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A 'bomb-pumped laser' is something that at least actually exists, although comes up with a set of problems that make it seriously impractical for much of anything aside from perhaps single-use defences or something. A 'bomb-pumped laser warhead' makes no sense at all. It's basically just saying a 'laser-bomb.'It's garbled nonsense.

Modifié par David7204, 10 janvier 2014 - 09:43 .


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David7204 wrote...

A laser-guided bomb is not a bomb-pumped laser. Having a bomb-pumped guiding laser makes no sense.


The man did give a link David. Maybe you should read it.

Edit: A lot of naming conventions don't make sense. We use the term 'imaginary number' a lot, when the numbers aren't imaginary. Technology has similar terminology.

Modifié par ImaginaryMatter, 10 janvier 2014 - 09:45 .


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David7204 wrote...

No, I really don't think he does. He seems to think this is some of sort of bomb that releases lasers.



::facepalm::

Project Excalibur


Limited accounts in the unclassified press indicate that the device consisted of a small nuclear device surrounded by multiple rods made of a material that served as an x-ray gain medium, releasing x-rays when "pumped" by incident photons.  Each rod would function as a separate x-ray laser. The x-ray laser would be optically pumped by the extremely high density of high energy photons that appear in the first nanoseconds of a nuclear detonation. The pumped medium would emit a pulse of coherent x-rays, in the direction of the long axis of the rod.  Unlike optical lasers, in which the light is reflected by mirrors at the ends and makes multiple passes through the gain medium, in the x-ray laser the x-ray pulse is generated in a single pass through the rod.  The calculations showed that the extremely high gain and high energy pulse from the lasers would occur before the detonation destroyed the lasers and the rest of the satellite. If large numbers of gain media rods were used, each pre-aligned to point at a missile, then a large number of missiles could be destroyed in one fell swoop.


Sounds like a weapon that could penetrate kinetic energy barriers and do serious damage to both organic and synthetic materials, wouldn't you say?

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Well, I know anyone who played full paragon and full renegade don't.

In between is where things get interesting.


Until it felt bi-polar


I dunno, I really enjoyed my 45/55 renegon Shepard in ME3. 

Modifié par dreamgazer, 10 janvier 2014 - 09:44 .


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iakus wrote...

David7204 wrote...

No, I really don't think he does. He seems to think this is some of sort of bomb that releases lasers.



::facepalm::

Project Excalibur


Limited accounts in the unclassified press indicate that the device consisted of a small nuclear device surrounded by multiple rods made of a material that served as an x-ray gain medium, releasing x-rays when "pumped" by incident photons.  Each rod would function as a separate x-ray laser. The x-ray laser would be optically pumped by the extremely high density of high energy photons that appear in the first nanoseconds of a nuclear detonation. The pumped medium would emit a pulse of coherent x-rays, in the direction of the long axis of the rod.  Unlike optical lasers, in which the light is reflected by mirrors at the ends and makes multiple passes through the gain medium, in the x-ray laser the x-ray pulse is generated in a single pass through the rod.  The calculations showed that the extremely high gain and high energy pulse from the lasers would occur before the detonation destroyed the lasers and the rest of the satellite. If large numbers of gain media rods were used, each pre-aligned to point at a missile, then a large number of missiles could be destroyed in one fell swoop.


Sounds like a weapon that could penetrate kinetic energy barriers and do serious damage to both organic and synthetic materials, wouldn't you say?


He's just going to accuse you of going onto the wiki and changing it you know. 

And then proudly proclaim (like he did in another thread a few hours ago) that somebody isn't right referring to something because he wrote a part of the page.

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iakus wrote...

Sounds like a weapon that could penetrate kinetic energy barriers and do serious damage to both organic and synthetic materials, wouldn't you say?

Aside from the fact that pretty much anything with enough energy is capable of doing damage, no. Not even slightly. Iakus, you're kidding yourself. You have no idea what half of these words mean.

Modifié par David7204, 10 janvier 2014 - 09:47 .


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dreamgazer wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Well, I know anyone who played full paragon and full renegade don't.

In between is where things get interesting.


Until it felt bi-polar


I dunno, I really enjoyed my 45/55 renegon Shepard in ME3. 


ME3 made it feel kind of bipolar for me. I didn't like how I could play him. Of course, I couldn't do many of the things I wanted to do.

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David7204 wrote...

A 'bomb-pumped laser' is something that at least actually exists, although comes up with a set of problems that make it seriously impractical for much of anything aside from perhaps single-use defences or something. A 'bomb-pumped laser warhead' makes no sense at all. It's basically just saying a 'laser-bomb.'It's garbled nonsense.


Yes, put the nuke and the rods in a missile warhead, launch missile at target, missile blows up when it reaches target.  X-rays cook target.

Yes, missile are generally single-use weapons.  The Alliance would ned a lot of them.

It's not rocket science.  Well, maybe it is, a little Image IPB

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David7204 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Sounds like a weapon that could penetrate kinetic energy barriers and do serious damage to both organic and synthetic materials, wouldn't you say?


Aside from the fact that pretty much anything with enough energy is capable of doing damage, no. Not even slightly. Iakus, you're kidding yourself. You have no idea what half of these words mean.


Explain you're conclusion David. All you're doing is curling into a ball and proclaiming that it 'can't' happen at all and insulting iakus.

To borrow one of your phrases: Don't waste our time.

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David7204 wrote...

No, I really don't think he does. He seems to think this is some of sort of bomb that releases lasers.

Bombs do release lasers. How do you think it hits its target?

In the Army we have tanks that use an LRF(laser range finder) for targeting  We have the M2/M3 Bradley that fires a tow missle that is laser guided to its target

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David7204 wrote...

Aside from the fact that pretty much anything with enough energy is capable of doing damage, no. Not even slightly. Iakus, you're kidding yourself. You have no idea what half of these words mean.




Now you're getting closer to the target.

Yes, enegy is the key.  Kinetic barriers don't work on energy based attacks.  Like heat or radiation.  those are the kinds of weapons that should have been researched.  This missile idea is simple one such concept.  It's not even an original concept as at least one well known sf author already uses this idea.

I'm just going to ignore your slights against my intelligence because frankly, you're not worth the trouble.

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The problem I have with advanced guided missiles is the Reapers' swarms upon swarms of drones.

Anything we can do, they can do better.

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themikefest wrote...

David7204 wrote...

No, I really don't think he does. He seems to think this is some of sort of bomb that releases lasers.

Bombs do release lasers. How do you think it hits its target?

In the Army we have tanks that use an LRF(laser range finder) for targeting  We have the M2/M3 Bradley that fires a tow missle that is laser guided to its target


That's actually something more along the lines of the Javelin or the laser-guiding drones the artillery uses.

The TOW uses fiber-optic cable guiding, at least most of the older models. Unfortunately, it's not a fire-and-forget weapon.

Aw, those were so fun to use...

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David7204 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Sounds like a weapon that could penetrate kinetic energy barriers and do serious damage to both organic and synthetic materials, wouldn't you say?

Aside from the fact that pretty much anything with enough energy is capable of doing damage, no. Not even slightly. Iakus, you're kidding yourself. You have no idea what half of these words mean.

You have no f*cking clue what he knows

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David7204 wrote...

Here, let me give me a little an 'explanation' a little more worthy of your comprehension.

"Bomb laser boom missile energy nuclear laser boom super ultra laser bomb photon coherent x-ray wavelength frequency bomb laser missile laser pumping iron photon kinetic bomb missile targeting eletronic ion photon coherent frequency laser cavity pumped axis bomb nuclear photon laser energy frequency super ultra photon wavelength bomb."

There. That seems to be a little more on your level, doesn't it? I think you should go make a thread based on that brilliant idea.


Seems more like you're in denial because you got proved wrong and you can't help feeling outraged when you aren't the most clever person over something.

In any case, reported. 

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 10 janvier 2014 - 09:59 .


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David7204 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Sounds like a weapon that could penetrate kinetic energy barriers and do serious damage to both organic and synthetic materials, wouldn't you say?

Aside from the fact that pretty much anything with enough energy is capable of doing damage, no. Not even slightly. Iakus, you're kidding yourself. You have no idea what half of these words mean.




True. Except the beauty of the idea is that the weapon can carry less destructive energy than mass accelerator cannons. Kinetic Barriers have very big, very glaring weaknesses that have been described in detail. To use an analogy pretend a window is a kinetic barrier, it can block pidgeons and pepples, eventually if you can get a destructive enough force -- like a hammer -- you can break it. Iakus's idea is like light in this scenario (it technically is light too), light goes through the window, no matter how dim it is.

It's not magic, it's not any more magical than any other weapon in the series. Your idea to ambush Reapers as in your Rannoch scenario is no more, no less contrived or magical or stupid writing or whatever of an idea than yours. In the end they are the same, using the explained shortcomings described in the lore to defeat the Reapers conventioanally.

Modifié par ImaginaryMatter, 10 janvier 2014 - 09:59 .


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dreamgazer wrote...

The problem I have with advanced guided missiles is the Reapers' swarms upon swarms of drones.

Anything we can do, they can do better.


Exactly. We'd have to use the entire inventory in one strike against a handful of Reapers just to have a measurable chance of success.

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David7204 wrote...

Here, let me give me a little an 'explanation' a little more worthy of your comprehension.

"Bomb laser boom missile energy nuclear laser boom super ultra laser bomb photon coherent x-ray wavelength frequency bomb laser missile laser pumping iron photon kinetic bomb missile targeting eletronic ion photon coherent frequency laser cavity pumped axis bomb nuclear photon laser energy frequency super ultra photon wavelength bomb."

There. That seems to be a little more on your level, doesn't it? I think you should go make a thread based on that brilliant idea.


Don't be petty, David.

Modifié par ImaginaryMatter, 10 janvier 2014 - 09:59 .


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David7204 wrote...

"Bomb laser boom missile energy nuclear laser boom super ultra laser bomb photon coherent x-ray wavelength frequency bomb laser missile laser pumping iron photon kinetic bomb missile targeting eletronic ion photon coherent frequency laser cavity pumped axis bomb nuclear photon laser energy frequency super ultra photon wavelength bomb."


Image IPB

At least it's an answer, as opposed to, "SUCCESSFUL BOOM, BECAUSE I SAY SO."

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ImaginaryMatter wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Here, let me give me a little an 'explanation' a little more worthy of your comprehension.

"Bomb laser boom missile energy nuclear laser boom super ultra laser bomb photon coherent x-ray wavelength frequency bomb laser missile laser pumping iron photon kinetic bomb missile targeting eletronic ion photon coherent frequency laser cavity pumped axis bomb nuclear photon laser energy frequency super ultra photon wavelength bomb."

There. That seems to be a little more on your level, doesn't it? I think you should go make a thread based on that brilliant idea.


Don't be petty David.


As I said, he makes Artie Ziff look like the patron-saint of charity in comparison.

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David you still haven't answered me

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Cat thread?

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MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

themikefest wrote...

David7204 wrote...

No, I really don't think he does. He seems to think this is some of sort of bomb that releases lasers.

Bombs do release lasers. How do you think it hits its target?

In the Army we have tanks that use an LRF(laser range finder) for targeting  We have the M2/M3 Bradley that fires a tow missle that is laser guided to its target


That's actually something more along the lines of the Javelin or the laser-guiding drones the artillery uses.

The TOW uses fiber-optic cable guiding, at least most of the older models. Unfortunately, it's not a fire-and-forget weapon.

Aw, those were so fun to use...

Thats true about the TOW. I remember firing those. Pretty cool.

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what's the problem with the x-ray laser nuke? it works fine theoretically. also, in layman's terms, laser pumping is a transfer of energy from a source (in this case the nuclear explosion) to a laser emitter (in this case x-ray lasers).
so, in theory, this weapon is simply a massive x-ray burst followed by a conventional nuclear explosion. and as you can probably imagine, emitters powered by the initial stage of a nuclear explosion are going to produce some VERY intense x-rays.

EDIT: from there I suppose the only argument is how effective such a weapon would be against the reapers.

Modifié par tickle267, 10 janvier 2014 - 10:06 .


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All ya'll need to chill and deshi basara up in this mediation, tbh. Too many vibes man, too many.