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[FlamingBoy]

spirosz wrote...

Bioware promised things? Like they said that word?

Are you saying that a promise can only be made if it has the word promise in it?
For example

"I promise the banannas will find a new home"

[FlamingBoy]

c091n87 wrote...

Despite the heated tempers, there were actually a lot of great threads about story-telling, art, and "ownership" of fictional universes.

Legally, Bioware owns Mass Effect 3, as per EULA. I don't want to get into a legal discussion. Much like Fox owns X-Files. I like that show a lot, but doesn't mean I own it. I like Mass Effect 3 a lot, poured hundreds of hours into the game, but that doesn't make me part owner of the story.

And you do realize that there are people who understand perfectly well what the endings' intentions were. And don't like it because of that. Not because they're too dim to figure it out, as you continue to insinuate.

Not liking the ending is fine. Demanding change is not. After you paid $60 for a game, and played it. You had no idea how the ending was going to play out before you bought it, but Bioware already has your money. Not everyone had an issue with the execution of the ending or its intentions. If you want me to word it differently.

I spent $12 to go see a movie, but I didn't like how it ended. Does that give me the right to demand that the author of that movie rewrite certain parts? Nope, I already paid to see the movie. Oh, some might say its a 100 hour movie that I watched a couple times. That somehow makes my claim more important.

Its your legal right to demand change, Its silly to think otherwise. The final decision remains with bioware but you can still demand better.

[spirosz]

FlamingBoy wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Bioware promised things? Like they said that word?

Are you saying that a promise can only be made if it has the word promise in it?
For example

"I promise the banannas will find a new home"

In Bioware's case, of course because they don't owe you anything. 

[dreamgazer]

Oh, lord. In come the "legal" demands to change a piece of fiction.

[spirosz]

FlamingBoy wrote...

c091n87 wrote...

I was promised a pony for Christmas and I didn't get one. Let's nag mom and dad about that pony, until they give it to me. This is what people are sounding like.

This is not about a relationship between a parent and its child.

Bioware does not exist to teach us good manners to make the comparision is disgusting. Bioware is a corporation and we are its customers and we as customers have a RIGHT to demand better even if it does not mesh with your sensibilities.

You have the right to demand better, of course, but don't act as if it matters as much as you seem to believe - you can preach all you like, but it's still their product at the end of the day.  

[spirosz]

I have the right to demand your demand as being subjective as to what is better.

[FlamingBoy]

spirosz wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Bioware promised things? Like they said that word?

Are you saying that a promise can only be made if it has the word promise in it?
For example

"I promise the banannas will find a new home"

In Bioware's case, of course because they don't owe you anything. 

So any promise or legal agreement must have the word promise in it. That is ludicrious.

[FlamingBoy]

c091n87 wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

This is not about a relationship between a parent and its child.

Bioware does not exist to teach us good manners to make the comparision is disgusting. Bioware is a corporation and we are its customers and we as customers have a RIGHT to demand better even if it does not mesh with your sensibilities.

Like I said a couple pages back, if you're still not satisfied, move on. Go to some other business. Actually it wasn't me. It was Bioware's own staff who said that.

If bioware said that, well you keep good company

[spirosz]

Did they promise you anything? Answer me that directly.

[FlamingBoy]

spirosz wrote...

I have the right to demand your demand as being subjective as to what is better.

their was no word "promise" in your demand:D

[spirosz]

I can say we're going to have 3 endings 10 months prior to release of a game and never get asked that question again, but then something happened in development happened and we were only able to bring out two. If you decide you're going to purchase the game based off knowledge from an old source (without knowing that shit changes in the development cycle), then that is your own fault, not the companies. They can stay silent if they wanted to.

[AlanC9]

FlamingBoy wrote...

Its your legal right to demand change, Its silly to think otherwise. The final decision remains with bioware but you can still demand better.

Sure. I keep demanding that Babylon 5 come back to Netflix. Unfortunately, nothng happens.

[FlamingBoy]

spirosz wrote...

Did they promise you anything? Answer me that directly.

I am asking you if the word promise must be inplace to create a promise?

If the answer is yes "promise" is included then, no bioware did not promise anything. And yes its as stupid as is sounds.

[spirosz]

AlanC9 wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

Its your legal right to demand change, Its silly to think otherwise. The final decision remains with bioware but you can still demand better.

Sure. I keep demanding that Babylon 5 come back to Netflix. Unfortunately, nothng happens.

Shocking! 

[Iakus]

c091n87 wrote...


Not liking the ending is fine. Demanding change is not. After you paid $60 for a game, and played it. You had no idea how the ending was going to play out before you bought it, but Bioware already has your money. Not everyone had an issue with the execution of the ending or its intentions. If you want me to word it differently.

Yes.  And the bold part is why I'm going to be far more cautious with Bioware products in the future.  Getting our money is clearly priority #1.  Everything else is secondary.

I spent $12 to go see a movie, but I didn't like how it ended. Does that give me the right to demand that the author of that movie rewrite certain parts? Nope, I already paid to see the movie. There's been lots of great movies thatv fell apart completely in the final act. 

Oh, some might say its a 100 hour movie that I watched a couple times. That somehow makes my claim more important.

No, being told you have agency over the main character and your chocies shape the story and its outcome do.

I have never heard a scriptwriter or a director make that claim.

[FlamingBoy]

AlanC9 wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

Its your legal right to demand change, Its silly to think otherwise. The final decision remains with bioware but you can still demand better.

Sure. I keep demanding that Babylon 5 come back to Netflix. Unfortunately, nothng happens.

Good for you.

[spirosz]

FlamingBoy wrote...
no bioware did not promise anything. 

There we go.  So stop acting like they owe you anything.  They can hype up their game as much as they want, but at the end of the day - they aren't forcing you to spend your own cash on it.  

[Iakus]

c091n87 wrote...


Like I said a couple pages back, if you're still not satisfied, move on. Go to some other business. Actually it wasn't me. It was Bioware's own staff who said that.

"I'm happy so STFU"

[spirosz]

iakus wrote...

c091n87 wrote...


Like I said a couple pages back, if you're still not satisfied, move on. Go to some other business. Actually it wasn't me. It was Bioware's own staff who said that.

"I'm happy so STFU"

"I spent my own money on hype, tears."

Modifié par spirosz, 16 janvier 2014 - 04:58 .

[FlamingBoy]

spirosz wrote...

I can say we're going to have 3 endings 10 months prior to release of a game and never get asked that question again, but then something happened in development happened and we were only able to bring out two. If you decide you're going to purchase the game based off knowledge from an old source (without knowing that shit changes in the development cycle), then that is your own fault, not the companies. They can stay silent if they wanted to.

The old source i provided (well actually some one else) was a month (less than) before release date
But hey things change!

please get informed about the topic.