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[N7Gold]

I've been thinking about Synthesis lately, and I'm sure everyone else has, considering how long the topic of Synthesis with the Extended Cut cutscenes is still going strong. Some, if not few people haven't said a word about this, so it's about time someone does, and that would be me.

In the Leviathan DLC, it is revealed that the Reapers, despite their actions against their Leviathan creators, are working to bring peace between organic and synthetic life on behalf of the descendants of their creators, and establish some kind of connection between all life.  The question nobody seems to ask is how does Synthesis benefit the needs of the Leviathans? Illusive Man implied during the Thessia mission that if the Reapers really wanted to destroy all life, they could do it with ease. He is hinting that they are trying to control everyone, but the problem is, the Reapers, being machines, have no need for slaves and resources. But what about their creators, the Leviathans? They most definitely used to have slaves and resources in spades before the Reapers were made.

Where am I getting at with this? Well, I'm saying that Synthesis is the ideal solution to the Catalyst, Reapers and Leviathans, but not to us. On the outside, the soultion alters the "matrix" of the galaxy, giving all organic and synthetic life the same strange DNA which supposedly gives organics the strengths of synthetics and synthetics the full understanding of their organic creators, which brings peace between the two different forms of life, but on the inside, that peace is an illusion. Do any of you remember how in the Leviathan DLC, when a Leviathan controls the mind of someone, that person is sent into a cold, dark void as if he/she has been taken someplace else?

Well, that blank space reminds me of the blank white space in the Matrix movies where objects like tables, cars, and doors materialize out of nowhere. If the Leviathans take advantage of the connection established by the Synthesis DNA, controlling all organics and synthetics in the galaxy, every last one of them will probably be imprisoned in a dream world version of their galaxy, under the delusion that they are living their lives in peace when in reality, outside their minds, they are slaves of their Leviathan masters. In The Matrix movies, people plugged into the Matrix are under the delusion that they are living normal, everyday lives in a "normal" world when in reality they are trapped in a computer world ruled and governed by machines and their agent programs.

In short, Synthesis isn't a true evolutionary phenomenon, it's a method of control that the Catalyst wants to establish for the descendants of his creators so they can regain their former glory as the apex of life, possibly trapping all organic and synthetic life in a Matrix-like dream world so they'll never know that some upstart race who look like Reapers want to use them as tools.

[AlanC9]

Oh, great. More IT.

[MrMrPendragon]

Synthesis is the final step towards evolution, but it doesn't necessarily keep the peace the Leviathans envisioned. People will still kill people no matter how mixed their genes are, the only difference is that in synthesis, everyone would just be fully evolved.

If my idea of synthesis is correct, meaning equal parts synthetic and organic, that means the self-interest trait of organics will still be present. If that thing disappears, then they are more synthetic than organic, which makes Synthesis not a viable solution given that synthetics will have the upper hand in the relationship. But if it's still there, chaos will still happen.

I don't think there's even a perfect solution to the Leviathans' problem. Which is why the Reapers are doing what they're doing.

The main problem is "Preserve life at all cost" right? Which essentially means absolute everlasting peace between Organics & Synthetics. That can never happen - ever. There's no such thing as absolute peace. Balance is the key, but the catalyst being a synthetic, he doesn't get that. So he keeps repeating the same bs for a million years but never reaching his goal.

I don't know exactly what happens to organics in the Synthesis ending (aside from what ME3 shows) but it's supposed to be a solution to the Reaper threat, not the solution to the Leviathans' problem.

Which is, if you think about it, pretty stupid. You're trying to solve TWO drastically different scenarios with ONE solution. The Reaper threat & the synthetics vs organics threat, but the thing is, there's no solution for the second one - but the Catalyst thinks there is - so he makes you choose one out of 4 solutions.

Modifié par ArcherTactlenecks, 10 janvier 2014 - 07:31 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

@ OP --- NO.

[Frybread76]

 Synthesis gives me a headache when I try to make sense of it.  I just don't see how it could work on any level.

[AlanC9]

Frybread76 wrote...

 Synthesis gives me a headache when I try to make sense of it.  I just don't see how it could work on any level.

So don't pick it?

[wright1978]

Well if it is an evolutionary phenomenom it is evolutionary stunting imo.

[Frybread76]

AlanC9 wrote...

Frybread76 wrote...

 Synthesis gives me a headache when I try to make sense of it.  I just don't see how it could work on any level.

So don't pick it?

I don't.   Thanks.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Synthesis is one of those things where you just have to take the epilogue at face value and that it leads to peace, somehow. The whole thing is goofy and I don't think there is any logical way to make sense out of it, except for the fact that the BioWare painted it as a positive.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

It is the Disney happy ending for the story.

[MrMrPendragon]

Not enough musical numbers to be a Disney ending

Modifié par ArcherTactlenecks, 10 janvier 2014 - 07:41 .

[robbo316]

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

Synthesis is one of those things where you just have to take the epilogue at face value and that it leads to peace, somehow. The whole thing is goofy and I don't think there is any logical way to make sense out of it, except for the fact that the BioWare painted it as a positive.

Can I just make a small point here? It's NOT REAL!!!!!  Seriously, is it logical that EVERY species in the galaxy can speak English?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

robbo316 wrote...

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

Synthesis is one of those things where you just have to take the epilogue at face value and that it leads to peace, somehow. The whole thing is goofy and I don't think there is any logical way to make sense out of it, except for the fact that the BioWare painted it as a positive.

Can I just make a small point here? It's NOT REAL!!!!!  Seriously, is it logical that EVERY species in the galaxy can speak English?

The handwavium of universal translators in omni-tools.

[Farangbaa]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

robbo316 wrote...

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

Synthesis is one of those things where you just have to take the epilogue at face value and that it leads to peace, somehow. The whole thing is goofy and I don't think there is any logical way to make sense out of it, except for the fact that the BioWare painted it as a positive.

Can I just make a small point here? It's NOT REAL!!!!!  Seriously, is it logical that EVERY species in the galaxy can speak English?

The handwavium of universal translators in omni-tools.

Which fails to translate 'Bosh'tet' and 'Keelah se-lai'.

[shodiswe]

It might not be the end of all conflicts. But at least they might not be fighting because they are Organic VS Synthetic.

It's not the end of evolution or development, we're told EDI thinks they will keep evolving. Evolution is based on conflcit and hardship to be overcome.

It's never been said to be the end of evolution, though the Catalyst tells you it doesn't know what waits beyond Synthesis, which is reasonable given that it's beyond the Catalyst, and so is the future for all of us.

Modifié par shodiswe, 11 janvier 2014 - 01:03 .

[ImaginaryMatter]

Psychevore wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

The handwavium of universal translators in omni-tools.

Which fails to translate 'Bosh'tet' and 'Keelah se-lai'.

Eh, maybe those words are lost in translation or they penetrated into the English vernacular.

The handwave was good enough for me (I mean if they have computer programs that can hold conversations with people a real time translator doesn't seem like much of a stretch), although I wish at some point (probably ME2) there would be a segment where the translators broke and Shepard and crew can no longer understand each other so they all start pointing vigorously at things and talking loudly while trying to communicate with one another. Of course, they will all have weird languages, like Garrus would sound like a velociraptor, the Asari would sound like elves or something, the Krogan might ironically have a pleasant sounding language, etc. And then maybe as far as the xenophilia is concerned, maybe part of that would be learning the other species language.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Psychevore wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

robbo316 wrote...

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

Synthesis is one of those things where you just have to take the epilogue at face value and that it leads to peace, somehow. The whole thing is goofy and I don't think there is any logical way to make sense out of it, except for the fact that the BioWare painted it as a positive.

Can I just make a small point here? It's NOT REAL!!!!!  Seriously, is it logical that EVERY species in the galaxy can speak English?

The handwavium of universal translators in omni-tools.

Which fails to translate 'Bosh'tet' and 'Keelah se-lai'.

Handwavium: rule of cool.

[MattFini]

I chuckle each time StarChild tells me synthesis is the final step in evolution.

But I haven't given synthesis serious thought...ever.

[MrMrPendragon]

If it isn't the final step in evolution, that kinda makes it a horrible solution to the "synthetics vs organics" problem.

As Mordin once said, organics make synthetics or tools to overcome limitations, which then leads to organics eventually creating advanced enough synthetics that could destroy them.

So if someone is full evolved, no matter what selective pressure is done to that individual, he/she can adapt to that, without the use of tools or synthetics.

But since synthesis apparently isn't the final step in evolution, that means individuals will still be prone to creating tools to adapt to selective pressures and limitations, making synthesis an non-viable solution to the problem. Although there really isn't any solution to that problem.

[AlanC9]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Psychevore wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
The handwavium of universal translators in omni-tools.

Which fails to translate 'Bosh'tet' and 'Keelah se-lai'.

Handwavium: rule of cool.

Right. Same reason Bio has the non-humans lip-synched even though the translators should make them all look like they're badly dubbed.

[Dean_the_Young]

I always thought that was a missed opportunity in the Citadel DLC. Especially the Javik movie-scene. Bad lip synch, ahoy!

Of course, I also thought Bioware missed an opportunity by having Cerberus/the Reapers/Collectors shake things up by using a cyberattack to shut down translators. Shepard's alleged leadership skills could have come to play if they had to address a crisis on the Normandy while half the cast was suddenly speaking gooblygock.

[MegaSovereign]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

I always thought that was a missed opportunity in the Citadel DLC. Especially the Javik movie-scene. Bad lip synch, ahoy!

Of course, I also thought Bioware missed an opportunity by having Cerberus/the Reapers/Collectors shake things up by using a cyberattack to shut down translators. Shepard's alleged leadership skills could have come to play if they had to address a crisis on the Normandy while half the cast was suddenly speaking gooblygock.

I can't be the only one who envisioned Garrus sounding like a pterodactyl.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The other thing is that if they didn't all speak English you wouldn't be able to understand them. Imagine this: some members of your crew speak Chinese, others Russian, and others English, then you throw space aliens into the mix. That would have been fun.

[NeonFlux117]

Is submission not preferable to extinction.

In synthesis you are building a bridge between man and machine. The strengths of both. The weaknesses of neither.

Even Kai Leng tells you- "We evolve or we die"

It is something that cannot be "forced". But the Reapers tried something like it before....

It is the final stage of evolution. Perfect. One singular DNA for all. Enlightenment for organic and synthetic life alike. One.

Fight as one.

Synthesis is a great choice.

From a certain point of view.

And it's all about perception in the Mass Effect trilogy.

Context is key in understanding what this saga is about.

[Farangbaa]

MattFini wrote...

I chuckle each time StarChild tells me synthesis is the final step in evolution.

But I haven't given synthesis serious thought...ever.

By the time ME is set synthesis should already have been completed. We're already moving towards it right now, in real life.