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[Lulupab]

One of the main reasons many people love Bioware games is the fact that choices matter, at least to the extent that they do not totally counteract with canon. Now in DA2 we were provided with many choices but the most important one was to side with mages or templars and the 2nd most important one was to kill Anders or let him live. He is practically ready for death when he sits on that bloody crate as he believes those people he killed deserve Justice as well. But its ultimately up for Hawke to see Justice done in several ways. I use numbers to describe them as I will point to them below:

1. Make him redeem himself by helping mages to prevent more death of mages, mages who Anders is very ready to kill and die for their freedom.
2. Kill him outright, aka bring Justice via death.
3. Force him to kill mages and help Templars.  The ultimately cruel way to make Anders pay but nonetheless an option. Anders hints that he might kill himself after the battle if he is not already dead by then but we never see that happen or hear anything about it. I also believe this action ends romance between Hawke and Anders if any existed.

I think an alive Anders will get sinister fate in DA:I. His DA2 voice actor Adam Howden clearly stated in his twitter that he is not recording for DA:I. But I think Justice's voice actor Adam Leadbeater is recording for DA:I. He was the voice actor of Justice in both Awakening and DA2. So this can only mean two things. Either an alive Anders will have a different voice actor ( I sincerely hope this is the case) or option 1 and 3 will ultimately lead to Anders death in Inquisition and we either won't see him in inquisitiopn (utter dissapointment as he started the sodding war Inquisition is about) or Justice will fully take over after his death and he will go full Vengeance or start to return to his old self and help mages in less extreme ways like curing the tranquils. See reversing the rite section in following link for more info on curing the tranquility:

dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Tranquil

I believe at least half the players chose to not kill Anders and I'm quite sure it would really dissappoint us if that choice abolutely meant nothing. I rather go back and kill Anders in DA2 than to see my choice didn't matter at all and he died a grim death or a random Templar killed him. At least in DA2 he dies instantly with a slight smile on his face, a much better closure. If he indeed appears in DA:I plays a role and then dies its quite OK it means the choice indeed mattered but we don't want to HEAR about his death in game or read it in codex. I prefer that he doesn't die at all but that's just me. All I ask is in case of being alive he should appear and play a big enough role.

If you kept Anders alive in at least one of your saves and want to see him in a playthrough that you use this savegame file and support having Anders alive and well in Inquisition as an ally npc or even potential/replacer companion feel free to use these banners I made:

Modifié par Rassler, 09 janvier 2014 - 11:54 .

[lordsaren101]

I loved Anders a character, saved snd supported him in my playthroughs...I want to see him back.

[MrMrPendragon]

I like Anders.

I conscripted him in Awakening, and spared him in DA2. I don't really care if he shows up in Inquisition or not. (Rhys has to show up though )

What he did is more important than who he is.

Besides, I'm sure he's on the run from Sebastian and his army, so there's really no use for him to come out of hiding.

[Karlone123]

I liked DA2 version of Anders, though he was hypocritical and manipulative, it made him something of a flawed hero in my eyes. A lot of people despise Anders but I don't.

[Veruin]

I'm going to call BS on the "half the players spared Anders." Even if there is a "legitimate" reason to spare him, most people don't even pay attention to the lore and will kill him outright because of what he did.

Other than that, you're just going to have to be disappointed, and at best expect a codex/cameo. There is no way he's going to have as significant of a role as you're hoping.

[The Baconer]

If I "smelled" a grim and sinister fate for Anders I would definitely feel more hyped for the game.

[Grieving Natashina]

 This makes me nervous for the fate of Anders, if you let him live.

http://swooping-is-b...om/1286233.html

TUK: Can I ask, what effect if any Anders being merged with Justice is going to have on his Calling?


DG: Uh...interesting. I'm getting some...okay, it's gone now, I was hearing a mental voice there, it was weird. [laughter] There were some plans to address that but in the end it became very complicated. I think there are a couple possibilities. One is that the spirit within Anders can affect the level of his corruption, so it may delay or remove the necessity for his Calling altogether. Either that or at some point the corruption within Anders is going to corrupt the spirit. I think those are the two most likely outcomes. I'm not going to say which of those we prefer, because Anders can survive DA2 so therefore there's a possibility that we may need him in the future.

That makes me suspect they have something pretty nasty planned for Anders.  Vengence was bad enough...now imagine a Vengence that's also tainted by the darkspawn corruption.

Modifié par Starsyn, 09 janvier 2014 - 10:51 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

I don't see any good end for him especially that all companions are (or were i doubt that has changed) for drama. He have demon inside him and live in cynical setting where everything goes down damn even hawke get bad ending (pretty much everyone does in da 2) so guess how anders will end.

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 09 janvier 2014 - 10:55 .

[TK514]

I, too, will be disappointed if Anders does not return as himself. I want to continue what I started with choice 3, and the message will be wasted on Vengeance.

[Gold Dragon]

I liked Anders.  But if he must go, make it quick, please.

[Sylvanpyxie]

There's not really a lot they can do if they want to avoid shafting Player decisions, but Anders is an important symbol to Mages now and Bioware may not have entirely thought through the choice they gave us...

If it makes you feel any better though, if Bioware are going to make a big deal out of Anders then the Players most likely to get the short end of the stick are those that decided to kill him.

(Maker spared me resurrection speech, anyone?)

Modifié par Sylvanpyxie, 09 janvier 2014 - 10:59 .

[Angrywolves]

Anders is dead in most players playthroughs.The OP posted an unnecessary thread.

[Gold Dragon]

Angrywolves wrote...

Anders is dead in most players playthroughs.The OP posted an unnecessary thread.

And is aliive in all 20 of my playthrus, so the above is an unnecessary post, IMO.


Just sayin'

[BlueMagitek]

Starysn : Wasn't Justice in the body of a Warden the first time anyway?

I am a bit hesitant of this "choices" crowd; if I recall, that mostly applied to Mass Effect, while Dragon Age is a different story all together. Why would half of your choices matter to a different protagonist who isn't dealing with it anyway? And really, the important part are the choices you make in game A mattering in game A, if they're mentioned in game B, that's nice, but nothing to cry fits of havoc over.

[daveliam]

Veruin wrote...

I'm going to call BS on the "half the players spared Anders." Even if there is a "legitimate" reason to spare him, most people don't even pay attention to the lore and will kill him outright because of what he did.

Other than that, you're just going to have to be disappointed, and at best expect a codex/cameo. There is no way he's going to have as significant of a role as you're hoping.

Two things:

1.)  I think that a "legitimate" reason to spare him could very well be that not everyone supports an eye for an eye.  Killing Anders doesn't bring back Elthina or anyone else killed in the explosion or ensuing riots.  While I don't support Anders, I also don't play as a character who kills without being attacked.  I've only finished DA 2 a few times, but I've never killed Anders.  I usually choose to send him away.  Not everyone agrees with this, but to claim that there aren't any "legitimate" reasons to spare him is false, imo.

2.)  I totally agree with your second point.  Any character who has had optional deaths will probably not play a major role going forward given the blow back that they have gotten about retconning past decisions.  That's why I suspect that Anders, OGB, Hawke siblings, etc. won't have anything more than a passing cameo/mention in DA: I.

[Mr.House]

Um Anders didn't start the war....

[Malanek]

Veruin wrote...

I'm going to call BS on the "half the players spared Anders." Even if there is a "legitimate" reason to spare him, most people don't even pay attention to the lore and will kill him outright because of what he did.

Other than that, you're just going to have to be disappointed, and at best expect a codex/cameo. There is no way he's going to have as significant of a role as you're hoping.

:unsure:I'm guessing half the players spared him mainly because they didn't want to lose their only healer before a boss fight.

Others would have spared him because they wanted to support the mages.

Others would have spared him because they wouldn't kill a companion inspite of what he did.

There may be some actual stats, if you have them go ahead and share. But saying most people killed him outright for what he did sounds baseless to me.

Modifié par Malanek999, 09 janvier 2014 - 11:07 .

[Orian Tabris]

Veruin wrote...

I'm going to call BS on the "half the players spared Anders." Even if there is a "legitimate" reason to spare him, most people don't even pay attention to the lore and will kill him outright because of what he did.

Other than that, you're just going to have to be disappointed, and at best expect a codex/cameo. There is no way he's going to have as significant of a role as you're hoping.

I don't know about that. The users on this site are actually only a small number of people who play the Dragon Age games. Surely not all of the people who reacted negatively to the game hated it purely because of what Anders did. There are people out there who have better sense than to hate on an RPG and to just throw roleplaying out the window for the sake of getting back at the game or one of it's characters.

OK, so maybe not half the players, but there has to be at least a quarter of players who spared Anders, and that's not even accounting for the fact that many/most players have/had or play/ed more than one play through.

For me, 2 of my Hawkes didn't kill him. 1 felt he should make up for what he did, the other turned him away. 1 of my Hawkes killed him, but she was never very nice, while the fourth was in love with him, but was forced to kill Assassinate (talent) him since she sided with the Templars - up till then she had sided with the mages being subjegated - unfortunately all 3 dialogue options result in fighting him.

I have no idea if he's gonna be in the game or to what extent, but I hope he gets a codex and, if he survives, a cameo appearance.

[Hellion Rex]

daveliam wrote...

1.)  I think that a "legitimate" reason to spare him could very well be that not everyone supports an eye for an eye.  Killing Anders doesn't bring back Elthina or anyone else killed in the explosion or ensuing riots.  While I don't support Anders, I also don't play as a character who kills without being attacked.  I've only finished DA 2 a few times, but I've never killed Anders.  I usually choose to send him away.  Not everyone agrees with this, but to claim that there aren't any "legitimate" reasons to spare him is false, imo.

Totally agree. I never agree with Anders, but I don't kill him. 7 playthroughs and never killed him.  Killing him fixes nothing. But, I make him stay, and I always put him in the party for the final battle, because I feel that he ought to help me try and save some of the innocent mages he had doomed to die for his goddamn crusade. 

[terdferguson123]

Rassler wrote...

Veruin wrote...

I'm going to call BS on the "half the players spared Anders." Even if there is a "legitimate" reason to spare him, most people don't even pay attention to the lore and will kill him outright because of what he did.

Other than that, you're just going to have to be disappointed, and at best expect a codex/cameo. There is no way he's going to have as significant of a role as you're hoping.

Angrywolves wrote...

Anders is dead in most players playthroughs.The OP posted an unnecessary thread.

How amusing. Your join dates and not participating in DA2 forum section has made you ignorant. You were not around to see the Anders fans it seems, pity. AT THE VERY LEAST 40% of players let Anders live. I find it quite childish that you cannot think outside of the box, the box beaing your own opinion of Anders. His thread was much more popular than Fenris's. The only male character with more fans was Varric and I don't think that needs any explaining. I mean just look at this thread, 10 people who liked and let anders live appeared in this very thread in less than 5 minutes. But feel free to fool yourself that Anders is dead in most playthtoughs. I will not argue about this further so don't bother.

First of all, insulting join dates and calling them childish is pretty pathetic, sometimes people change accounts for various reasons, it no way proves that he knows more or less about the games than you. Secondly, if 40% of players let Anders live then that still means in most peoples games he is dead. We get that you are a big time Anders fan. He was a good character, with a lot of flaws, and frankly, I can see more people killing him than letting him live for what he did. After all, the guy killed many innocents just to push something over  the edge, no matter what way you slice it, that's never going to be moral, and I think the majority of people understand that.

Lastly, the numbers will be skewed somewhat for people (like myself) who only kept him alive because I was playing the game on hard my first playthrough and I wasn't a mage, meaning he was my only option for a healer. Had there been another healer, I would have slain Anders for being such a fool over the situation.

Modifié par terdferguson123, 09 janvier 2014 - 11:14 .

[The Elder King]

Mr.House wrote...

Um Anders didn't start the war....

Indeed. He's important for the events that lead to it, but Asunder weakened his role.

[Orian Tabris]

Malanek999 wrote...

Veruin wrote...

I'm going to call BS on the "half the players spared Anders." Even if there is a "legitimate" reason to spare him, most people don't even pay attention to the lore and will kill him outright because of what he did.

Other than that, you're just going to have to be disappointed, and at best expect a codex/cameo. There is no way he's going to have as significant of a role as you're hoping.

:unsure:I'm guessing half the players spared him mainly because they didn't want to lose their only healer before a boss fight.

Others would have spared him because they wanted to support the mages.

Well, if most players are like me, they hadn't really used many health potions (or stamina draughts or mana potions) through the course of the game, and so easily could have enough saved to make up for the lack of a healer companion. Ironically, it's easier to spare health potions if you are a Spirit Healer, thus you wouldn't need Anders anyway.

[Hellion Rex]

Rassler wrote...
How amusing. Your join dates and not participating in DA2 forum section has made you ignorant. You were not around to see the Anders fans it seems, pity. AT THE VERY LEAST 40% of players let Anders live. I find it quite childish that you cannot think outside of the box, the box beaing your own opinion of Anders. His thread was much more popular than Fenris's. The only male character with more fans was Varric and I don't think that needs any explaining. I mean just look at this thread, 10 people who liked and let anders live appeared in this very thread in less than 5 minutes. But feel free to fool yourself that Anders is dead in most playthtoughs. I will not argue about this further so don't bother.

[edited by Mod03] And please give me a source for your so called 40%. 

Modifié par BioWareMod03, 09 janvier 2014 - 11:33 .

[thats1evildude]

I chose to spare Anders a grim fate by killing him in DA2. Some would call it murder, but I called it "mercy."

Also, I was getting kinda tired of his bulls***.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 09 janvier 2014 - 11:15 .

[The Elder King]

eluvianix wrote...

Rassler wrote...
How amusing. Your join dates and not participating in DA2 forum section has made you ignorant. You were not around to see the Anders fans it seems, pity. AT THE VERY LEAST 40% of players let Anders live. I find it quite childish that you cannot think outside of the box, the box beaing your own opinion of Anders. His thread was much more popular than Fenris's. The only male character with more fans was Varric and I don't think that needs any explaining. I mean just look at this thread, 10 people who liked and let anders live appeared in this very thread in less than 5 minutes. But feel free to fool yourself that Anders is dead in most playthtoughs. I will not argue about this further so don't bother.

Drop the attitude, jerk. Get off your damned high horse. And please give me a source for your so called 40%. 

Probably some polls on BSN, which are reliable only to know what a part of BSN choose, not the majority of people that played DA2.