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[Texhnolyze101]

AresKeith wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Blowing up chantrys can be used as a demoralizing tactic that could prove very useful and one my inquisitor would happily use and recruit Anders and have him leading the demolition teams.

Don't see how that's a demoralizing tactic when the Templars aren't part of the chantry anymore

Seems like an excuse for unstable people

Blowing up chantrys would be sending a message to the divine that once i deal with the templars and the fade tear she and the rest of her associates are next on my hit list.

[General TSAR]

.....and every religious individual in Thedas.

[Orian Tabris]

Rassler wrote...

Orian Tabris wrote...

LISTEN TO ME:

• Anders is not in the Fade
• Vengeance is ONLY in the Fade when Anders' body enters, whereupon the spirit takes CONTROL
• Vegeance cannot control Anders' body unless Anders' rage begins to go out of control
• I have no idea how or if Anders can take over Vengeance in the Fade
• Anders will most likely be unable to move UNLESS in the Fade, once Vengeance takes over the host body
• Vengeance and Anders are mentally linked
• Vengance has no control over Anders unless he becomes enraged, possibly weakening his mind, allowing for Vengeance to control the body
• Vengeance cannot do anything in the mortal realm unless Anders gets enraged
• Anders cannot do anything in the Fade, except maybe in a specific case, I don't know
• The only thing the two can do is "live" inside the body
• Once Anders dies, Vengeance will likely go back to the Fade, possibly as Justice
• The TWO ARE AS ONE

Some of them are false like seriosly. Justice is STUCK outside of the fade thanks to baroness. Anders says Justice was dying as he was stuck outside the fade without a host so he offered himself. So no Justice is fully in Thedas and when you take Anders to fade and Justice takes over he says he missed the fade.

There is no saying what happens once Anders dies. He could not go back when he left Kristoff's body.

Rest of them are true.

If Justice had gone back into the Fade as Kristoff, he'd still be in control, but only because Kristoff was already dead.

I have not forgotten, in fact used the fact as my information, that Vengeance is in control in the Fade.

I reckon that since Kristoff was already dead when Justice took over, that if Anders' dies, with Vengeance inside him, the spirit will die. Vengeance was connected to Anders mentally, and Justice was connected to Kristoff's body physically, but not mentally.

[AresKeith]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Blowing up chantrys can be used as a demoralizing tactic that could prove very useful and one my inquisitor would happily use and recruit Anders and have him leading the demolition teams.

Don't see how that's a demoralizing tactic when the Templars aren't part of the chantry anymore

Seems like an excuse for unstable people

Blowing up chantrys would be sending a message to the divine that once i deal with the templars and the fade tear she and the rest of her associates are next on my hit list.

I take it you never bothered to read Asunder

[Texhnolyze101]

AresKeith wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Blowing up chantrys can be used as a demoralizing tactic that could prove very useful and one my inquisitor would happily use and recruit Anders and have him leading the demolition teams.

Don't see how that's a demoralizing tactic when the Templars aren't part of the chantry anymore

Seems like an excuse for unstable people

Blowing up chantrys would be sending a message to the divine that once i deal with the templars and the fade tear she and the rest of her associates are next on my hit list.

I take it you never bothered to read Asunder

Nope and i don't intend to but i do know that the current divine is suppose to be nice but that's irrelevant to me since i don't like what she and the chantry stands for as a whole and i'm going to kill her.

[Orian Tabris]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

@Orian

Does Anders forget what Justice does because he's in the Fade at the time that Justice takes over his body?

No, the memories of the spirit and the host are not affected with any of the transitions.

[Veruin]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Nope and i don't intend to but i do know that the current divine is suppose to be nice but that's irrelevant to me since i don't like what she and the chantry stands for as a whole and i'm going to kill her.

"I don't like you, so you should die"

I really hope this is just a forum personality.  Otherwise,  to the NSA guy reading this, TAKE A ****ING HINT.

[Silfren]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

I take it you never bothered to read Asunder

Nope and i don't intend to but i do know that the current divine is suppose to be nice but that's irrelevant to me since i don't like what she and the chantry stands for as a whole and i'm going to kill her.

Yes, because you know for a fact that of course you'll have that option. 

[Cainhurst Crow]

So why should I give a crap about anders suicide again?

[Texhnolyze101]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...


Blowing up chantrys would be sending a message to the divine that once i deal with the templars and the fade tear she and the rest of her associates are next on my hit list.

That's a rather pointless crusade to go on after a war that will probably ravage the land. If anything, you'll need the Chantrys to house all of the displaced people after the war.

But you know, if your Inquisitor wants to pointlessly and illogically destroy resources, then I guess that's his peragotive. 

The chantry doesn't offer anything i see worth keeping them around for and all those displaced people can  just rebuild whatever crappy town they lived in before.

[Orian Tabris]

Silfren wrote...

Rassler wrote...

Vengeace only takes over when Anders is angry.

Or in the Fade, or when Anders is fighting against what Vengeance wants.  But my point has nothing to do when and how Vengeance is able to assume control, but rather that it is incorrect to say that Vengeance can't take him over.  He indisputably can and does.

I NEVER said that Vengeance CAN'T take him over. I am saying that it takes over Anders' body and then controls his body.

[General TSAR]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...
Nope and i don't intend to but i do know that the current divine is suppose to be nice but that's irrelevant to me since i don't like what she and the chantry stands for as a whole and i'm going to kill her.

How do you know you have such an option sweetheart?

[Texhnolyze101]

Silfren wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

I take it you never bothered to read Asunder

Nope and i don't intend to but i do know that the current divine is suppose to be nice but that's irrelevant to me since i don't like what she and the chantry stands for as a whole and i'm going to kill her.

Yes, because you know for a fact that of course you'll have that option. 

I can only hope lol

[Orian Tabris]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

So why should I give a crap about anders suicide again?

He didn't commit suicide. Anyway, if you give a crap, that's your perogative, but if you don't, well, that's your perogative too.

[Yggdrasil]

My personal image is that Anders and (my "canon") Hawke ran off into the sunset together where they enjoyed some unspecified happy ending together. Ergo, I'd rather not have Anders appear in DA:I. This is why I don't mind a different Dragon Age protagonist for each game. I like to imagine some vague happily-ever-after for them if they don't die like my "canon" Warden with his Ultimate Sacrifice, (which I still think is one of the most brilliant and satisfying endings to a video game).

[Silfren]

Orian Tabris wrote...

I NEVER said that Vengeance CAN'T take him over. I am saying that it takes over Anders' body and then controls his body.

Yes, you did.

Orian Tabris wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Pretty sure by this time Vengeance took over if still alive

Vengeance can't take over him. They "are as one." The only thing vegeance can do is replace him in the mortal realm, fulltime (ignoring the fact that it was actually in the mortal realm anyway, since it was unable to do
anything). Eventually Vengeance might replace him in the mortal realm, while Anders replaces it in the Fade.

Basically, Vengeance is just slowly leaving the Fade and entering the mortal realm permanently, for good(?).

The entire point of this thread of discussion was you denying that Vengeance can take over Anders and quibbling over semantic differences where none actually apply.  But it's clear to me now that you're just a troll, so I'm going to find better things to waste my time on. 

Modifié par Silfren, 10 janvier 2014 - 01:30 .

[Texhnolyze101]

General TSAR wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...
Nope and i don't intend to but i do know that the current divine is suppose to be nice but that's irrelevant to me since i don't like what she and the chantry stands for as a whole and i'm going to kill her.

How do you know you have such an option sweetheart?

I don't i'm just hoping there is but i suspect Bioware will make me befriend her or make all the dialog i can say be respectful or something else equally awful.

[Angrywolves]

Silfren wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

I take it you never bothered to read Asunder

Nope and i don't intend to but i do know that the current divine is suppose to be nice but that's irrelevant to me since i don't like what she and the chantry stands for as a whole and i'm going to kill her.

Yes, because you know for a fact that of course you'll have that option. 

I hope he doesn't have that option.

Some people take a video game far too seriously,like it's real life.

I do think FBI criminal profilers should study some posters here on the forum,.They might learn something.

Modifié par Angrywolves, 10 janvier 2014 - 01:29 .

[Mr.House]

Silfren wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

Orian Tabris wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...


Andraste most likely did the same thing to Tevinter yet no one is going on about her and what things she probably did that caused "innocent' people to die.

Maybe because this is a conversation about Anders and not Andraste?

That and because 101 is clearly an extremist player who hates the Chantry, and just assumes that there are others like him/her.

I swear, I'm one of the few people on this site who isn't an extremist. As far as I'm concerned, all companions are excellent, DA2 was excellent, even if it sucked in comparison to Origins, and I realise the difference between mages and templars and good and evil.

I like his character(especially compared to Awakening), though I see him more as a tragic character than a heroic one.

+1 

Anders is one of the best examples of tragic characters I've seen in a while.

One has to feel sorry for the character so they can be labled tragic.

[Grieving Natashina]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Orian Tabris wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

@Orian

Does Anders forget what Justice does because he's in the Fade at the time that Justice takes over his body?

No, the memories of the spirit and the host are not affected with any of the transitions.

Are you saying Anders doesn't lose memory in the transitions?

Hanar is right.  While Anders admits it a little on the friendship path, as a rival he makes that quite clear.

And this turned into a typical Anders thread.  Sorry OP, I know you tried. 

I'll be heading back to Origins in a few.  Getting close to the Landsmeet, and I'm looking forward to completing Awakenings for the first time. 

[AresKeith]

Silfren wrote...

Orian Tabris wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Rassler wrote...

Vengeace only takes over when Anders is angry.

Or in the Fade, or when Anders is fighting against what Vengeance wants.  But my point has nothing to do when and how Vengeance is able to assume control, but rather that it is incorrect to say that Vengeance can't take him over.  He indisputably can and does.

I NEVER said that Vengeance CAN'T take him over. I am saying that it takes over Anders' body and then controls his body.

Yes, you did.

Orian Tabris wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Pretty sure by this time Vengeance took over if still alive

Vengeance
can't take over him. They "are as one." The only thing vegeance can do
is replace him in the mortal realm, fulltime (ignoring the fact that it
was actually in the mortal realm anyway, since it was unable to do
anything). Eventually Vengeance might replace him in the mortal realm,
while Anders replaces it in the Fade.

Basically, Vengeance is just slowly leaving the Fade and entering the mortal realm permanently, for good(?).

Like I said, he's trolling

[Orian Tabris]

Silfren wrote...

Orian Tabris wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Rassler wrote...

Vengeace only takes over when Anders is angry.

Or in the Fade, or when Anders is fighting against what Vengeance wants.  But my point has nothing to do when and how Vengeance is able to assume control, but rather that it is incorrect to say that Vengeance can't take him over.  He indisputably can and does.

I NEVER said that Vengeance CAN'T take him over. I am saying that it takes over Anders' body and then controls his body.

Yes, you did.

Orian Tabris wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Pretty sure by this time Vengeance took over if still alive

Vengeance
can't take over him. They "are as one." The only thing vegeance can do
is replace him in the mortal realm, fulltime (ignoring the fact that it
was actually in the mortal realm anyway, since it was unable to do
anything). Eventually Vengeance might replace him in the mortal realm,
while Anders replaces it in the Fade.

Basically, Vengeance is just slowly leaving the Fade and entering the mortal realm permanently, for good(?).

Fine, I did once. I made a mistake.