FlamingBoy wrote...
The old source i provided (well actually some one else) was a month (less than) before release date
But hey things change!
please get informed about the topic.
The complete quote isspirosz wrote...
FlamingBoy wrote...
no bioware did not promise anything.
There we go. So stop acting like they owe you anything. They can hype up their game as much as they want, but at the end of the day - they aren't forcing you to spend your own cash on it.
spirosz wrote...
FlamingBoy wrote...
The old source i provided (well actually some one else) was a month (less than) before release date
But hey things change!
please get informed about the topic.
I'm well aware of the topic. I'm also well aware of development mishaps, priorities, budget, not owning anyone anything.
FlamingBoy wrote...
who made the crucible, how does it work,AlanC9 wrote...
But most of the ME questions were answered. Synthesis is a little vague, but outside of that?
Specified to the player? Even an engineer Shepard isn't a scientist.how are we able to build the crucible with out any idea what is function beyond "weapon" and plans that are never specified to the player
who or what are the keepers, why give an option (destroy) that will set the cycle over again,
... is that they aren't.why are the leviathans considered unimportant to the main story unless through a damn paywall
It was a non-issue, I never said anything like you written in quotations. You made it an issue because you like believed I said it, why? probably some form of ad-hominen.spirosz wrote...
So glad we got that 'they don't owe you anything' out of the way.
AlanC9 wrote...
FlamingBoy wrote...
who made the crucible, how does it work,AlanC9 wrote...
But most of the ME questions were answered. Synthesis is a little vague, but outside of that?
Are these important questions? One answer would be a made-up name, the other answer would be technobabble.Specified to the player? Even an engineer Shepard isn't a scientist.how are we able to build the crucible with out any idea what is function beyond "weapon" and plans that are never specified to the player
Bored now, but this one's just wrong:who or what are the keepers, why give an option (destroy) that will set the cycle over again,
.... because Destroy wouldn't keep the cycle going. The Reapers cause the cycle. No Reapers, and either synthetics take over or they don't. Either way, no cycle.
And the answer to this one... is that they aren't.why are the leviathans considered unimportant to the main story unless through a damn paywall
Modifié par FlamingBoy, 16 janvier 2014 - 05:18 .
Modifié par AlanC9, 16 janvier 2014 - 05:20 .
AlanC9 wrote...
What's important about them?
FlamingBoy wrote...
AlanC9 wrote...
What's important about them?
What isn't important about them?
Because they answer fundamental question of the past (why this is happening), present (context of action), and future (motivation).
Modifié par AlanC9, 16 janvier 2014 - 05:28 .
[/quote]If they're all this easy, I'd encourage people with these sort of questions to play the game.
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FlamingBoy wrote...
Yes all those questions are important, and yes they remain unanswered.
And you took that literally, as opposed to a rhetorical device?
Modifié par c091n87, 16 janvier 2014 - 05:29 .
[/quote]If they're all this easy, I'd encourage people with these sort of questions to play the game.
annoying "mature vs kid" innuendo aside.c091n87 wrote...
FlamingBoy wrote...
Yes all those questions are important, and yes they remain unanswered.
Sci-fi has a lot of unanswered questions. People who want everything answered and all the knots tied up must be new to the genre. Well maybe not all sci-fi. There's sci-fi for kids like Star Wars, but Mass Effect is a mature game. The best sci-fi leaves a lot of unanswered things and has you thinking about it long after its over.
[/quote]If they're all this easy, I'd encourage people with these sort of questions to play the game.
Dean_the_Young wrote...
If iakus had a history of supporting a balance of good and bad, I'd probably agree with that. But he doesn't- his proposals pretty much fixate on reducing the signature 'bad' of Destroy, and make no attempt to balance anything else against it. He's pretty much in it for the golden ending, with at most a token cost he doesn't have an issue with to cover it.
Modifié par CronoDragoon, 16 janvier 2014 - 05:44 .
[/quote]If they're all this easy, I'd encourage people with these sort of questions to play the game.
Since the relays are destroyed regardless, and there's no clear timeline for their reconstruction in any ending, he's never been terribly convincing about it. Especially given a lack of narrative weight given to the prospect, it's generally a token cost as presented by him.CronoDragoon wrote...
Dean_the_Young wrote...
If iakus had a history of supporting a balance of good and bad, I'd probably agree with that. But he doesn't- his proposals pretty much fixate on reducing the signature 'bad' of Destroy, and make no attempt to balance anything else against it. He's pretty much in it for the golden ending, with at most a token cost he doesn't have an issue with to cover it.
Iakus has suggested in the past that he'd be willing to trade the (utter) destruction of the relays for the geth/EDI. Myself I'm not so sure, but that's still a pretty big negative.
In regards to a post-Destroy galaxy, the Leviathans could be one of many rising, expansionist powers. Personally I think genophage-less Krogan and post-Reaper new species are a more credible threat to fixate on. That, and the prospect of a struggle against those who want to rebuild the relays and those who think they should be not be rebuilt. How much of the rest of the galaxy would want a new Council system, especially with the traditional xeno-states broken apart across the galaxy?I wonder if players would retrospectively favor Control or Synthesis more if the Stargazer scene had instead been a scene about the Leviathans rising up to attack a weakened galaxy. Destroy galaxy is in a much worse position to rally and defeat such an opponent than Control/Synthesis. But then they'd have to make ME4 about that, which isn't really what I'm hoping for.
Not really. For the same reason I've a strong inclination that you wouldn't be particularly knowledgeable about the history of your own continent two thousand years back, pre-Prothean civilizations aren't particularly important. They rose, they contributed to the Crucible, they fell.FlamingBoy wrote...
They cannot answer everything but when it comes to a plot device such as the crucible which is a billion year old design, with history of a billion years questions need to be answered. Its part of the responsbility of placing such an absurd plot device.
And they gave obvious answers. There was no one species that developed the Crucible. It was an additive effort of numerous iterations. Those societies made simple how-to instructions so that even species that didn't understand the science could make the product.Bioware could not break the "laws of physics" but they could limit the obvious questions that comes around a weapon with a billion year history.
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Not really. For the same reason I've a strong inclination that you wouldn't be particularly knowledgeable about the history of your own continent two thousand years back, pre-Prothean civilizations aren't particularly important. They rose, they contributed to the Crucible, they fell.FlamingBoy wrote...
They cannot answer everything but when it comes to a plot device such as the crucible which is a billion year old design, with history of a billion years questions need to be answered. Its part of the responsbility of placing such an absurd plot device.
The reason ancient works and precursor species work in fantasy and sci-fi settings is because of the mystery of history, not the elaboration of long-past backstory. Precursor species are a narrative device prone to minimalism as a strength, not weakness.And they gave obvious answers. There was no one species that developed the Crucible. It was an additive effort of numerous iterations. Those societies made simple how-to instructions so that even species that didn't understand the science could make the product.Bioware could not break the "laws of physics" but they could limit the obvious questions that comes around a weapon with a billion year history.
The issue isn't that they didn't give you enough. You just want more.
Modifié par FlamingBoy, 16 janvier 2014 - 06:01 .
Ooh, goody. Let's qualify signficiant.FlamingBoy wrote...
I have significant knowledge about history, especially 2000 years ago (roman empire being among my personal favorites). Thank you for the implication.
How not? Your questions were answered. You were given enough information to support the plot as necessary.My stance on knowledge of the crucible is the same. There is not enough.
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Qutayba wrote...
Despite the heated tempers, there were actually a lot of great threads about story-telling, art, and "ownership" of fictional universes.
c091n87 wrote...
They pretty much stayed the course, and didn't change it. Plenty of people who liked the ending and didn't have any issues with it. Perhaps they didn't pay attention to all the PR talk and just bought, played, and enjoyed the game.
Modifié par EntropicAngel, 16 janvier 2014 - 06:27 .
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Ooh, goody. Let's qualify signficiant.FlamingBoy wrote...
I have significant knowledge about history, especially 2000 years ago (roman empire being among my personal favorites). Thank you for the implication.
Do you know the governors of your local city? His son? Do you know the slave revolts and taxation records? What was the public perception on the Roman transition to Empire?
Maybe that's not significant enough. How about De Orthographia: De Obscuris Catonis? The rituals of Saturnus? Can you at least describe the contents of Rereum memoria dignarum libri?
If you can't, why can't I claim your knowledge is insignificant?How not? Your questions were answered. You were given enough information to support the plot as necessary.My stance on knowledge of the crucible is the same. There is not enough.
Knowing the original species name of the Keepers doesn't affect the plot. Knowing the first species to call the Crucible a Crucible doesn't change its role or purpose.
The key words, both here and in the roman question, is 'significant.' Most people will take a position that significant information will change priorities and policies if known. Significant information changes your actions. So far, you have not made any such justification for your questions, which is why we are calling them unimportant.
AlanC9 wrote...
FlamingBoy wrote...
AlanC9 wrote...
What's important about them?
What isn't important about them?
Because they answer fundamental question of the past (why this is happening), present (context of action), and future (motivation).
A race of intelligent badgers calked the blerm designed the Crucible. What does this change about past, present, or future?
Same thing for how it works. But I'll let Dean handle the rest of this.
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