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[Possessed Turian]

This is the big boy form. This form plans to bring a non cannonized ending to ME3, while bring Shepard back. We play hard ball not soft ball. We fight hard for Shepard here. Our hero cannot be allowed to die.

Where does this all take place?- The event happens after Mass Effect 3, but the game would start in ME2 on the Reaper IFF mission. The Idea is simple bring Shepard back, and beat the Reapers in a final story. Maybe one more after that, but that's not important.

The concept.

Shepard ran towards the beam in Mass Effect 3 and entered the Citadel. Just like we saw in the game. Shepard met the Catalyst who in turn did not lie to you. The Catalyst was actully the Reaper and near the end of your ME3 Journey the Reaper began to lose the ability to keep you asleep. So it desided to study you in a last attempt to stop you in the real world. how it tries is up to developers, but my solution was your love interest/closest friend would recieve a translated Reaper virus into genetic code, which would allow it to escape the gas giant. It hopes for the best, but is evenetually detected, thus a solution evently came. Shepard made his Choice. DESTROY, CONTROL, SYNTHUSIS, or REFUSE.  After making this choice, Shepard gets his cut sceen determinging how he feels about the war, and synthetics. Shepard wakes up back in ME2 on the Reaper IFF mission. All characters are alive Including Legion Thane, and Mordin, but Legion is different as he is found after Shepard wakes up. Where else has Shepard been, that Reaper Indoctions be any stronger then On the "Dead" Reaper. How could shepard and his team survive exposer, but ye the science team fell pray to the Reaper.

My Story summery of how the events play out after waking up (You do not have to agree with this, this is just for footing)

A sequel to ME3 after Shepard destroys the Reapers he finds he has yet to defeat them Shepard awakes to find himself still aboard the semi dead Reaper in the ME2 universe, during the IFF mission. Shepard will use the knowledge he has gained during ME3 to stop the Reapers once and for all, but neither the Reapers or Cerberus is truly the greatest threat to Galactic Civilization.

Support
The biggest problem with the Reaper IT Theroy is that so many don't want to think this far back. We need to find and Identify the Flaws After the Reaper IFF Mision and all the way though to the very end of Mass EFFect 3.

Flaws: (here is where i will archive all flaws into one list- Please be legitamet back your flaw with facts or a very logical assumption)

So Far

Udina's new office- How did he get a new office when Anderson couldn't get one. (Arguable)
Collectors dissappear after ME2 in the story- Your telling me the collectors only had one ship and a base. I doubt that. (Arguable)
The energy wave that destroyed synthetics/Reapers- sense when can a energy wave just kill reapers and Synthetics. Maybe a EMP, but that would most likly fry every ship and every person with a shockwave that powerful.
Collector collecting Humans to make a Reaper- the more likly senario would be they were building a ground force. They used humans as test subjects because humans are the most geneticaly diverse. This allowed the collectors to genetically modify a virus, which they drop in gas form. It would make more sense to build a Reaper out of Raw ore, and probably easier.
A human Reaper- why not just another one that looked like them. All the others looked the same.
Bailey Aged backwards -  effect of the graphics change, but that in it's self could be a target as my shepard looked nothing like the original.
Everyone Gaining some seet of power- Liara(Shadow broker) < We excuse this one Ashley/Kaiden (Spector) Tali (Admiral) Garrus (General or higher) Wrex (leader of Almost all Krogan clans) < We excuse this one
The refusal to work together against the Reapers.- how stupid is this galaxy. You fight the Reapers together. Shreingth in numbers.
Three Ready made choices on the Citadel- do i really need to point out this one. Why would this be just sitting there and know one has found this location before.
A knife fight with the Reapers- the other races out ranged the Reapers, you only knife fight when you had to. those dreadnoughts and what ever else would bombard the Reapers into moving away from the citadel.
Reapers not destroying the comm Bouys- The line of comunication which the reapers never cut off. They could have crippled the races ability to coordinate. way around that Quatium entangled communication, but Traynor complained about lag data. Quantium entanglement is instant.
The Quarians fight a War with the Geth- while the Reapers are coming, and the geth act like nothings has happened, and turtle up in sturcture. Then the Quarians attack them, While the Reapers rape the galaxy. You don't waist ships fighting amoungst eachother, when you are getting your butt kicked by the Reapers. There is no such thing as a three way war. If to sides are fighting eachother, and then are engaged by a third side that is winning. The two weakest sides, side together, against there common enemy. That is survival 101.

I have more, but can't think of them Right now. Feel free to share yours. I will color yours to identify away from mine.

P.S. Bioware if I came off like a ass that was not the idea. I just didn't know how to voice it. I have been Writing shepard back to life, and want to bring him back. Please work with me. here is my story take a read it is unfinished but 340 k words is a lot to writie and i already know how to end the story. Please ignore the romance unless you like it.

https://www.fanficti...ffect-Awakening


P.P.S. My Story doesn't have to be the answer, but right now I am leading the charge, do you have a story that would work better then mine, if so take lead, and I'll ride next to you.  Remember watch your flaws in your story and bring any game plot holes between ME2 Reaper IFF and ME3 end

My Apologies

I Apologies for my pears, who are just a bunch of sticks in the mud or morons, who probably ruined this form and a chance to reserect Shepard. Most of these comments are from pople who want to wine and not do anything about it. For anyone who still thinks we can do it please support this Idea. I will remain to pile up the facts in a easy list right here on this comment. If Mass Effect tought anyone anything. It's Yell loud enough and people will come to see what the comotion is about. Then it takes a really good team to get things done, when all the council/nay sayers want to just stuff you in the corner so they don't have to see you.

Modifié par Possessed Turian, 14 janvier 2014 - 12:12 .

[ImaginaryMatter]

What about the flaws before the Reaper IFF?

[SwobyJ]

This looks like less of a theory and more of a pure wish.

(ohhh I know the irony of me saying this)

[AlanC9]

Possessed Turian wrote...
This is the big boy form. This form plans to bring a non cannonized ending to ME3, while bring Shepard back. We play hard ball not soft ball. We fight hard for Shepard here. Our hero cannot be allowed to die.

Wouldn't it be easier to work from high-EMS Destroy, if this is the objective? 

[Possessed Turian]

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

What about the flaws before the Reaper IFF?

I'm trying to avoid total destruction of the series. Not saying that it would happen, but I am playing it safe. Avoiding the death sceen on the normandy which i know you are wanting to fall back to.

Swoby how is it anyless of a theory then the IT Theory, which I don't apparently fit into According to the IT Page.

If you're talking about the initial post yes it is a wish, but that's because i didn't come here to talk about it. I created this form to do something about it.  To bring back Shepard. I am trying to Rally those who are willing to fight.

Modifié par Possessed Turian, 09 janvier 2014 - 07:40 .

[Possessed Turian]

AlanC9 wrote...

Possessed Turian wrote...
This is the big boy form. This form plans to bring a non cannonized ending to ME3, while bring Shepard back. We play hard ball not soft ball. We fight hard for Shepard here. Our hero cannot be allowed to die.

Wouldn't it be easier to work from high-EMS Destroy, if this is the objective? 

No because that cannoizes the story. I'm not doing that. High EMS destroy cannonizes ending.

Possessed Turian wrote...
This form plans to bring a non cannonized ending to ME3, while bring Shepard back

^ this is what i'm doing.

[AlanC9]

I get that you're trying to avoid canonizing an ending. What I don't get is why.

Modifié par AlanC9, 09 janvier 2014 - 07:42 .

[Possessed Turian]

AlanC9 wrote...
I get that you're trying to avoid canonizing an ending. What I don't get is why.

To avoid complaints that i ignored other choices, and to make ME3 mean something. I beleive Destroy was  best option, but i won't say anyones choice was wrong.

Modifié par Possessed Turian, 09 janvier 2014 - 07:52 .

[Excella Gionne]

I smell IT Theory coming on...

[AlanC9]

Possessed Turian wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
I get that you're trying to avoid canonizing an ending. What I don't get is why.

To avoid complaints that i ignored other choices, and to make ME3 mean something. I beleive Destroy was  best option, but i won't say anyones choice was wrong.

Make ME3 mean something? I thought you were erasing it anyway. The choices were fake, so who are you kidding here?

Modifié par AlanC9, 09 janvier 2014 - 08:10 .

[Possessed Turian]

AlanC9 wrote...

[Make ME3 mean something? I thought you were erasing it anyway. The choices were fake, so who are you kidding here?

I never said I was erasing ME3. You assumed. Can you show me where i said I am Erasing ME3. My story, which heavily relies on this theory, refers to ME3. Without ME3 they never would have found Javik in my story, and in turn the wreckage of the ION cannon. My story is where all those ME flaws die, and I develope the Reaper IFF Indoctrination Theory further. While this page is not about my story, it has meaing to this conversation. Because you determine a solution, before you understand what I am standing on. It is a firmly solid ground

Modifié par Possessed Turian, 09 janvier 2014 - 08:28 .

[AlanC9]

It's unreal, right? There's information from it, but nothing in it actually happened. It's erased from the real world and relegated to being a dream. So why preserve the integrity of unreal choices? Who is this supposed to satisfy?

Edit: so, the whole damn theory, really, is you editing all the stuff you don't like out of ME. That's fine. I'd like to go back further and rewrite Saren's idiotic plan myself. Get rid of Tali's silly voice recording while we're at it.

Modifié par AlanC9, 09 janvier 2014 - 09:00 .

[AlexMBrennan]

Once again, you are arbitrarily throwing out canon you don't like, making this "theory" as pointless as any other flavour of IT. The truth is that we have to go deeper:

Shepard will use the knowledge he has gained during ME3 to stop the Reapers once and for al

So you replace a DEM doomsday weapon found in a prothean archive with a prothean doomsday weapon that Shepard just dreamed about? Brilliant.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 09 janvier 2014 - 08:47 .

[Possessed Turian]

your choice still ment something, the integrity of ME3 is deminished enough by saying it was a dream, how much more can you degrade it except by throwing the story away which i will not do. I am adaptable, and don't change something I set in stone, by making a hole new one. I'll turn my 6 but into a 8, but I can't, and won't make it a 1. I don't care how you personally look at it though. you either support this theory, or you don't, that's up to you.

[Possessed Turian]

AlexMBrennan. That would just be like starting over, that's not what this page is about. We aren't starting over here, We are salvaging the Galaxy and going foward.

[Possessed Turian]

So you replace a DEM doomsday weapon found in a prothean archive, with a prothean doomsday weapon that Shepard just dreamed about? Brilliant.

I replaced the Crucible with a real, practical answer to the Reapers. Shepard did not dream the ion cannon up. He manufactured the crucible from Knowleadge he gained. The Ion cannon is not a end Game weapon and still not powerful enough by it's self it is only more fire power. against the Reapers.

look we are derailing here this page was not about my story

Modifié par Possessed Turian, 09 janvier 2014 - 08:55 .

[Almostfaceman]

I don't remember a Tali "this is where you saved me" in ME3. I remember her talking about "this is where I was attacked" dialogue - where she talks about when she first came to the Citadel - before she meets Shep. Then she talks about some Turian (working with C-Sec?) who wouldn't help her after that attack then she gets in touch with the Shadow Broker who leads her to Fist.

[AlanC9]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

So you replace a DEM doomsday weapon found in a prothean archive with a prothean doomsday weapon that Shepard just dreamed about? Brilliant.

I think that needs an exclamation point:

Brilliant!

Remind me again, how did plans for the new Crucible get beamed into Shepard's mind?

Modifié par AlanC9, 09 janvier 2014 - 09:02 .

[MrMrPendragon]

I don't know why people keep slapping the word "theory" in like sticky tape, for everything that's not part of the canonized story/endings.


Anyway, I'm not saying your fan fiction won't make sense. In fact, in some levels, it might just work. It has a nice solid base, not perfect, but you can work from it.

But the thing is, like the Indoctrination "theory", this is just a show of discontent for the ending of ME3.

I'm currently playing through ME3 again, and I'm at Citadel DLC - just remember what happens in that DLC when you go Priority:Earth and everything after that. It eases the pain.

Modifié par ArcherTactlenecks, 09 janvier 2014 - 09:30 .

[AlanC9]

Possessed Turian wrote...

AlexMBrennan. That would just be like starting over, that's not what this page is about. We aren't starting over here, We are salvaging the Galaxy and going foward.

Huh? The only difference is that he's throwing out a little more of the galaxy than you are.

[Possessed Turian]

Almostfaceman. it appears you got me there. I will strike it from the records

[Possessed Turian]

ArcherTactlenecks wrote...

First of all, calling it a "theory" is incorrect. For it to be a "theory", there has to be some chance that it can work. But this can't because there's already a set ending for the series.

How many times has someone said it's over. Then you come to find out it's not. Oh we can't do anymore to make it better it won't go another foot. 1 year later. Oh look. I made a improvement and now we can keep going,  It's not over it's never over.

Modifié par Possessed Turian, 09 janvier 2014 - 09:21 .

[AlanC9]

Possessed Turian wrote...

ArcherTactlenecks wrote...

First of all, calling it a "theory" is incorrect. For it to be a "theory", there has to be some chance that it can work. But this can't because there's already a set ending for the series.

How many times has someone said it's over. Then you come to find out it's not. Oh we can't do anymore to make it better it won't go another foot. 1 year later. Oh look. I made a improvement and now we can keep going,  It's not over it's never over.

Huh? The series hasn't changed since the EC shipped.

[MrMrPendragon]

Possessed Turian wrote...

ArcherTactlenecks wrote...

First of all, calling it a "theory" is incorrect. For it to be a "theory", there has to be some chance that it can work. But this can't because there's already a set ending for the series.

How many times has someone said it's over. Then you come to find out it's not. Oh we can't do anymore to make it better it won't go another foot. 1 year later. Oh look. I made a improvement and now we can keep going,  It's not over it's never over.

Given that there's already an ending for ME3 - the topic we are discussing right now - I'd say it's safe to assume that it's over. I mean, isn't this whole fan fiction about not accepting the endings of the game?

I don't know what you mean by saying "It isn't over" - are they going to keep changing stuff in ME3 until they pacify everyone in the community or what? - Because that would be incredibly stupid, not to mention time-consuming.

Modifié par ArcherTactlenecks, 09 janvier 2014 - 09:26 .

[Possessed Turian]

In otherwords I am the improvement. (Yes I am a irragent bastard, I know) I know people to well if this came from a bioware writer you would all be on your knees praying to them like gods, but because its me you ridicule me. I have an Idea and you want to shoot is down. You can't shoot it down though this has to much armor for you to bring down, Now let this page returned to what is is about. Or are you trying to get me shut down, because you are scared I am right.