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[archav3n]

I don't like DLC. They are already a form of micro-transactions. Those days we have Expansion packs. Which includes all DLCs in the expansion. Now micro-transactions even worst. Treating customers as milk cows. No thanks I'll buy other games instead.

[ghostzodd]

^Don't buy games day one. This game will most defintely have DLC, just wait like six months it will be cheaper=]

Modifié par ghostzodd, 17 janvier 2014 - 05:50 .

[DonaldFwump]

GreenSoda wrote...

DonaldFwump wrote...

I could really care less if they spied on me in the name of anti-terrorism or not, yes.  I'm not saying I want them walking around my house or snooping in my trash or car, that's a bit much.  The Kinect linking to the NSA and all that jazz, that's way too much.  Looking at my website history?  Sure they can knock themselves out.  It'll mostly just be amazon, porn, and this.

Wow...I mean...wow. Are you for real ? To me such an attitude is worse than the damage caused by actual terroism. You are basically -out of your own volition- bending over with a grin. "Sure, go in dry Uncle Sam -just don't be too smug about it".

Yuck.

That seems a tad over exaggerated to me, but it's your opinion so think what you will.

[DonaldFwump]

archav3n wrote...

I don't like DLC. They are already a form of micro-transactions. Those days we have Expansion packs. Which includes all DLCs in the expansion. Now micro-transactions even worst. Treating customers as milk cows. No thanks I'll buy other games instead.

I think it's a bit of a stretch to call DLC microtransactions.  Some DLC can be reasonably priced for the content.  If you prefer, you could think of an expansion pack as an old fashioned form of DLC.  You still paid extra money for content developed after the initial release.  Though I will say expansion packs were usually priced much better for the content you received.

[Degs29]

Ryzaki wrote...

Ugh just keep the microtransactions in multiplayer and I'll be happy.

Huh?

You can ignore microtransactions when you're in single-player.  Multiplayer is another matter, as it affects the fairness of competition.

[daveliam]

I think that the reason people are saying to keep the microtransactions in the MP is that DA: I is going to be a SP game, with a MP component. Most of the people who are buying the game are buying it for the SP experience (many of whom will also play the MP experience). Very few are going to buy it just for the MP experience. Because of this, I would like to see the microtransactions stay in the MP, like with ME 3 because then it wouldn't affect the "main" game (the SP portion of it).

I personally view the MP part of ME 3 to be a fun distraction, but not "the game". If DA: I follows that model, then I'd be okay with microtransactions staying there.

Modifié par daveliam, 17 janvier 2014 - 04:56 .

[ghostzodd]

daveliam wrote...

I think that the reason people are saying to keep the microtransactions in the MP is that DA: I is going to be a SP game, with a MP component. Most of the people who are buying the game are buying it for the SP experience (many of whom will also play the MP experience). Very few are going to buy it just for the MP experience. Because of this, I would like to see the microtransactions stay in the MP, like with ME 3 because then it wouldn't affect the "main" game (the SP portion of it).

I personally view the MP part of ME 3 to be a fun distraction, but not "the game". If DA: I follows that model, then I'd be okay with microtransactions staying there.

+1:wizard:

[Aesir26]

As others have said, if there's going to be microtransactions then I'd prefer if they were only applied to the MP component.

As for DLC, it really depends on the DLC in question. I liked the DLCs in the Dragon Age and Mass Effect series that expanded on the stories of the games (as long as they weren't Day One). What I didn't like were the item packs since, although I don't doubt they looked cool, the story DLCs felt like you were getting more bang for your buck.

Modifié par Aesir26, 17 janvier 2014 - 08:46 .

[bEVEsthda]

I like microtransactions. I think it's one of the truly great ideas in IT.
Unfortunately, I have never seen a single example of it.
All there is and have ever been, are substantialtransactions.

[L. Han]

Opinions that I agree on micro transactions have already been said. On the 'immersion' or for some people, creative level, micro transactions can be quite immersion breaking. Being reminded that you need to crack out extra dollars in order to have an easier time, gain access to a locked out content, or anything else is arguable mood killing.

Would you enjoy your meal if the waitress keeps reminding you that you have to pay for the food? And insists that you pay them tip at the very moment they ask for it? Would you enjoy a buffet if you actually have to pay for every dish, instead of paying once and eating all you want?

[TuringPoint]

Making paid-for games follow the free2play model is a bad idea.

I can't see that there's any precedent of a full price AAA title offering microtransactions.  Also, they already have DLC, which borders on being comparably unfair to microtransactions in single player.  The content of DLC is finite, at least, and the degree of unfairness is arguable. 

If they had microtransactions for content in single and multi, I would not be opposed as long as there is an in-game way to earn content.  

I don't want them to do a free 2 play model on paid for single player games.  It's less fair than it is for multiplayer.

[TuringPoint]

Rickets wrote...

On the 'immersion' or for some people, creative level, micro transactions can be quite immersion breaking. Being reminded that you need to crack out extra dollars in order to have an easier time, gain access to a locked out content, or anything else is arguable mood killing.

I didn't want to think about these possibilities.  It would be very mood killing.  It's one thing in casual games where there is no tone.

I think it's more immoral than having DLC.  Unless there's a natural limitation on spending you have these companies soaking money without doing anything for it.

As long as the scope is similar or less to what was in ME3 multi, and it's justified by content as in ME3 "free" expansions, I don't mind what they do. 

 Here's the thing.  Part of the reason they would ever do microtransactions is that competition drives it.

Modifié par Alocormin, 18 janvier 2014 - 01:45 .

[leaguer of one]

Degs29 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Ugh just keep the microtransactions in multiplayer and I'll be happy.

Huh?

You can ignore microtransactions when you're in single-player.  Multiplayer is another matter, as it affects the fairness of competition.

ME3 mp disproves your theory.

[leaguer of one]

Rickets wrote...

Opinions that I agree on micro transactions have already been said. On the 'immersion' or for some people, creative level, micro transactions can be quite immersion breaking. Being reminded that you need to crack out extra dollars in order to have an easier time, gain access to a locked out content, or anything else is arguable mood killing.

Would you enjoy your meal if the waitress keeps reminding you that you have to pay for the food? And insists that you pay them tip at the very moment they ask for it? Would you enjoy a buffet if you actually have to pay for every dish, instead of paying once and eating all you want?

Where eas this issue when characters in game of DAO to pay to unlock new quest?

Modifié par leaguer of one, 18 janvier 2014 - 01:45 .

[TuringPoint]

DLC is not the same as micro-transactions.  You can't buy DLC more than once; you own it after buying it.  Aside from variance in subjective quality, you know what you're paying for.

Modifié par Alocormin, 18 janvier 2014 - 01:55 .

[coldflame]

ghostzodd wrote...

^Don't buy games day one. This game will most defintely have DLC, just wait like six months it will be cheaper=]

Or just wait for the Ultimate/GOTY edition.

[ghostzodd]

tcgtqu wrote...

ghostzodd wrote...

^Don't buy games day one. This game will most defintely have DLC, just wait like six months it will be cheaper=]

Or just wait for the Ultimate/GOTY edition.

True but, in DAI's case  I don't think there will be since EA makes a good amount of money on  DLC:(

Modifié par ghostzodd, 18 janvier 2014 - 04:11 .

[LinksOcarina]

ghostzodd wrote...

tcgtqu wrote...

ghostzodd wrote...

^Don't buy games day one. This game will most defintely have DLC, just wait like six months it will be cheaper=]

Or just wait for the Ultimate/GOTY edition.

True but, in DAI's case  I don't think there will be since EA makes a good amount of money on  DLC:(

That is a big assumption, you know. Even Mass Effect received a trilogy re-release for all platforms, and including most of the DLC as part of the deal. Not to mention that making money via DLC is not the only viable way to sell a product to people. Diversification of distribution is what goes on. 

[TuringPoint]

It would also be fair to point out the trilogy edition only comes with DLC that, as of now, is free for ME1 owners. The rest you have to buy still. It is a decent deal to have all three games, but ME2/3 DLC is not included.  Neither are there any CE materials.

DA2 never got a combined box treatment of any sort.

I believe the last authentically packaged game with all DLC was DA:O.  That doesn't mean it would be out of the question for DA:I, if they put out a lot of DLC for it.

I think part of the issue with DA2 is they never did make the planned expansion or much in the way of DLC.  I suspect it didn't sell as well as they would've liked in order to bring it on the market a second time, repackaged.

Modifié par Alocormin, 18 janvier 2014 - 04:18 .

[ghostzodd]

LinksOcarina wrote...

ghostzodd wrote...

tcgtqu wrote...

ghostzodd wrote...

^Don't buy games day one. This game will most defintely have DLC, just wait like six months it will be cheaper=]

Or just wait for the Ultimate/GOTY edition.

True but, in DAI's case  I don't think there will be since EA makes a good amount of money on  DLC:(

That is a big assumption, you know. Even Mass Effect received a trilogy re-release for all platforms, and including most of the DLC as part of the deal. Not to mention that making money via DLC is not the only viable way to sell a product to people. Diversification of distribution is what goes on. 

Link why do you keep this going? have we not already done this dance before:O, I am done with your nonsense gaming journalist

Modifié par ghostzodd, 18 janvier 2014 - 06:32 .

[ghostzodd]

Alocormin wrote...

It would also be fair to point out the trilogy edition only comes with DLC that, as of now, is free for ME1 owners. The rest you have to buy still. It is a decent deal to have all three games, but ME2/3 DLC is not included.  Neither are there any CE materials.

DA2 never got a combined box treatment of any sort.

I believe the last authentically packaged game with all DLC was DA:O.  That doesn't mean it would be out of the question for DA:I, if they put out a lot of DLC for it.

I think part of the issue with DA2 is they never did make the planned expansion or much in the way of DLC.  I suspect it didn't sell as well as they would've liked in order to bring it on the market a second time, repackaged.

DA2  was a complete failure, I enjoyed it for what it was since I got it for 10.00, but it was meh

[LinksOcarina]

ghostzodd wrote...

Alocormin wrote...

It would also be fair to point out the trilogy edition only comes with DLC that, as of now, is free for ME1 owners. The rest you have to buy still. It is a decent deal to have all three games, but ME2/3 DLC is not included.  Neither are there any CE materials.

DA2 never got a combined box treatment of any sort.

I believe the last authentically packaged game with all DLC was DA:O.  That doesn't mean it would be out of the question for DA:I, if they put out a lot of DLC for it.

I think part of the issue with DA2 is they never did make the planned expansion or much in the way of DLC.  I suspect it didn't sell as well as they would've liked in order to bring it on the market a second time, repackaged.

DA2  was a complete failure, I enjoyed it for what it was since I got it for 10.00, but it was meh

I don't think the game being a failure (which is kind of a weighted term for it, honestly it was still better than people give it credit for)  is the reason why it  had DLC pulled. The real reason was likely due to money and time; was the DLC already made profitable enough to keep development going, or was it wiser to cut losses that did occur and go full swing on the next game.

My guess its more than likely a mix of both. Yeah it didn't make as much money as Origins in the long run, but I think the fact that we have a confirmed 3 year development time for Inquisition at the moment (starting in 2011 if the timetable is correct), with aspects of the exhalted march being added to the game, id say its very likely that is the case in the end over being a failure.

[Red Panda]

Would emote packs sell? It'd certainly help with immersion.

[otis0310]

Knowing EA they will charge $20 for a new set of armor that it took them 5 minutes to make.

However, I like DLC the way Bethesda makes them. Look at the DLC for Skyrim, those things are like full blown expansion packs. They are easily worht the $20 I paid each. Fallout New Vegas and Fallout 3 each enjoyed pretty good DLC that was worth the money.

If EA made good quality DLC like that I would buy it. But knowing EA, $20 won't get you a full sized expansion pack, it will get you a single suit of armor.

Modifié par otis0310, 19 janvier 2014 - 04:50 .