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[Malanek]

Orian Tabris wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Veruin wrote...

I'm going to call BS on the "half the players spared Anders." Even if there is a "legitimate" reason to spare him, most people don't even pay attention to the lore and will kill him outright because of what he did.

Other than that, you're just going to have to be disappointed, and at best expect a codex/cameo. There is no way he's going to have as significant of a role as you're hoping.

:unsure:I'm guessing half the players spared him mainly because they didn't want to lose their only healer before a boss fight.

Others would have spared him because they wanted to support the mages.

Well, if most players are like me, they hadn't really used many health potions (or stamina draughts or mana potions) through the course of the game, and so easily could have enough saved to make up for the lack of a healer companion. Ironically, it's easier to spare health potions if you are a Spirit Healer, thus you wouldn't need Anders anyway.

Two posts above you is a case in point. I'm struggling to remember some of the mechanics. Weren't health potions on a lengthy cooldown? I seem to remember the last fight was significantly easier with a healer.

Modifié par Malanek999, 09 janvier 2014 - 11:16 .

[TK514]

Rassler wrote...

How amusing. Your join dates and not participating in DA2 forum section has made you ignorant. You were not around to see the Anders fans it seems, pity. AT THE VERY LEAST 40% of players let Anders live. I find it quite childish that you cannot think outside of the box, the box beaing your own opinion of Anders. His thread was much more popular than Fenris's. The only male character with more fans was Varric and I don't think that needs any explaining. I mean just look at this thread, 10 people who liked and let anders live appeared in this very thread in less than 5 minutes. But feel free to fool yourself that Anders is dead in most playthtoughs. I will not argue about this further so don't bother.

join dates are meaningless, and an absurd measure of someone's knowledge of a subject.  You should be ashamed of yourself for even contemplating using it as an argument.

thread popularity can have little or nothing to do with character popularity.  Two words:  Female Shepard.  After all the talk about her, all the threads demanding her, and all the publicity around her, she still ended up with less than 20% of players using her. (BioWare's official info)

The same fifteen people arguing about a character for 200 pages doesn't make him popular.  With Anders, it's even less of an indication, because plenty of folks who loved  Anders in Awakening hated him in DA 2, and vice versa.  So he doesn't even have a unified fan base to talk about.

in short, your entire paragraph 'rebuttal' was terrible, and frankly beneath you.

Modifié par TK514, 09 janvier 2014 - 11:21 .

[Sanunes]

If he comes back I am pretty sure it would be only for a cameo or something because there are people out there that did kill him and I just can't see them writing such a big role for a character that has a 50/50 chance of being alive.

[Orian Tabris]

Malanek999 wrote...

Orian Tabris wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Veruin wrote...

I'm going to call BS on the "half the players spared Anders." Even if there is a "legitimate" reason to spare him, most people don't even pay attention to the lore and will kill him outright because of what he did.

Other than that, you're just going to have to be disappointed, and at best expect a codex/cameo. There is no way he's going to have as significant of a role as you're hoping.

:unsure:I'm guessing half the players spared him mainly because they didn't want to lose their only healer before a boss fight.

Others would have spared him because they wanted to support the mages.

Well, if most players are like me, they hadn't really used many health potions (or stamina draughts or mana potions) through the course of the game, and so easily could have enough saved to make up for the lack of a healer companion. Ironically, it's easier to spare health potions if you are a Spirit Healer, thus you wouldn't need Anders anyway.

Two posts above you is a case in point. I'm struggling to remember some of the mechanics. Weren't health potions on a lengthy cooldown? I seem to remember the last fight was significantly easier with a healer.

Yes, they were, but not every one will require to use health potions excessively. If you do, then either the difficulty is too high for you without him, or your character/s is/are too poorly skilled to handle such fights. Whenever I did the last fight, I played it on Hard difficulty, and I found it very easy. Even if I had to reload because a companion died. And in 3 of my 4 games I didn't have Anders (or a Spririt Healer Hawke) to make it easier.

[Orian Tabris]

Sanunes wrote...

If he comes back I am pretty sure it would be only for a cameo or something because there are people out there that did kill him and I just can't see them writing such a big role for a character that has a 50/50 chance of being alive.

That's basically all killable characters who only die depending on your choices.

[Hellion Rex]

@TK514: Well said.

[daveliam]

Orian Tabris wrote...

Sanunes wrote...

If he comes back I am pretty sure it would be only for a cameo or something because there are people out there that did kill him and I just can't see them writing such a big role for a character that has a 50/50 chance of being alive.

That's basically all killable characters who only die depending on your choices.

Exactly.  Look at all of the people annoyed about Leliana's magical resurrection.  And, actually, Anders from DA: A.  Both of them could have died, but still shown up in DA 2 regardless of their earlier deaths.  It's two years later and we still have people complaining about Leliana.  I would be surprised if they did that again. 

[Banxey]

Add me to the people who spared Anders. I couldn't kill him in my playthroughs, but I don't see him getting redemption. I never forgave him for using me (err Hawke), even though the dialogue when sparing him was pretty constrictive. He seemed to think your choice meant you agreed with him. But not in my case. I spared him because I wanted him to defend the mages from Meredith, not because I believed in his actions. What I wanted was an option that let me tell him so before punching him and walking away. I'm not saying I felt he should die, but I felt like what he did pretty much cancelled our friendship and he became a lost cause.

And I liked Elthina. Also, Sebastian being mad was kind of a non-issue.

[Afro_Explosion]

thats1evildude wrote...

I chose to spare Anders a grim fate by killing him in DA2. Some would call it murder, but I called it "mercy."

Also, I was getting kinda tired of his bulls***.

This. Mostly the mercy killing part, I figured Anders would lose more and more control over justice and eventually become a rabid abomination. 

Modifié par mx_keep13, 09 janvier 2014 - 11:32 .

[Orian Tabris]

1 hour in, 34 posts... Yep! This is going to be another one of those excessively long threads that we BSN users love so much. How many of them do we already have on this first page (currently) alone?

EDIT: 35 posts. I KNEW that would happen!

EDIT 2: Correction for "first".

Modifié par Orian Tabris, 09 janvier 2014 - 11:35 .

[AresKeith]

Veruin wrote...

I'm going to call BS on the "half the players spared Anders." Even if there is a "legitimate" reason to spare him, most people don't even pay attention to the lore and will kill him outright because of what he did.

Other than that, you're just going to have to be disappointed, and at best expect a codex/cameo. There is no way he's going to have as significant of a role as you're hoping.

Since Anders VA isn't gonna be in DA:I

I'm guessing if players spared him, then Vengeance fully takes over his body as a demon

[Lulupab]

eluvianix wrote...

Rassler wrote...
How amusing. Your join dates and not participating in DA2 forum section has made you ignorant. You were not around to see the Anders fans it seems, pity. AT THE VERY LEAST 40% of players let Anders live. I find it quite childish that you cannot think outside of the box, the box being your own opinion of Anders. His thread was much more popular than Fenris's. The only male character with more fans was Varric and I don't think that needs any explaining. I mean just look at this thread, 10 people who liked and let anders live appeared in this very thread in less than 5 minutes. But feel free to fool yourself that Anders is dead in most playthtoughs. I will not argue about this further so don't bother.

Drop the attitude, jerk. Get off your damned high horse. And please give me a source for your so called 40%. 

If dealing in cold hard facts makes me a jerk so be it. There can never be a static showing how many killed/spared Anders. He doesn't have a source and I don't have one either but I have been around long enough to see there are many Anders fans and those who kept him alive. There were many threads in here and talk pages of wiki. I can't be bothered to find them all for you just to prove a fact to you but here look at some of them. I just spend 15 minutes fidning these for you and yes rigth after you called me a jerk. As you read them you will see that half the people usually kept him alive, for reasons of their own. At best Anders fans and people who spared outnumber those who didn't. But I am not here to boast about this. I'm here to discuss what happens if he is spared. Stop arguing about numbers, please.

dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Anders_or_Sebastian%3F-_Final_Decision

http://social.biowar...index/6489090/3

http://s15.zetaboard...opic/7002225/1/

http://www.gamefaqs....58943051?page=2

wow-tng.org/showthread.php?21184-The-Dragon-Age-2-Endings-and-MASSIVE-SPOILER-thread

Modifié par Rassler, 09 janvier 2014 - 11:37 .

[Nefla]

Or it could mean that Justine's VA is doing a different character, like he did Owen in DA:O, the VA's for both gender Hawkes, Fenris, Varric, and others did the voices of different characters in DA:O than they did in DA2.

[Hellion Rex]

AresKeith wrote...

Veruin wrote...

I'm going to call BS on the "half the players spared Anders." Even if there is a "legitimate" reason to spare him, most people don't even pay attention to the lore and will kill him outright because of what he did.

Other than that, you're just going to have to be disappointed, and at best expect a codex/cameo. There is no way he's going to have as significant of a role as you're hoping.

Since Anders VA isn't gonna be in DA:I

I'm guessing if players spared him, then Vengeance fully takes over his body as a demon

Agreed. Either that, or he won't appear at all. I don't mind either option. 

[Orian Tabris]

AresKeith wrote...

Veruin wrote...

I'm going to call BS on the "half the players spared Anders." Even if there is a "legitimate" reason to spare him, most people don't even pay attention to the lore and will kill him outright because of what he did.

Other than that, you're just going to have to be disappointed, and at best expect a codex/cameo. There is no way he's going to have as significant of a role as you're hoping.

Since Anders VA isn't gonna be in DA:I

I'm guessing if players spared him, then Vengeance fully takes over his body as a demon

Where are you getting this information from?

If you recall, Anders' voice in DA2 is not the same as in Origins (for whatever reason, I don't actually know).

[Hellion Rex]

Rassler wrote...
If dealing in cold hard facts makes me a jerk so be it. There can never be a static showing how many killed/spared Anders. He doesn't have a source and I don't have one either but I have been around long enough to see there are many Anders fans and those who kept him alive. There were many threads in here and talk pages of wiki. I can't be bothered to find them all for you just to prove a fact to you but here look at some of them. I just spend 15 minutes fidning these for you and yes rigth after you called me a jerk. As you read them you will see that half the people usually kept him alive, for reasons of their own. At best Anders fans and people who spared outnumber those who didn't. But I am not here to boast about this. I'm here to discuss what happens if he is spared. Stop arguing about numbers, please. 

It wasn't the facts I had a problem with. It was your rude responses to everyone else that pissed me off. 

[Veruin]

Orian Tabris wrote...

Where are you getting this information from?

If you recall, Anders' voice in DA2 is not the same as in Origins (for whatever reason, I don't actually know).

It would be a bit foolish to change his VA for a third time.

Modifié par Veruin, 09 janvier 2014 - 11:39 .

[Hellion Rex]

Orian Tabris wrote...
Where are you getting this information from?

If you recall, Anders' voice in DA2 is not the same as in Origins (for whatever reason, I don't actually know).

Anders DA2 voice actor tweeted he wasn't in DAI a while ago. 

[AresKeith]

Orian Tabris wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Veruin wrote...

I'm going to call BS on the "half the players spared Anders." Even if there is a "legitimate" reason to spare him, most people don't even pay attention to the lore and will kill him outright because of what he did.

Other than that, you're just going to have to be disappointed, and at best expect a codex/cameo. There is no way he's going to have as significant of a role as you're hoping.

Since Anders VA isn't gonna be in DA:I

I'm guessing if players spared him, then Vengeance fully takes over his body as a demon

Where are you getting this information from?

If you recall, Anders' voice in DA2 is not the same as in Origins (for whatever reason, I don't actually know).

They changed his voice back in DA2 because in DA:A his VA was Cullen's VA

It's wouldn't make sense to change it again

[Veruin]

Rassler wrote...
 I'm here to discuss what happens if he is spared. Stop arguing about numbers, please. 

You already got your answer.  Because it's an optional choice, it'll be a cameo/codex.  There is no way he will play any significant role.

Modifié par Veruin, 09 janvier 2014 - 11:44 .

[Orian Tabris]

eluvianix wrote...

Orian Tabris wrote...
Where are you getting this information from?

If you recall, Anders' voice in DA2 is not the same as in Origins (for whatever reason, I don't actually know).

Anders DA2 voice actor tweeted he wasn't in DAI a while ago.

Ah, alright.

I don't use Twitter... <_<

Did he say anything about the original VA returning? Or a 3rd voice actor? I assume he didn't, otherwise people wouldn't be saying that he's not in DA:I. Just checking.

Chances are he's going to be like the Warden/Warden Commander: never appearing, but getting mentioned.

Modifié par Orian Tabris, 09 janvier 2014 - 11:43 .

[wolfhowwl]

Well, railroading forced the player to let Anders accomplish his goals.

Seems like you need to accept that this is the story Bioware wants to tell.

[Orian Tabris]

AresKeith wrote...

They changed his voice back in DA2 because in DA:A his VA was Cullen's VA

It's wouldn't make sense to change it again

...Huh? That almost sounds familiar... The fact, not the voice.

Modifié par Orian Tabris, 09 janvier 2014 - 11:47 .

[Mr.House]

Orian Tabris wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Veruin wrote...

I'm going to call BS on the "half the players spared Anders." Even if there is a "legitimate" reason to spare him, most people don't even pay attention to the lore and will kill him outright because of what he did.

Other than that, you're just going to have to be disappointed, and at best expect a codex/cameo. There is no way he's going to have as significant of a role as you're hoping.

Since Anders VA isn't gonna be in DA:I

I'm guessing if players spared him, then Vengeance fully takes over his body as a demon

Where are you getting this information from?

If you recall, Anders' voice in DA2 is not the same as in Origins (for whatever reason, I don't actually know).

Anders VA was changed in DA2 because his va in DA:A wast he same VA as Cullen from DAo. Since Cullen was also a important character in the game, they decided to find a new VA for Anders. I highly doubt they are getting a new VA because reasons.

[Veruin]

Orian Tabris wrote...

...Huh? That almost sounds familiar... The fact, not the voice.

Anora and Isabela shared the same VA in Origins as well.