Guest_EntropicAngel_*
Chashan wrote...
There's the connotation with carnal pleasure that hedonism implies, at least in my good Deutsch. So that may be one problem there.
From the sounds of it, it would further seem that you rather disapprove of simple escapism. Am I wrong?
Guest_EntropicAngel_*
Alocormin wrote...
The star gazer was a nice easter egg. It wasn't an insult, it was a tribute to the spirit of Shepards journey, tying it in to real life and our own curiousity and imagination. How is that inappropriate? It's just a goodbye.
Alocormin wrote...
The star gazer was a nice easter egg. It wasn't an insult, it was a tribute to the spirit of Shepards journey, tying it in to real life and our own curiousity and imagination. How is that inappropriate? It's just a goodbye.
angol fear wrote...
Though there is this aspect, the star gazer is actually more than that. Anyone who didn't understand how important is this scene can't say he has understood the ending.
EntropicAngel wrote...
Alocormin wrote...
The star gazer was a nice easter egg. It wasn't an insult, it was a tribute to the spirit of Shepards journey, tying it in to real life and our own curiousity and imagination. How is that inappropriate? It's just a goodbye.
It being Buzz Lightyear was clever.
Modifié par dreamgazer, 15 janvier 2014 - 05:00 .
EntropicAngel wrote...
Chashan wrote...
There's the connotation with carnal pleasure that hedonism implies, at least in my good Deutsch. So that may be one problem there.
From the sounds of it, it would further seem that you rather disapprove of simple escapism. Am I wrong?
That's an excellent way of putting it.
Guest_c091n87_*
You know what? Maybe we do need a crusade. And why do you feel sorry for them, they're rolling in more do than most of us will ever see... You honestly think they give two flying !@#$s about what a bunch fans post in forums. Clearly not.
Yes. I was also one who said I would pay for a dlc. I like the idea that if you liked the 3 endings as they were, you didn't have to purchase it, and if you did want it you could pay for it.
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Guest_EntropicAngel_*
dreamgazer wrote...
(laughs) Cute slip there.
dreamgazer wrote...
This is about what I would have posted, with a link to Folk Hedonism.
iakus wrote...
AlanC9 wrote...
I agree. This was a regrettable fault in ME2's design, and violated the precedent set at Virmire. You can work around it by doing the Reaper IFF mission the moment it becomes available, which is my preferred playstyle. (IIRC a dev once implied that doing this was the original design intent, but I don't have a link to where that was said.)
Why is it a regrettable fault in ME2's design, and not a regrettable fault in ME3's design?
Put in the effort, get good results.
One could argue it was too easy in ME2 to get optimal results. But I contest the assertion that the system itself was a flaw.
JamesFaith wrote...
iakus wrote...
AlanC9 wrote...
I agree. This was a regrettable fault in ME2's design, and violated the precedent set at Virmire. You can work around it by doing the Reaper IFF mission the moment it becomes available, which is my preferred playstyle. (IIRC a dev once implied that doing this was the original design intent, but I don't have a link to where that was said.)
Why is it a regrettable fault in ME2's design, and not a regrettable fault in ME3's design?
Put in the effort, get good results.
One could argue it was too easy in ME2 to get optimal results. But I contest the assertion that the system itself was a flaw.
Because ME3 returned to original hard choices without easy way out (Virmire, Destiny Ascencion) which were milked in ME2 (only one similar choice in tiny side mission was presented here)?
AlanC9 wrote...
iakus wrote...
AlanC9 wrote...
I agree. This was a regrettable fault in ME2's design, and violated the precedent set at Virmire. You can work around it by doing the Reaper IFF mission the moment it becomes available, which is my preferred playstyle. (IIRC a dev once implied that doing this was the original design intent, but I don't have a link to where that was said.)
Why is it a regrettable fault in ME2's design, and not a regrettable fault in ME3's design?
Just going with mopotter's premise -- if that's not how Bio wanted to do ME3, they shouldn't have done ME2 that way.
Though yes, my personal tastes agree with Bio's rather than yours.
I totally don't agree. I loved ME2 almost as much as I loved ME1. So many different endings I am still not tired of it.
EntropicAngel wrote...
Virmire was railroaded from the very beginning of the mission to arbitrarily limit you to Kaidan and Ashley. I would have picked different people.
EntropicAngel wrote...
AlanC9 wrote...
iakus wrote...
And the handling of the choice was still done better. You get a last talk with the person you leave behind. You can apologize, or try to reassure them that you'll try to save him.her too. It didn't shrink from showing the one you left behind was missed. And afterwards there's a chance to reflect on the loss.
Heck I love how Shepard can later say "Kaidan's death is on me!"
I coukd have done with a bit less foreshadowing myself, and the actual implementation of the choice is awfully clunky.
Same. that first choice where they argue about who should go (and the one picked waxes nostalgic right there in front of you) was far too obvious. and it makes no sense why ashley, a soldier, cannot retreat with kirrahe while fighting. or kaidan the biotic.
AlanC9 wrote...
CronoDragoon wrote...
iakus wrote...
My position is the more important a decision is, where a sacrifice is going to be forced, the more options need to be available to make such a choice palatable.
More options were available, just that none of them were palatable. I don't think your dissatisfaction stems from lack of options but rather the nature of the options given.
It's not like MEHEM adds options.
mopotter wrote...
I agree. It wasn't a mistake, they gave you an achievement for it having everyone survive, though I did not find it easy. But then I also didn't try very hard because I didn't want every game to be the same. I wanted to see what different results brought to ME3.
Totally different from Virmire where you had two choices. Pick one or the other, that's the only choice and I did pick one or the other depending on my Shepard.
mopotter wrote...
AlanC9 wrote...
It's not like MEHEM adds options.CronoDragoon wrote...
More options were available, just that none of them were palatable. I don't think your dissatisfaction stems from lack of options but rather the nature of the options given.
No but it gives me two options I can replay for the next 10 years or so. Reapers are destroyed and Shepard, Edi and the Geth actualy survie or not depending on the ems score.
Guest_EntropicAngel_*
mopotter wrote...
You always had Liara. She was never my type but apparently she has a large following.
Picking Kaidan or Ash was hard, and is still hard after all these years. I never understood people who always leave the same character. I have a few Shepards who left their LI behind becuase it was the right thing to do.
Originally I thought the one left behind would show up in a future game as another Saren type. - Shepard left you to die, I saved you type thing or as a rescue mission which could have been interesting.
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Guest_c091n87_*
mopotter wrote...
No but it gives me two options I can replay for the next 10 years or so. Reapers are destroyed and Shepard, Edi and the Geth actualy survie or not depending on the ems score.
If BioWare had done this, having the ems score and past game choices allow you to save Edi, the geth and just showing Shepard being carried to the ship, or making an announcement over the ships intercom that Shepard was found and alive, I would not have stopped playing it.
It does have other problems besides the ending, but the ending are the main reason I stopped playing. But now I am playing it again, because this wonderful person made the Mod BioWare could have but didn't.
Modifié par c091n87, 15 janvier 2014 - 10:37 .
<sigh> I need to learn text talk or abriveations. I goggled SM and couldn't find anything so assuming sucide mission.AlanC9 wrote...
mopotter wrote...
I agree. It wasn't a mistake, they gave you an achievement for it having everyone survive, though I did not find it easy. But then I also didn't try very hard because I didn't want every game to be the same. I wanted to see what different results brought to ME3.
Totally different from Virmire where you had two choices. Pick one or the other, that's the only choice and I did pick one or the other depending on my Shepard.
Just to be clear, I was being facetious when I "agreed" with you upthread. I was pretty sure you didn't actually mean that Bio shouldn't have done the SM the way they did.
Almostfaceman wrote...
AlanC9 wrote...
What advertised claims did Bio fail at, again? I don't remember any claim that the final choice would depend on what you did in the previous games, or that the ending would be shaoed by previous choices; they declared that the whole game would be so shaped, but that was simply true.
Eh, there was a thread about the claims (compiled) a long time ago, not even sure it still exists. I looked briefly at older threads but I'm not going to hunt through 2000+ of them to find it. I wouldn't make this stuff up, never was an enemy of Mass Effect or Bioware. Pre-ordered the game, enjoyed ME1 and ME2. I experienced genuine, honest disappointment and I blame Bioware, not myself. They set different expectations than what they delivered.
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