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[Fast Jimmy]

Job security exists for IT.

Web, app, security and software development are solid. As well as network and infrastructure architects. If you want to do anything, get some certs in these fields.

In fact, I'd go on the record as saying the right certification is worth WAY more than any degree.

Find out the industry you want to work (or, at least, start out in) and find two or three certs in and you are more often than not much more likely to make things work.

[Dominus]

Working for minimum wage in America must be a dreadful experience

It's all relative. If you awoke to arrive around 1000 years ago, many of the things we take for granted would seem like grand treasures. Minimum wage is definitely not a comfortable position, but I'd definitely say "It could be worse". It also depends on the job. My job's a literal snooze once you've done it enough, and comes with enough benefits to keep me from complaining.

Modifié par DominusVita, 11 janvier 2014 - 04:47 .

[Br3admax]

Kaiser Arian wrote...

There is no point in studying something that there is no job for it in the next 15 years. People here aren't just from Scandinavia or Australia. Arts and Human science are worthless to learn... unless you're in top 10% and I'm not in those exceptionally great group.
Heck even engineering ain't that good anymore. I know people that have low income from their engineering jobs or are working elsewhere, because they couldn't find a job related to their degrees.

I only consider governmental, agricultural, and (protected) Industrial jobs secure. Plus those engineering stuff that is related to those secure industrial jobs.

And don't forget there is countries out there like Greece that absolutely no job is secure in there.

Oh child, why....engineer is such a borad term. Janitors are engineers. Sanitation engineers. Being an engineer and studying to be an engineer aren't the same, and even then, it is still a very secure job field. The demand for engineers is only going up, it's one of the fastest growing fields in America, honestly. 

[IllusiveManJr]

My college coordinator tried to get me to do liberal arts since it was "popular." lolno
I'm not artistic at all. Languages and science are my strong points. Plus I wouldn't have a clue what to do with that kind of knowledge.

[Dave of Canada]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Lol. Most liberal arts degrees, really.

They're fine if you're just *beep*-ing around. But if you're expected to go out and be a productive member of society with that degree, they're problematic.

Went into school for a writing degree, I had hoped to eventually become a full-time writer. Unfortunately, the harsh realities of the job market made me question my decision.

Now I'm heading into technical writing, it isn't what I've wanted but most of the skills intersect and there's a lot more jobs in that.

I hate the real world sometimes.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 11 janvier 2014 - 04:59 .

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

I agree with Jimmy. Job security exists for virtual jobs. Plus those connected with the governments.

Traditional/Conservative arts is a better choice and at least it isn't completely disconnected from reality.

Do Liberal Arts means stuff like 'melody-less harmony-less noise music' or something like this?:
Behold my innovative painting... in plain navy blue and no details. It's so artistic... Price: 100,000 $

Modifié par Kaiser Arian, 11 janvier 2014 - 05:01 .

[Volus Warlord]

Br3ad wrote...

Kaiser Arian wrote...

There is no point in studying something that there is no job for it in the next 15 years. People here aren't just from Scandinavia or Australia. Arts and Human science are worthless to learn... unless you're in top 10% and I'm not in those exceptionally great group.
Heck even engineering ain't that good anymore. I know people that have low income from their engineering jobs or are working elsewhere, because they couldn't find a job related to their degrees.

I only consider governmental, agricultural, and (protected) Industrial jobs secure. Plus those engineering stuff that is related to those secure industrial jobs.

And don't forget there is countries out there like Greece that absolutely no job is secure in there.

Oh child, why....engineer is such a borad term. Janitors are engineers. Sanitation engineers. Being an engineer and studying to be an engineer aren't the same, and even then, it is still a very secure job field. The demand for engineers is only going up, it's one of the fastest growing fields in America, honestly. 

Depends on the field. Biomed is absolutely exploding. Everything else is either growing slowly or stagnant.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

DominusVita wrote...

Working for minimum wage in America must be a dreadful experience

It's all relative. If you awoke to arrive around 1000 years ago, many of the things we take for granted would seem like grand treasures. Minimum wage is definitely not a comfortable position, but I'd definitely say "It could be worse". It also depends on the job. My job's a literal snooze once you've done it enough, and comes with enough benefits to keep me from complaining.

1000 years ago we were the masters of the world. Bow before the Seljuk Empire! Well, we weren't the Turks rulers or soldiers but we were managing the empire.

[Addai]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Job security exists for IT.

Web, app, security and software development are solid. As well as network and infrastructure architects. If you want to do anything, get some certs in these fields.
 

We live in Silicon Valley and there are a lot of software developers out of work these days.  A relative of ours helped develop a well-known software suite and he was out of work over a year after a lay-off. Supposedly this area has some of the highest job growth rate in the country but it's difficult to see it.

As for minimum wage, we're talking about a tiny percentage of people and they rarely stay on minimum wage if they start there.  Some of those who are considered minimum wage are there because they get tips. Some are teenagers working part time jobs, not subsistence workers. This is just to give some perspective, not to say that lower income people don't struggle. Though what is considered subsistence these days usually includes cable TV and an iPhone.

[Cainhurst Crow]

I don't believe in job security, to me it might as well be another superstition, like a lucky seat for football games, or holistic medicine.

Everyone thinks they have job security until they get a notice from their job that they need to be let go.

[Jarl Johnnie Walker]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Jarl Johnnie Walker wrote...

Not if you're smart, manage your money well, and don't spend 80% of it on frivolous crap. 
Pay your bills. 
Keep up with your car. 
Occasionally on weekends, go out and relax. 
Don't move into some place that's a little out of your price range just because it looks better or it's bigger. 
Don't buy/finance a vehicle that has terrible gas mileage or is just really unrealistically expensive for you. I'm all for getting a car that you like, but make sure that you won't struggle when you find one.

LOL Heathbro, not meaning to call you out, but this is funny to me. 

Three or four of those lines are about a car. And saving money on not spending too much on your car, or it's has mileage. Etc. 

What about child care? Or health care coverage? Or utilities/gas/water? These are often the three biggest drivers of expense, aside from mortgage, not whether or not they drive a sports car. 

Yes, people spend money on stupid things, for sure. But people who work minimum wage jobs often have kids or families that make a low wage job laughable, especially at the hours they are forced to work. Pay daycare rates  for a 12 hour shift, or for weekend care, or healthcare for someone over the age of 40 and suddenly you are not trying to budget for a muscle car versus a 4-cylinder, but rather just working enough to have some money left over for you after paying your baby sitters.  

Well I was more or less meaning those who pretty much live alone or at least have a roommate. Like starting off on your own. Or just generally speaking. Minimum wage is *usually* ideal for people from the ages of 16 to mid or late 20s. Hopefully going to college while working to live.
But then I think about, how often does that really happen? You never know what your life might turn into. America's economy is abhorrent and getting a job is a pain the ass.

I remember after I left the military, it took me almost 2 years to get a job. You'd think with the military experience of discipline that it wouldn't be too hard. But it was. These days, you have to pretty much know people on the inside to get a job. That's actually how I got this graveyard shift job now. Wasn't for that one person then I'm about 80% certain that I wouldn't be working.

It all depends on your expenses, as EntropicAngel said earlier. But even if so, managing your money and not buying things you don't absolutely need like nicknacks or car interior covers or an over sized TV, can help you save more money and use that money for more important things.
Know how much you make and know how much your bills usually cost you. And always over estimate.
You'd be surprised how much money you can save by not always buying things like soda and overpriced shampoo. The dollars add up. No matter if you're making $7.25 and hour or $25 an hour.

But all the more reason for me to gtfo of this country tbh. I'd rather get out now before it gets even worse. Not saying I'm not optimistic but in this world you gotta be pessimistic about this kinda crap tbh.

And women, stay in the kitchen ffs.
We don't need you out there wrecking the only car we got now.

[TheBlackBaron]

The thing that escapes most people when arguing about this issue - which has recently become a hot button topic in America mostly as an attempt to distract from the ongoing flaming wreckage that is Obamacare - is that minimum wage is not supposed to be something you can live off of. The large majority of people earning minimum wage are teenagers and youth, who simply don't have the skills or experience necessary to be worth anything higher (or more accurately, more difficult to replace and thus worth a higher wage).

It sucks because with the economy the way it currently is even those jobs are drying up and thus the bottom rung of the later is being removed, but increasing the minimum wage would only exacerbate the problem. I can tell you right now that if the federally mandated minimum wage was increased, I would not have my summer/winter job (where I actually make slightly above minimum - $7.75/hour).

The unemployment rate for black youth, for example, is already something like 30%, increasing the minimum wage would only cause that to crater.As for fast food workers? McDonald's is already testing using computers as a replacement for cashiers. Wanna take a guess as to what's going to happen if minimum wage becomes $15/hour?

[eternal_napalm]

I think we need to share our earned XP with less fortunate gamers. It ain't right some players have better stats and more XP. It just ain't right.

[spinachdiaper]

I'm just waiting for the NWO to force world wide economic slavery on all of us already since the minimum wage is getting to high for the robber barons who really run this world

[Fast Jimmy]

eternal_napalm wrote...

I think we need to share our earned XP with less fortunate gamers. It ain't right some players have better stats and more XP. It just ain't right.

If we're going to use a video game analogy, it might be more accurate to call getting a non-liberal arts degree and insanely overpowered build and all other builds are stupid underpowered. The only reason someone would not use those builds is if they were wanting to just experiment around or they couldn't, such as a premium class that costs extra money in a Free-to-Play game. 

In fact - there you go. Life is a F2P MMO and people who have the best jobs are those who are abusing its pay-to-win mechanics. 

[Lunch Box1912]

The minimum wage kills jobs. Remeber when you could pull up to any gas station and have your gas pumped for you?  Do you wonder why manufacturing jobs are longer here? Raising the minimum wage isn't going to solve anything. It's free trade and government regulation that is killing the US economy.  We don't make anything here because we can't compete with the rest of the world. The quality of living in the US is going to keep getting worse until we are at the same level of living as the third world contries that are producing all the goods we buy.

[Br3admax]

Also not true. If minimum wage were too low, no one would work those jobs, forcing companies to raise the wage to an acceptable amount. Economics doesn't work in a vacuum.

[Br3admax]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Oh child, why....engineer is such a borad term. Janitors are engineers. Sanitation engineers. Being an engineer and studying to be an engineer aren't the same, and even then, it is still a very secure job field. The demand for engineers is only going up, it's one of the fastest growing fields in America, honestly. 

Just to point out, he isn't talking about America. He lives in the Middle East.

I know what he's talking about, and even in the Middle East, people will still have more secure jobs in those fields that he said were dying out. It simply isn't true. 

[Fast Jimmy]

Lunch Box1912 wrote...
Raising the minimum wage isn't going to solve anything. It's free trade and government regulation that is killing the US economy. 

LOL

"The things killing the US economy are BOTH the ability to do business anywhere AND all this government regulation!"

You can't decrease one of those things without increasing the other, by their very definition. 

[Fast Jimmy]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

The thing that escapes most people when arguing about this issue - which has recently become a hot button topic in America mostly as an attempt to distract from the ongoing flaming wreckage that is Obamacare - is that minimum wage is not supposed to be something you can live off of. The large majority of people earning minimum wage are teenagers and youth, who simply don't have the skills or experience necessary to be worth anything higher (or more accurately, more difficult to replace and thus worth a higher wage).

It sucks because with the economy the way it currently is even those jobs are drying up and thus the bottom rung of the later is being removed, but increasing the minimum wage would only exacerbate the problem. I can tell you right now that if the federally mandated minimum wage was increased, I would not have my summer/winter job (where I actually make slightly above minimum - $7.75/hour).

The unemployment rate for black youth, for example, is already something like 30%, increasing the minimum wage would only cause that to crater.As for fast food workers? McDonald's is already testing using computers as a replacement for cashiers. Wanna take a guess as to what's going to happen if minimum wage becomes $15/hour?

What? This entire line of logic doesn't make a lick of sense. 

Minimum wage age is supposed to be the bare minimum to work and survive. It isn't the wage designed for teenagers who work at Target for pocket money... it is the bottom line of making sure everyone in the country who has a job can continue to survive and keep working. Qualifying for welfare pays you less than minimum wage, yet people complain that people are leeching off the system with that. Would you say that the individuals, let alone families, are not able to survive on welfare, or that welfare is "only for teenagers?"

Minimum wage should keep pace with inflation. No more, no less. If expenses go up over time (as naturally happens with inflation in a normal, healthy economy), yet wages do not, it results in more inequities between the richest and the poorest, which results in a highly striated and deficient market. A business will raise their prices regularly, even when their expenses aren't intended to increase, simply as a way to enhance revenue as well as to hedge against unexpected cost increases in the near and long term future. If the workers said company employees are unskilled and do not require any form education, then those unskilled workers will fall further and further behind the income gap, which is a direct predictor often in their children falling into the same habits, lifestyles and lack of success. Coupled with this poverty also accompanies higher crime, substance abuse, teenage pregnancy as well as general lack of satisfaction and happiness. 

Also - Obamacare was not a "flaming wreckage," for the record. One website - which is part of the exchange system for only those states who were too lazy or stubborn to set up their own system, which the law required these states to do - is not even a large part of the bill, nor is its failure to avoid crashing anywhere near an indictment of the overall piece of legislation. Anyone who points to a bogged down web service as the death toll of the bill have zero idea of its far-reaching influence and integration into the industry that has been present for years now, not just what went live in October.