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[Mashiro Yuki]

Since I spent all my earnings on crack.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I've never understood why more people didn't turn to the military. Sure it's a commitment, but you do learn some very valuable skills there, especially if you go into the right field. Get into intelligence, get a security clearance, and you can make doors open for yourself very fast. Plus, you get money for college.

[Mashiro Yuki]

I had a pimp once. Now I'm a lone ho. Out on the mean streets with nothing but my looks and my brains.

I know, I was surprised I made money too.

[metatheurgist]

bmwcrazy wrote...
Here in the real world, it is all about the competition. Out of hundreds of resumes we get, of course we are picking out the people with bachelor's and master's degrees from the top schools and also with the most experience.

It's a great system. To get one of those degrees from a top school you need money. Which you don't have if you're poor. So you get a job to pay for it...except you don't have one of those degrees so you have to do one of those crap soul sucking jobs or sell your body to rich people, none of which is helping your self esteem and improving your odds of getting that degree. On the other hand, if you're born wealthy you don't even need a degree to get those great jobs, Daddy's network will hook you up. And if you screw up running on of those great jobs? Expect a golden parachute. Meanwhile the middle class is subsidising the upper class by paying the wages of their lower class employees because tipping is an acceptable practise, while paying a real wage is communism. But bailing out millionaires and banks when they screw up is not a handout, it's just good policy. Yeah, Capitalism!

[bmwcrazy]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Or if you're poor, you can use one of the plentiful financial aid options while working a part time job to help pay it off. Then you can get a degree, get paid, and you don't have to feel bitter about other people getting theirs.

Or scholarships.

[Ravensword]

bmwcrazy wrote...

RedArmyShogun wrote...

And as I pointed out thats not economically possible. Plus in case you did not notice as Western Europe has learned to its demise to an extent the service economy does NOT work. You must have a robust field of industries and professions. However the Min Wage should be a benchmark of the bare lowest for a citizen to make ends meet. But the problem isn't raising it.

Its stoping Corru...oh sorry "compitition" that makes the currencies around the world as worthless as they now are. But thats Dirty Commie Talk.

You're very worked up over this. 

Personally, I'm also against raising the minimum wage. But that's evil capitalist pig talk, amirite?

However, I think you've now gone off topic since you've brought up service economy. 

Any business owner that's against raising the minimum wage really just doesn't want to be forced to pay people a living wage, b/c that would cut into the profits. That's really what it comes down to.

[wolfhowwl]

It would be nice if Congress wasn't so inept that they would fail to link it to the CPI.

[Br3admax]

Why on God's green Earth should you feel good about doing the bare minimum and then being paid the bare minimum? "Why should I aspire? I'm making Warbucks money flipping burgers at McDonalds."

And people ask why total socialism doesn't work.

Modifié par Br3ad, 11 janvier 2014 - 02:47 .

[Dave of Canada]

My own incomprehension of the situation will come across loud and clear in this post, just to inform you ahead.

Would increasing the minimum wage by a large amount really solve anything? If they paid minimum wage workers 7-8$ and then increased it to 10-12 dollars, wouldn't the employees who were paid 10-12 because of education/experience/promotion feel cheapened? Wouldn't you need to increase their wages to compensate for the new minimum wage?

Suddenly across the board you're seeing an increase of wages, something which doesn't fix the initial problem because that money has to come from something and you'll just see a price hike.

If they don't increase the wage for those being paid 10-12 dollars, why should they aspire for anything more than being the bare minimum if the guy next to him who was hired yesterday with no experience is being paid the same?

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 11 janvier 2014 - 02:48 .

[Ravensword]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

Any business owner that's against raising the minimum wage really just doesn't want to be forced to pay people a living wage, b/c that would cut into the profits. That's really what it comes down to.

As much as I recognize your point--that's their job. YOUR job is not to take a pay cut so your employer can stay in business, just like it's not your employer's job to give you more money than you'll take. "Morals" or perhaps ethics aren't really a consideration.

Well, it becomes an issue when you're a large corporation that pays their full-time staff $7.25 an hour like McDonald's does. They make huge profits and can easily pay their full-time employees twice as much as they do now.

[Inquisitor Recon]

The world needs ditch diggers too.

[Br3admax]

Dave of Canada wrote...

My own incomprehension of the situation will come across loud and clear in this post, just to inform you ahead.

Would increasing the minimum wage by a large amount really solve anything? If they paid minimum wage workers 7-8$ and then increased it to 10-12 dollars, wouldn't the employees who were paid 10-12 because of education/experience/promotion feel cheapened? Wouldn't you need to increase their wages to compensate for the new minimum wage?

Suddenly across the board you're seeing an increase of wages, something which doesn't fix the initial problem because that money has to come from something and you'll just see a price hike.

If they don't increase the wage for those being paid 10-12 dollars, why should they aspire for anything more than being the bare minimum if the guy next to him who was hired yesterday with no experience is being paid the same?

Not just that, but raising the minimum wage will also have another effect. Yes, the quality of living for the employed will increase. However, jobs will decrease. Minimum wage causes the total amount of jobs to go down. We need a balance between dirt poor billions of workers, and Scrouge McDuck tens of workers(I'm talking extremes here). 

[AresKeith]

-_- 

[Ravensword]

Br3ad wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

My own incomprehension of the situation will come across loud and clear in this post, just to inform you ahead.

Would increasing the minimum wage by a large amount really solve anything? If they paid minimum wage workers 7-8$ and then increased it to 10-12 dollars, wouldn't the employees who were paid 10-12 because of education/experience/promotion feel cheapened? Wouldn't you need to increase their wages to compensate for the new minimum wage?

Suddenly across the board you're seeing an increase of wages, something which doesn't fix the initial problem because that money has to come from something and you'll just see a price hike.

If they don't increase the wage for those being paid 10-12 dollars, why should they aspire for anything more than being the bare minimum if the guy next to him who was hired yesterday with no experience is being paid the same?

Not just that, but raising the minimum wage will also have another effect. Yes, the quality of living for the employed will increase. However, jobs will decrease. Minimum wage causes the total amount of jobs to go down. We need a balance between dirt poor billions of workers, and Scrouge McDuck tens of workers(I'm talking extremes here). 

What about in a country like America, in which 10% of the top wealthy citizens own the vast majority of the country's wealth? There really is no balance between the most wealthy block of the country and everyone else.

[Br3admax]

Ravensword wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

My own incomprehension of the situation will come across loud and clear in this post, just to inform you ahead.

Would increasing the minimum wage by a large amount really solve anything? If they paid minimum wage workers 7-8$ and then increased it to 10-12 dollars, wouldn't the employees who were paid 10-12 because of education/experience/promotion feel cheapened? Wouldn't you need to increase their wages to compensate for the new minimum wage?

Suddenly across the board you're seeing an increase of wages, something which doesn't fix the initial problem because that money has to come from something and you'll just see a price hike.

If they don't increase the wage for those being paid 10-12 dollars, why should they aspire for anything more than being the bare minimum if the guy next to him who was hired yesterday with no experience is being paid the same?

Not just that, but raising the minimum wage will also have another effect. Yes, the quality of living for the employed will increase. However, jobs will decrease. Minimum wage causes the total amount of jobs to go down. We need a balance between dirt poor billions of workers, and Scrouge McDuck tens of workers(I'm talking extremes here). 

What about in a country like America, in which 10% of the top wealthy citizens own the vast majority of the country's wealth? There really is no balance between the most wealthy block of the country and everyone else.

Giving wealth to the poor won't solve the problem. Investing less in pay raises and more in education of the children will be the only thing that will solve America's problems. I say that as someone who does not live the best of lifestyles. Giving out more money is actually a lot worse than doing nothing. If our production goes up a lot more, we could actually afford to pay more in a meaningful way. That has to start early in a child's life, not when they are forty, with six kids, in a trailor park, and without a job. 

[Ravensword]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Ravensword wrote...


What about in a country like America, in which 10% of the top wealthy citizens own the vast majority of the country's wealth? There really is no balance between the most wealthy block of the country and everyone else.

My main concern is why would a person want to educate himself or learn a skill if he can make 15 bucks an hour pushing shopping carts?

If people think that pushing carts is the be-all end-all of life, then certainly they have issues. A crappy job is still a crappy job and increasing wages won't magically make a job better. Otherwise, do you want to keep the system where people are paid very little and end up going on public assitance or welfare; that the taxpayer should underwrite the profits of very wealthy corporations? That just burns my ass.

No one is gonna bag groceries until retirement just b/c it pays $15 an hour. One would think that a person would aspire to something better, but whether or not a person does so, is not my problem, nor do I care as long as they corporations they're working for are not sucking up taxpayer money by not paying their full-time employees enough to put food on the table w/o having to go on public assistance.