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[Lunch Box1912]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Lunch Box1912 wrote...

The minimum wage kills jobs. Remeber when you could pull up to any gas station and have your gas pumped for you?  Do you wonder why manufacturing jobs are longer here? Raising the minimum wage isn't going to solve anything. It's free trade and government regulation that is killing the US economy.  We don't make anything here because we can't compete with the rest of the world. The quality of living in the US is going to keep getting worse until we are at the same level of living as the third world contries that are producing all the goods we buy.

Though, if companies didn't have to pay minimum wage there is no way people would be paid enough to cover the cost of living right now. Minimum wage barely does that right now. Instead of having one person that needs food stamps, you'd have three people that need food stamps.

You need to ask yourself first why the cost of living keeps going up. That’s a whole other discussion which I won’t get into. Just look up tariffs, NAFTA, GATT to WTO and how the US gave control of its currency away in 1913. Andrew Jackson is rolling in his grave for sure…

If payroll expenses increase the product is going to have to cost more, it's an adverse effect. Price increases aren’t always viable when you’re competing with a competitor overseas whose overhead is often less than half of your own. When it’s no longer sustainable companies either close up and sell their assets or they do what their competitor does and move their operation overseas. Jobs that once existed at $6.85 an hour are now no jobs at all. The economy that exists around where the jobs were lost suffers, like a domino effect from property values all the way down to the driver of the roach coach that used to show up three times a day.

In the grand scheme you are better off as a whole for those jobs to still exist. So let them issue more food stamps, I pay a ridiculously high state income tax every April 15th. At least I know the state is doing something with my money un-like handing it directly to the Federal Reserve as the Federal Government does with my federal income tax.

[wolfstanus]

Because making burgers is a $15 an hour kind of job. Even if they can't get it right. Yes those are carrots on 3 mc chickens and one has very little of anythingtgats supposed to be on it.

http://www.memecente...915/expectation on bamacare... Is that why it had to be rewritten several times since it being passed to allowseetain things? So great it forces every person to buy medical care even if the can't afford it? So good that people (a few million) lost health coverage (me being one of them) even after being told by the president himself that their current plans wouldn't be effected by the new law. But when that the ed out to be a lie he had to make yet another "executive law" to support it and even when it didn't gurantee anything. So great that still millions have no idea if obamacare will cover them or if they are even eligable. So awesome it required so much support without reading it because you know who reads laws like this anyways? I can continue but what's the point?

Modifié par wolfstanus, 12 janvier 2014 - 03:07 .

[DarkDragon777]

Welcome to ****ville.

[lady_v23]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

I've never understood why more people didn't turn to the military. Sure it's a commitment, but you do learn some very valuable skills there, especially if you go into the right field. Get into intelligence, get a security clearance, and you can make doors open for yourself very fast. Plus, you get money for college.

I think the requirements disqualify about 70% of the population.

[wolfstanus]

lady_v23 wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

I've never understood why more people didn't turn to the military. Sure it's a commitment, but you do learn some very valuable skills there, especially if you go into the right field. Get into intelligence, get a security clearance, and you can make doors open for yourself very fast. Plus, you get money for college.

I think the requirements disqualify about 70% of the population.

I tried. I cant Join because of a tumor. Even iif removed I still can't join.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

I was exempted from mandatory conscription because of my unhealthy spine (it doesn't look that bad but it is indeed week). I guess I would be disqualified in USA's army and other armies of the world too.

[modjospinnin]

Yeah I agree the minimum wage here in the US is too low. However the big corporations have the big bucks to maintain the status quo *cough cough campaign donations*

But fr corporate ceo's enjoy the millions of dollars their min wage employees toil for. Why aren't fast food workers allowed to unionize?

Ish is effed up in this country.

Kind of like Jim Crow laws..you are legally discriminated against /kept poor.

Modifié par modjospinnin, 13 janvier 2014 - 06:09 .

[TEWR]

wolfstanus wrote...

lady_v23 wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

I've never understood why more people didn't turn to the military. Sure it's a commitment, but you do learn some very valuable skills there, especially if you go into the right field. Get into intelligence, get a security clearance, and you can make doors open for yourself very fast. Plus, you get money for college.

I think the requirements disqualify about 70% of the population.

I tried. I cant Join because of a tumor. Even iif removed I still can't join.

I tried to join the Coast Guard but wasn't accepted due to anxiety issues I had in grade school.

[metatheurgist]

modjospinnin wrote...
Why aren't fast food workers allowed to unionize?

Because unions are commies, and commies are bad. Anything that gives power to anything except corporations is bad.

[wolfstanus]

metatheurgist wrote...

modjospinnin wrote...
Why aren't fast food workers allowed to unionize?

Because unions are commies, and commies are bad. Anything that gives power to anything except corporations is bad.

I guess you are just going to ignore the fact that unions had/are being run by the mob and have had a sketchy history at best with the laws in the past. I mean look at the great job they do for people. you pay them in return they tell you to miss upto a few months of work "for the greater good" and all that jazz. Among other things.

[metatheurgist]

wolfstanus wrote...
I guess you are just going to ignore the fact that unions had/are being run by the mob and have had a sketchy history at best with the laws in the past. I mean look at the great job they do for people. you pay them in return they tell you to miss upto a few months of work "for the greater good" and all that jazz. Among other things.

That sounds exactly like corporations. Equal representation please. Poor people also deserve to have dodgy organisations.

[wolfstanus]

metatheurgist wrote...

wolfstanus wrote...
I guess you are just going to ignore the fact that unions had/are being run by the mob and have had a sketchy history at best with the laws in the past. I mean look at the great job they do for people. you pay them in return they tell you to miss upto a few months of work "for the greater good" and all that jazz. Among other things.

That sounds exactly like corporations. Equal representation please. Poor people also deserve to have dodgy organisations.

Except corperstion don't actualy murder people for going to work when there's a strike etc

[spirosz]

Ever heard of different rates in different areas? Five bucks here is like twenty bucks elsewhere. Though, over here - it's 10.75 I believe, I can't remember, my last job I was making 14.25 an hour, t'was alright - ****ty job though, so.

[Naughty Bear]

As a student, I don't have much of a choice...

[spirosz]

Naughty Bear wrote...

As a student, I don't have much of a choice...

Yep.  Depending on your situation - it might be the only option, sadly.  

[Milan92]

spirosz wrote...

Ever heard of different rates in different areas? Five bucks here is like twenty bucks elsewhere. Though, over here - it's 10.75 I believe, I can't remember, my last job I was making 14.25 an hour, t'was alright - ****ty job though, so.

Dude 14.25 an hour is quite alot lol

[spirosz]

Milan92 wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Ever heard of different rates in different areas? Five bucks here is like twenty bucks elsewhere. Though, over here - it's 10.75 I believe, I can't remember, my last job I was making 14.25 an hour, t'was alright - ****ty job though, so.

Dude 14.25 an hour is quite alot lol

Trust me, not really.  I could barely pay for a ****ty-small ass room downtown (where it's cheap mind you) and buy groceries and all that just on that pay.  Plus, if I enjoyed the job - I would of stayed, but for the amount of work putting in, the pay wasn't worth it.  

[Milan92]

spirosz wrote...

Milan92 wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Ever heard of different rates in different areas? Five bucks here is like twenty bucks elsewhere. Though, over here - it's 10.75 I believe, I can't remember, my last job I was making 14.25 an hour, t'was alright - ****ty job though, so.

Dude 14.25 an hour is quite alot lol

Trust me, not really.  I could barely pay for a ****ty-small ass room downtown (where it's cheap mind you) and buy groceries and all that just on that pay.  Plus, if I enjoyed the job - I would of stayed, but for the amount of work putting in, the pay wasn't worth it.  

Ah I see. Then I can understand.

[spirosz]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

I'm surprised such a clearly political thread has managed to remain open for so long.

Needs more "your country sucks da big ball sack" oh deyhellOooOoOOooOo

[Milan92]

spirosz wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

I'm surprised such a clearly political thread has managed to remain open for so long.

Needs more "your country sucks da big ball sack" oh deyhellOooOoOOooOo

Oh no you didn't.

[spirosz]

Deeeeeeey hellOoOOooOOoOOOo

deed u heere? Yo countree suck da big bawwwwwsack

[Mr.House]

Milan92 wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Ever heard of different rates in different areas? Five bucks here is like twenty bucks elsewhere. Though, over here - it's 10.75 I believe, I can't remember, my last job I was making 14.25 an hour, t'was alright - ****ty job though, so.

Dude 14.25 an hour is quite alot lol

Not really.

[AtreiyaN7]

You should go watch that episode Inside Man (Morgan Spurlock on CNN) about life as a fruit picker and immigrant workers. There are worse jobs in the U.S. than your average minimum-wage job at McDonald's, you know. Try surviving a day of picking oranges (chances are you won't be able to make it through the day).

Anyway, what's the point of this thread? Working crappy jobs for low pay sucks no matter what country you're in, and there are many people who are a lot worse off in many places in the world - like, say, someone stuck living in a Mumbai slum who doesn't even make minimum wage and has to scrape by to make a living.

*points at Behind the Beautiful Forevers by Katherine Boo* Maybe you should go read a non-fiction book like that one. However unrewarding, unfulfilling, and "dreadful" a minimum wage job in America might be, it's just not the worst thing in the world by any means.