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[Kaiser Arian XVII]

working 6 hours a day for 25 days in a month -> 6 * 25 * 8 = 1200$ ... ain't that bad!

My father is a high ranked account manager (in a above average ranked office) and gets 1500$ per month. Oh, I forgot this is Middle East! Things aren't insane expensive like Europe and America.

I think having 2000$ income per month in America (if you have a house) is enough to have a OK life.

[TEWR]

I make 8.25 at my job right now and work at least 21 hours a week due to the store's winter hours, but on average I'm really working anywhere from 27-35 hours a week.

You're not really supposed to live off of it for your entire life. You can, but it's meant to just be a buffer job while you get your **** together in school. That's why most places try to hire teens/young adults.

If full adults try to live off those jobs, it has a weakening effect on the economy. Chances are the full adults will be hired over the teens because A) they're more experienced, they're desperate and perhaps more likely to take it seriously, and C) don't have school/other things that might create scheduling conflicts.

Teens/young adults can't get these jobs as a result, rendering it hard for them to get through college, and I guess the cycle just repeats.

Personally, I feel the minimum wage should increase, but not to the extreme that the people on strike are asking for. Fifteen bucks? ****, if that happened, cost for the food sold would have to increase. Not to mention the necessary increase in the wages of the other employees (Managers). In the end, it would seem (to me) to be a gain in the short term but a major loss in the long term.

When the economy settles in the U.S.A, then we can see about raising it to at most nine or ten bucks an hour. At most.

[Wall3T]

i went to college and graduated around 2010 and got an associate degree, only to end up getting min wage jobs to pay off the loans. no one wanted to hire me even after networking with people. Im also autistic but proved that i can be a winner, only to have people try and beat me down by choosing not to network with me. as a result im now getting social security benefits. i dont have a point, but it shows we all have different walks of life. I dont plan on giving up my degree or the life i have, but alot peoples view i see can be so archaic. sometimes getting a good education doesnt always mean a steady job or income. im always willing to commit and never give up however

Modifié par oOKyeOo, 11 janvier 2014 - 03:46 .

[Jarl Johnnie Walker]

Not if you're smart, manage your money well, and don't spend 80% of it on frivolous crap.
Pay your bills.
Keep up with your car.
Occasionally on weekends, go out and relax.
Don't move into some place that's a little out of your price range just because it looks better or it's bigger.
Don't buy/finance a vehicle that has terrible gas mileage or is just really unrealistically expensive for you. I'm all for getting a car that you like, but make sure that you won't struggle when you find one.
Oh, and for the love of steak, keeping up a good positive attitude does wonders. Don't be a debby downer ffs.

Some jobs are hard to get raises in, but it is possible. Or if you really don't wanna work for minimum wage, find a better paying job if you think you're up for it.

Would rather get paid minimum wage than not get paid jack crap.

Oh and if you're a woman, and you're reading this, then get back in the kitchen. Bright and early. Right this second. Your job is to fix me sammiches. Your payment is that privileged feeling of serving me.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Br3ad wrote...

Giving wealth to the poor won't solve the problem. Investing less in pay raises and more in education of the children will be the only thing that will solve America's problems. I say that as someone who does not live the best of lifestyles. Giving out more money is actually a lot worse than doing nothing. If our production goes up a lot more, we could actually afford to pay more in a meaningful way. That has to start early in a child's life, not when they are forty, with six kids, in a trailor park, and without a job. 

I agree that educating children better is a good Idea.

But the majority of people shouldn't be educated more than high school or college. This is only more budget to waste in Education.

What's the point of going to University when there is no job opportunity for engineers, doctors, lab scientists, human science eh managers etc. ... because the job market is in the state of suffusion or the economy is so bad , no one can establish/expand the office, clinic, etc.

Modifié par Kaiser Arian, 11 janvier 2014 - 03:52 .

[Elhanan]

Not such a dreadful experience for me at that time; simply glad to have found work after being unemployed for 3+ yrs. All this media-hyped furor is nonsensical to me.

[Br3admax]

Kaiser Arian wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Giving wealth to the poor won't solve the problem. Investing less in pay raises and more in education of the children will be the only thing that will solve America's problems. I say that as someone who does not live the best of lifestyles. Giving out more money is actually a lot worse than doing nothing. If our production goes up a lot more, we could actually afford to pay more in a meaningful way. That has to start early in a child's life, not when they are forty, with six kids, in a trailor park, and without a job. 

The majority of people shouldn't be educated more than high school or college. This is only more budget to waste in Education.

What's the point of going to University when there is no job opportunity for engineers, doctors, lab scientists, human science eh managers etc. ... because the job market is in the state of suffusion or the economy is so bad , no one can establish/expand the office, clinic, etc.

Those are some of the most secure jobs in the world. As opposed to the phasing out laborer. That's why. There is no such thing as wasing money in education. That kind of thinking is why my country is 17 in that aspect. Because some people thought that education was a waste, and then these educated idiots began running it. 

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Minimum wage in Australia is ~$15. Works okay here I guess.

[Cainhurst Crow]

CrustyBot wrote...

Minimum wage in Australia is ~$15. Works okay here I guess.

And then bills and taxes happened.

[Ravensword]

Br3ad wrote...

Kaiser Arian wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Giving wealth to the poor won't solve the problem. Investing less in pay raises and more in education of the children will be the only thing that will solve America's problems. I say that as someone who does not live the best of lifestyles. Giving out more money is actually a lot worse than doing nothing. If our production goes up a lot more, we could actually afford to pay more in a meaningful way. That has to start early in a child's life, not when they are forty, with six kids, in a trailor park, and without a job. 

The majority of people shouldn't be educated more than high school or college. This is only more budget to waste in Education.

What's the point of going to University when there is no job opportunity for engineers, doctors, lab scientists, human science eh managers etc. ... because the job market is in the state of suffusion or the economy is so bad , no one can establish/expand the office, clinic, etc.

Those are some of the most secure jobs in the world. As opposed to the phasing out laborer. That's why. There is no such thing as wasing money in education. That kind of thinking is why my country is 17 in that aspect. Because some people thought that education was a waste, and then these educated idiots began running it. 

Those jobs are in high demand and it is the future. The world needs more scientifically literate people, and not just for the sake of the STEM field.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

CrustyBot wrote...

Minimum wage in Australia is ~$15. Works okay here I guess.

And then bills and taxes happened.

Bills and taxes are everywhere. Just setting a comparison for the notion that $15 an hour as minimum wage is blasphemous.

In fact, I believe it's $16/hr. 

FWIW, I don't think for a second believe simply raising minimum wage in the US will fix all it's problems with regards to working poor, but I do believe it's part of the solution.

Modifié par CrustyBot, 11 janvier 2014 - 03:59 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

CrustyBot wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

CrustyBot wrote...

Minimum wage in Australia is ~$15. Works okay here I guess.

And then bills and taxes happened.

Bills and taxes are everywhere. Just setting a comparison for the notion that $15 an hour as minimum wage is blasphemous.

In fact, I believe it's $16/hr. 

FWIW, I don't think for a second believe simply raising minimum wage in the US will fix all it's problems with regards to working poor, but I do believe it's part of the solution.

Not believeing that is a good move. Businesses tend to have a certain behavioral pattern when their costs go up, say for having to spend more money on their emplyoees. And that is to downsize, fire and skim off what workers could be considered excess baggage and slash the maximum hours they're allowed to work, and close down stores that don't make enough to offset the extra costs, causing more unemployment in the process.

It's a very vicious cycle.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 11 janvier 2014 - 04:03 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

Degrees in interior design.

[bmwcrazy]

Ravensword wrote...

Any business owner that's against raising the minimum wage really just doesn't want to be forced to pay people a living wage, b/c that would cut into the profits. That's really what it comes down to.

Personally, I believe that a business cannot be truly profitable unless you operate it at a minimal cost. So hate me all you want. That's the way I run a business.

My company doesn't employ anyone with a minimum wage anyway. In the US, some people are just glad to have a full health and dental insurance coverage for themselves and their families.

Modifié par bmwcrazy, 11 janvier 2014 - 04:16 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

Only liberal arts degree that's good is liberal arts imo.

And Government of course. That's a good degree to have right?....right?

*Nervous Chuckles* r-right?

[Fast Jimmy]

Jarl Johnnie Walker wrote...

Not if you're smart, manage your money well, and don't spend 80% of it on frivolous crap. 
Pay your bills. 
Keep up with your car. 
Occasionally on weekends, go out and relax. 
Don't move into some place that's a little out of your price range just because it looks better or it's bigger. 
Don't buy/finance a vehicle that has terrible gas mileage or is just really unrealistically expensive for you. I'm all for getting a car that you like, but make sure that you won't struggle when you find one.

LOL Heathbro, not meaning to call you out, but this is funny to me. 

Three or four of those lines are about a car. And saving money on not spending too much on your car, or it's has mileage. Etc. 

What about child care? Or health care coverage? Or utilities/gas/water? These are often the three biggest drivers of expense, aside from mortgage, not whether or not they drive a sports car. 

Yes, people spend money on stupid things, for sure. But people who work minimum wage jobs often have kids or families that make a low wage job laughable, especially at the hours they are forced to work. Pay daycare rates  for a 12 hour shift, or for weekend care, or healthcare for someone over the age of 40 and suddenly you are not trying to budget for a muscle car versus a 4-cylinder, but rather just working enough to have some money left over for you after paying your baby sitters.  

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 11 janvier 2014 - 04:23 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

You gotta get that daiper money.

[wolfhowwl]

Hopefully they're claiming their EITC which should help a lot.

[Fast Jimmy]

Eh. Tell that to all those students getting Psych degrees that will be useless.

They're fine if you're just *beep*-ing around. But if you're expected to go out and be a productive member of society with that degree, they're problematic.

Psych major frownie face.
Not saying I disagree, in the least... but frownie face.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 11 janvier 2014 - 04:29 .

[Fast Jimmy]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Psych major frownie face.
Not saying I disagree, in the least... but frownie face.

Hey, no judgement. I enjoy psychology, and I'd love to be a musician+writer (read: risky, artsy "jobs" with no steady income). But I realize it's not very useful in the real world.

To my own credit, I had originally planned to be a neuro-biologist with a focus in genetics... then realized I hated being in a lab. And then I went back and got my masters in business. 

But yeah... a liberal arts degree is quite useless unless you have very specific career path in mind. 

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

There is no point in studying something that there is no job for it in the next 15 years. People here aren't just from Scandinavia or Australia. Arts and Human science are worthless to learn... unless you're in top 10% and I'm not in those exceptionally great group.
Heck even engineering ain't that good anymore. I know people that have low income from their engineering jobs or are working elsewhere, because they couldn't find a job related to their degrees.

I only consider governmental, agricultural, and (protected) Industrial jobs secure. Plus those engineering stuff that is related to those secure industrial jobs.

And don't forget there is countries out there like Greece that absolutely no job is secure in there.