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[Br3admax]

spirosz wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Liara can't be more heroic than Shepard. She CAN'T. Liara is only there to have Shepard's babies.

But apparently she's the deuteragonist. 

Yes, but only up until Shepard rides in on the giant fish. Bahamut only yields to one. 

[Iakus]

Br3ad wrote...
Thermal energy is light energy, and even using light energy, we're assuming that the Reapers can't stand up to that, or that no one(Protheans) has tried it before us, and they nuked their own planets. 

Given the lore regarding kinetic barriers, they should be completely ineffective against such attacks.

Now granted this would be asking Bioware to adhere to their own lore, which is a tall order in and of itself...

[Almostfaceman]

iakus wrote...

Br3ad wrote...
Thermal energy is light energy, and even using light energy, we're assuming that the Reapers can't stand up to that, or that no one(Protheans) has tried it before us, and they nuked their own planets. 

Given the lore regarding kinetic barriers, they should be completely ineffective against such attacks.

Now granted this would be asking Bioware to adhere to their own lore, which is a tall order in and of itself...

Because the Art is moar important than the codex, iakus. The ART.

[dreamgazer]

Almostfaceman wrote...

The ART.

HUZZAH!!

[Br3admax]

tickle267 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

tickle267 wrote...

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

Kinetic barriers don't block x-rays.

thanix cannons are classified as energy weapons, therefore they should be able to slice through a reaper as if it had no shields at all. and considering the fact that fighters are supposedly able to mount thanix cannons, this means that theoretically a single fighter could destroy a reaper (obviously it would have to avoid drones and AA fire and then score a direct hit on the reapers reactor)

Reapers don't fire lasers, and Thanix cannons are small versions of Soverign's cannon, so how is it an energy weapon? It's a stream of molten metal. 

all true (my mistake in calling it an energy weapon ) but aren't thanix beams meant to be able to bypass kinetic barriers? (or am I remembering that wrong? )

No, I was just wondering why you called them energy weapons. 

[dreamgazer]

For reference:

The kinetic barriers on a Reaper capital ship can shrug off the firepower of a small fleet. Weapons specifically designed to overcome shields, such as the Javelin, GARDIAN lasers, or the Thanix series, can bypass the barriers to some degree. The difficulty is getting close enough to use them -- the surface-mounted weaponry on Reaper ships, similar in principle to GARDIAN, presents an effective defense against organic species' fighters.

[Br3admax]

iakus wrote...

Br3ad wrote...
Thermal energy is light energy, and even using light energy, we're assuming that the Reapers can't stand up to that, or that no one(Protheans) has tried it before us, and they nuked their own planets. 

Given the lore regarding kinetic barriers, they should be completely ineffective against such attacks.

Now granted this would be asking Bioware to adhere to their own lore, which is a tall order in and of itself...

Reapers don't use kinetic barriers. They use impervious barriers. Imperivious barriers that shut down thanix cannons. 

As to the other point, I'm just saying, the Protheans tried it. It didn't work for them either. 

[Iakus]

tickle267 wrote...
all true (my mistake in calling it an energy weapon ) but aren't thanix beams meant to be able to bypass kinetic barriers? (or am I remembering that wrong? )

Thanix are sort of hybrid weapons.  The barriers can block the metal itself, but the thermal energy bleeds through so at least some damage can be done.

[Br3admax]

dreamgazer wrote...

For reference:

The kinetic barriers on a Reaper capital ship can shrug off the firepower of a small fleet. Weapons specifically designed to overcome shields, such as the Javelin, GARDIAN lasers, or the Thanix series, can bypass the barriers to some degree. The difficulty is getting close enough to use them -- the surface-mounted weaponry on Reaper ships, similar in principle to GARDIAN, presents an effective defense against organic species' fighters.

Like u(not looking for actual letter)ber dreadnaughts. Of doom. 

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Br3ad wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

For reference:

The kinetic barriers on a Reaper capital ship can shrug off the firepower of a small fleet. Weapons specifically designed to overcome shields, such as the Javelin, GARDIAN lasers, or the Thanix series, can bypass the barriers to some degree. The difficulty is getting close enough to use them -- the surface-mounted weaponry on Reaper ships, similar in principle to GARDIAN, presents an effective defense against organic species' fighters.

Like u(not looking for actual letter)ber dreadnaughts. Of doom. 

Awesome avatar. I just got through rewatching Samurai Champloo.

[Br3admax]

iakus wrote...

tickle267 wrote...
all true (my mistake in calling it an energy weapon ) but aren't thanix beams meant to be able to bypass kinetic barriers? (or am I remembering that wrong? )

Thanix are sort of hybrid weapons.  The barriers can block the metal itself, but the thermal energy bleeds through so at least some damage can be done.

I assume that Thanix missles opperate under a similar kind of principle. Why make those, when one could just make smaller Thanix cannons on more frigates, or even on the ground? 

[Iakus]

I have no idea what thanix missiles are supposed to be. When I heard the term used on Priority: Earth, my assumption was whoever wrote that scene decided thanix=awesome

[Almostfaceman]

Thanix missle = convenient weapon that must be timed to get through a Reaper hatch and hit a shiny red button and can be jammed by Reaper magic.

Modifié par Almostfaceman, 10 janvier 2014 - 10:49 .

[Invisible Man]

I'm not sure how this would work, but I seem to recall hearing somewhere in me2 that the normany's barriers could withstand directed energy or thermal weapons theoretically; however the barrier system wasn't designed to withstand such attacks. and thus the barrier system would have to be heavily retrofitted to withstand such a weapon. or I could be mistaken, or have misunderstood, or something.

---edit
as for thanix, I thought they were called phalanx missiles? or maybe I just need my hearing checked?
it made more sense as the other missile is the jevilan (sp?).

Modifié par Invisible Man, 10 janvier 2014 - 10:55 .

[Iakus]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Thanix missle = convenient weapon that must be timed to get through a Reaper hatch and hit a shiny red button and can be jammed by Reaper magic.

You mean a proton torpedo? 

[dreamgazer]

11 Pages of Bitching and Rational Speculation on Thanix Missiles.

[Obadiah]

iakus wrote...

I have no idea what thanix missiles are supposed to be. When I heard the term used on Priority: Earth, my assumption was whoever wrote that scene decided thanix=awesome

It's probably just a missile designed to hit with the same impact as a Thanix cannon.

[Almostfaceman]

iakus wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

Thanix missle = convenient weapon that must be timed to get through a Reaper hatch and hit a shiny red button and can be jammed by Reaper magic.

You mean a proton torpedo? 

Yup. 

http://starwars.wiki.../Proton_torpedo

[RangerSG]

The Crucible as a concept is fine. I'm even OK with seeds of it being passed down from cycle to cycle. Since the Reapers missed Ilos, it seems plausible that *some* cycles had enough time to realize the nature of the machines' trap and plan a way to defeat it. They could have used some variant of Liara's time-capsule plan to pass along their own efforts at what they thought would be the proper time.

The real issue, and where it becomes a Diabolus Ex Machina, is the Reaper-god jumping out and saying, "You can't fire this without MEEEE!"

No. Really. Seeing as the galaxy is being torched by AIs, why in the entire barking multiverse would ANY of the harvested races be so STUPID as to appeal to the overlord of their enemies? You think the "throw the machines out the airlock" Protheans would be trying to harness an AI? *ANY* AI?

The Crucible is fine as a superweapon concept. And many military Sci-fis come down to using (or avoiding being scorched by) such a construct. So it's genre consistent. But all I can think about the Starbrat is that someone read the Night's Dawn Trilogy with it's own (literal) DEM ending, or recalled Lorden from Babylon 5, and decided that embodying a super-consciousness in a child would be a good twist on those hind-quarter pulls.

[wolfhowwl]

I do not mind not mind a super weapon at all but self-inflicted injuries could have been avoided.

The galaxy should not have been pouring resources into a device that they did not understand.

If we could turn back time, it should have been introduced earlier than ME3.

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 10 janvier 2014 - 11:03 .

[dreamgazer]

wolfhowwl wrote...

The galaxy should not have been pouring resources into a device that they did not understand.

That Prothean seal of approval was apparently worth a lot. 

[Br3admax]

dreamgazer wrote...

wolfhowwl wrote...

The galaxy should not have been pouring resources into a device that they did not understand.

That Prothean seal of approval was apparently worth a lot. 

Yes, but what we really need is more missle. THANIX, turian for awesome.®

[MrMrPendragon]

I'd like to believe that they were getting pretty desperate.

"F*ck it, let's build this thang"