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ArcherTactlenecks wrote...

Synthesis is the final step towards evolution, but it doesn't necessarily keep the peace the Leviathans envisioned. People will still kill people no matter how mixed their genes are, the only difference is that in synthesis, everyone would just be fully evolved.

If my idea of synthesis is correct, meaning equal parts synthetic and organic, that means the self-interest trait of organics will still be present. If that thing disappears, then they are more synthetic than organic, which makes Synthesis not a viable solution given that synthetics will have the upper hand in the relationship. But if it's still there, chaos will still happen.

I don't think there's even a perfect solution to the Leviathans' problem. Which is why the Reapers are doing what they're doing.

The main problem is "Preserve life at all cost" right? Which essentially means absolute everlasting peace between Organics & Synthetics. That can never happen - ever. There's no such thing as absolute peace. Balance is the key, but the catalyst being a synthetic, he doesn't get that. So he keeps repeating the same bs for a million years but never reaching his goal.

I don't know exactly what happens to organics in the Synthesis ending (aside from what ME3 shows) but it's supposed to be a solution to the Reaper threat, not the solution to the Leviathans' problem.

Which is, if you think about it, pretty stupid. You're trying to solve TWO drastically different scenarios with ONE solution. The Reaper threat & the synthetics vs organics threat, but the thing is, there's no solution for the second one - but the Catalyst thinks there is - so he makes you choose one out of 4 solutions.


If Synthesis really is the final step towards evolution, how come the Leathans, who claim to be the apex of life in the galaxy show no signs of having that odd DNA in them? If it doesn't provide the peace the Leviathans requested the Catalyst to create, why is the solution ideal?

You are right, however, the self-interest traits of organics will still be present, but what you don't understand is with the Synthesis DNA being the Leviathans' new means of controlling and protecting organics and synthetics, they will be able to prevent all outcomes of a chaotic conflict, keeping tabs on the activities of all life. Eons ago, the Leviathans could not protect organics from themselves because there was no connection established between all organic life, their crystal balls only enable them to control who is near the ball. Remember how the mind control of the Leviathans work like a Quantum Entanglement Communicator? The device Shepard uses to speak to Illusive Man in ME2 and Anderson and Hackett in ME3?

The Reapers are doing what they are doing because the Leviathans requested them to find an ideal solution to their cause at any cost, and what they didn't anticipate is the Catalyst needed to harvest most of them so that he can create the Reapers, an enemy that is difficult to defeat by conventional means so that the organics the Reapers attack will be forced to fight for their survival and build a machine the Reapers themselves designed: The Crucible. However, before the Crucible can be deployed, the Reapers need to make sure the organics don't use the Crucible to destroy them without removing the Crucible's ability to destroy all synthetic life, so they resort to indoctrinating a group of organics, like the splinter faction of the Prothean empire and Cerberus, and convince the non-indoctrinated faction that either surrendering to the Reapers and helping them build a utopia for oganics and synthetic to live in peace (Synthesis) or controlling a powerful foe (Control) are the best courses of actions to stop the harvest rather than killing the Reapers, and if that failed, the fact there's still the possibility that the individual who will use the crucible won't choose Destroy once they know what happens, because the Catalyst knows most organics can't swallow the grim truth that sometimes the right choice is not always the easy ones.


You can't see the deception the Catalyst and Reapers put around Shepard in the end, can you? This is how the Reapers win-- tricking you into choosing Synthesis and sending all life in the galaxy into an illusion of peace, or choosing Control so that the Reapers still live to one day break free from Shepard's control and continue harvesting organic life until someone in a future cycle completes the Crucible and chooses Synthesis, they don't win by allowing the harvest to continue, that was never their true goal, contrary to popular belief.

Modifié par N7Gold, 11 janvier 2014 - 01:33 .


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Frybread76 wrote...

 Synthesis gives me a headache when I try to make sense of it.  I just don't see how it could work on any level.



Don't think about space magic, think about how Quantum Entanglement Comminication works, how the mind control features of the Leviathans work like the QEC devices and how the connection established by the Synthesis DNA supports that kind of communicaiton.

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shodiswe wrote...

It might not be the end of all conflicts. But at least they might not be fighting because they are Organic VS Synthetic.

It's not the end of evolution or development, we're told EDI thinks they will keep evolving. Evolution is based on conflcit and hardship to be overcome.

It's never been said to be the end of evolution, though the Catalyst tells you it doesn't know what waits beyond Synthesis, which is reasonable given that it's beyond the Catalyst, and so is the future for all of us.


It will be the end of all conflicts, because under absolute Leviathan control, they will make sure that none of their servants get killed off, because a dead race can't pay tribute to their "greatness".

That's not what he said, he said Synthesis is inevitable and that it is the ideal solution. And this is coming from a machine who hasn't existed as long as his creators have.

Modifié par N7Gold, 11 janvier 2014 - 01:48 .


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Psychevore wrote...

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I chuckle each time StarChild tells me synthesis is the final step in evolution.

But I haven't given synthesis serious thought...ever.


By the time ME is set synthesis should already have been completed. We're already moving towards it right now, in real life.


Yeah, if the Reapers exist in real life. Wake up, there is no true end to evolution, every race continually and endlessly adapts different environments, just like how Tali's immune system adapted from intimate contact with Shepard.

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N7Gold wrote...

Psychevore wrote...

MattFini wrote...

I chuckle each time StarChild tells me synthesis is the final step in evolution.

But I haven't given synthesis serious thought...ever.


By the time ME is set synthesis should already have been completed. We're already moving towards it right now, in real life.


Yeah, if the Reapers exist in real life. Wake up, there is no true end to evolution, every race continually and endlessly adapts different environments, just like how Tali's immune system adapted from intimate contact with Shepard.


By synthesis I mean the merging of technology and biology. I should probably have been clearer about it, though I honestly thought that no one would assume I thought the Reapers were real.

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Psychevore wrote...

though I honestly thought that no one would assume I thought the Reapers were real.


To be fair, you never know with this place. I get the feeling some people still have imaginary friends and monsters living under their beds.

Modifié par StreetMagic, 11 janvier 2014 - 03:31 .


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AlanC9 wrote...

Oh, great. More IT.



I find it ironic, though, how IT'ers go on about "living in a dream world" while holding their own grandiose delusions of how indominable they are against the big bad Catalys's influence. Just saying...

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 11 janvier 2014 - 05:13 .


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Dean_the_Young wrote...

I always thought that was a missed opportunity in the Citadel DLC. Especially the Javik movie-scene. Bad lip synch, ahoy!

Of course, I also thought Bioware missed an opportunity by having Cerberus/the Reapers/Collectors shake things up by using a cyberattack to shut down translators. Shepard's alleged leadership skills could have come to play if they had to address a crisis on the Normandy while half the cast was suddenly speaking gooblygock.

According to the codex on universal translators in Bring Down The Sky, every species capable of vocal communication is taught a common simplified trade language, using translators only when a concept can't be expressed in it. Meaning that Shepard isn't speaking to Tali in English and hearing her speak Khellish through a translator (I'd use a different example but I don't think any other species was given a named language). They're speaking Trade to each other, and you're hearing the English translation.