about their faith or country...

 

Do i see mages as person and human yes but i see them as extremely dangerous person and human so we can't compare them to normal person beyond mages fuction same as most peoples in many ways so mage or not if person/race/religion/whatever is such danger as they are i don't see problem with removing it... Wynne is possessed so another bad example true she wasn't horrible despite possession but in asunder it had nasty effects on her that could be extremely dangerous for environment and world so she would end as another mage who caused another disaster unwillingly...

 

That shouldn't be moral conflict they should their job and be trained from the youngest age to be completely ruthless when dealing with mages such peoples as thrask should be kicked out from templars and any templar helping mage... their job is protect world from mages as far they sucked in doing that...

[TheLittleBird]

Don't see problem here if most of them dangerous they should do that if they aren't i don't care about their faith or country...

 

Do i see mages as person and human yes but i see them as extremely dangerous person and human so we can't compare them to normal person beyond mages fuction same as most peoples in many ways so mage or not if person/race/religion/whatever is such danger as they are i don't see problem with removing it... Wynne is possessed so another bad example true she wasn't horrible despite possession but in asunder it had nasty effects on her that could be extremely dangerous for environment and world so she would end as another mage who caused another disaster unwillingly...

 

That shouldn't be moral conflict they should their job and be trained from the youngest age to be completely ruthless when dealing with mages such peoples as thrask should be kicked out from templars and any templar helping mage... their job is protect world from mages as far they sucked in doing that...

 

Well then let's make everyone Tranquill and be done with it then.

 

......

 

Never have I seen you talk about human emotions. About thinking as Templars and Mages as people, with feelings and relationships and reason and capability to love. I see you plea for Templars to be Terminators, you see Mages as live grenades, with their pins pulled out, in a humanoid form.

 

Well excuse me for a moment, I have to shake Hanako's hand.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well excuse me for a moment, I have to shake Hanako's hand.

Why do you need to shake my hand?

[TheLittleBird]

Why do you need to shake my hand?

For the image that isn't there anymore. Of the implied facepalm. That was by you, wasn't it?