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[cyrexwingblade]

The Genophage vs Krogan aggression concern is actually part of why I'm one of the weird ones that does Control. My Shephard doesn't like the idea at all, but feels like it's the only option not WORSE than her goals.

And for that reason, about 50 years afterward, when the Krogan start getting to big for Wrex to fully control on his own, Shepard's 'Reapers' basically *enforce* polite deplomacy for negotiations for new worlds. There are worse things than Krogan to deal with, and Krogan make very useful shock troops, so just blowing them to heck again isn't productive.

As a note, she DID do peace between Quarians and Geth. That's why she couldn't just snap-choice Destroy. She also viewed Edi as fully alive.

[RandomGuy96]

shodiswe wrote...

RandomGuy96 wrote...

I didn't. The post however was not like yours. It described the differences between the conflicts by saying that the sides had decent points, yet you had to rely on deduction and codex reading in one game; it didn't even take a real side on the issue. Yet you just had to come in and say "NO UH UH ONLY ONE SIDE DID THE OTHER ARE BAD GUYS AND EVERYONE WHO SAYS OTHERWISE JUST WANTS TO DEFEND THEIR WAIFU".

I do see it. However, throwing out bait for other unrelated people by blatantly insulting them (i.e. everyone who would side with the quarians if they had to choose one), calling them "biased" and only "pro-waifu" is not a good thing to do even if you think someone else was baiting first. Even though, if you're referring to what I think you are, this baiting only came after yours.

I dissagreed with the notion that ME1 and/or ME2 explained all these conflicts better than the whole series put together.
Hearing a kid tell you about what their people told you in school isn't better than getting both sides and a series of historical recordings.

Which is what I wanted to say. while others think the simplisity provided by ME1 and possibly ME2 is preferable to what they call a mess that was added later on.

I like it that there is more than one side to these coflicts, it makes the story less one dimentional.

After playing ME1 I had a feeling that the Geth might be a problem that would have to be dealt with. But later I learned that it wasn't as clear and cut as that. Sure Tali's schoolbook story about their view on the Geth conflict and the Geth did seem biased.

Same with the Krogans, you learn more about them, but the truth is, they did start a war called the Krogan rebellions. They also used Questionable methods like sending asteroids towards populated worlds.
New facts are added and you meet more Krogans and visit their world in ME2 and 3.
You are also showed that there is more to the Krogans than warfare and constant strife.

Both the Krogans and the Geth are given a chance to show their side of the story.
I disagree with anyone who prefers a simplified onesided story.

The complexity and reallife parallels makes these stories great.

Except you didn't actually say any of this in your derail. You came in and said that one side was one bad and anyone who disagreed was a moron/biased. Then you said that people shouldn't try to bait you, after you just tried to bait everyone.


Oh, and I don't like ME3's handling of the quarian-geth conflict precisely because it's too one-sided and simple. The geth are portrayed as perfect angels, all of their misdeeds from the rest of the games and books are swept under the table.

[KaiserShep]

Lack of context was probably a big part of the reason why so many cure the genophage even with Wreav, aside from those who may simply cure it because they feel it's just unconscionable to implement a bioweapon like this. Unless you probe certain characters or delve into the codex, you don't really get a good idea of what the rebellions were really like. Of course, Mordin does make a good case for keeping the genophage intact, despite looking like he's having some issues coming to terms with it in the end.

In any case, I cure it for three reasons with Wrex: I feel that after the events of ME2 with him in charge, and with Eve, he may have made good enough progress that at least a short leap of faith can be made with them, and of course some loyalty to Wrex himself. Not entirely certain if he would do the same for Shepard in the reverse situation, but I like to think that he would. Another is the tactical advantage. This one is tricky, because this reason exists with both Wrex or Wreav, but with no loyalty to Wreav and a strong distaste for his brand of leadership and what it means for the krogan in general, f*ck 'em.

Under normal circumstances, however, I wouldn't bother interfering with the genophage at all, and let the krogan deal with it themselves. Despite Maelon's protests and Mordin's internal conflict, I think this is something that would normally be better off left to the judgment of the turians, salarians and asari, given how the rebellions is a big part of their own histories.

As for the geth, I can go either way with them. If peace was not possible, I'd simply pick the quarians, because I'm not going to doom a species in favor of their ancestors' byproducts. I figure peace as more of a "why the heck not, robot soldiers without wiping out their creators' descendants".

Modifié par KaiserShep, 12 janvier 2014 - 12:50 .

[FlamingBoy]

the krogan issue is significantly less contentious, the right thing (morally) is obvious. Whenever its the best thing is up for debate.

[Display Name Owner]

I guess the difference is that with the Quarians or Geth, you're utterly eradicating one species or the other. With the Krogan, even if you sabotage the cure, you're not actually killing them. In fact, it's said the only reason their numbers were dropping is because they spend all day killing each other, the Genophage did exactly what it was supposed to do, stabilise their numbers. Causing mass stillbirths is still a horrible, horrible way to go about that.

That said, I'm tempted to say keeping the Genophage going is the sensible choice, even with Wrex in charge. Although, despite spending the whole arc fully intending to take what the Dalatrass was offering, Wrex and his "brother and friend" talk guilted me into curing them...

Anyway, Wrex and Eve can only exert so much control. Especially when the other clans grow in strength as their numbers swell. Plus, without the Reapers, the Krogan have only got each other to turn their aggression upon, until it gets to the point where they need more resources than the Council is willing to hand them. It might be alright if the Krogan took similar measures to the Salarians, who also have a high birth rate but use a system of selective breeding to keep it manageable. Wrex is already demanding planets of the Council before the Reapers are even dealt with, and the biggest issue is that neither he nor Eve show any sign of even thinking about addressing the subject of population control.

As the Krogan keep growing, they'll need more resources, and they will take it by force. Even if Wrex is against it, the other factions will only get bigger and stronger and I don't see how he can control them all forever. And even if he can, relying on one guy who's not going to live forever is a massive gamble.

The whole thing's just waiting to explode if you ask me. If the Krogan won't make serious changes to their culture, the Genophage needs to remain.

[Hazegurl]

I think no one feels that strongly about the Genophage because Shepard is sort of divorced from the direct outcome of making such a choice. With the Geth/Quarian arc the outcome is faced personally by Shepard and it all happens right then and there.

As for the Genophage, you just have to speculate on whether you made the right call depending upon the ending selected and heck even if you sabotage the cure, I think picking Synthesis fixes it anyway.

In my canon, I always sabotage the cure no matter who is in charge. I like Wrex but he pisses me off. Eve and Wrex sit around blaming the Genophage for all their problems claiming that Krogans kill cause they have no other hope. GTFO with that sappy bs. They were given the Genophage cause they are a bunch of killers. It's there own fault that their race can't survive on the same birthrate as everyone else. It doesn't even seem to matter if their children are stillborn or not, cause when they grow up somebody is going to put a bullet in their skull anyway. Might as well be stillborn and not know how screwed up your race is.

Wrex sits around demanding a cure even while Reapers are crawling all over his home world. Maybe if he had his troops fighting on Tuchanka he would have noticed that huge bomb sitting there. Which btw, I allow to go off now in exchange for curing the Genophage. I love having Wrex in the Citadal DLC so it makes me feel better to blow up some Krogan and cripple them further if I'm going to cure them. boo hoo for Wrex that he expects everyone to care about his planet even when he makes no effort to care about it himself enough to fight for it.

[AlexMBrennan]

Shepard's 'Reapers' basically *enforce* polite deplomacy for negotiations for new worlds. There are worse things than Krogan to deal with, and Krogan make very useful shock troops, so just blowing them to heck again isn't productive.

So your plan is to force the krogan at gunpoint to serve as (disposable?) shock troops? Nice. After the war, you can use throw them in concentration camps and use them as forced labour.

[KaiserShep]

Hazegurl wrote...

In my canon, I always sabotage the cure no matter who is in charge. I like Wrex but he pisses me off. Eve and Wrex sit around blaming the Genophage for all their problems claiming that Krogans kill cause they have no other hope. GTFO with that sappy bs. They were given the Genophage cause they are a bunch of killers. It's there own fault that their race can't survive on the same birthrate as everyone else. It doesn't even seem to matter if their children are stillborn or not, cause when they grow up somebody is going to put a bullet in their skull anyway. Might as well be stillborn and not know how screwed up your race is.

You can say it's sappy BS, but a bioweapon that curtails the birth rate of an entire species is bound to have a very profound psychological effect on its population. Imagine if the human race was infected with a virus that had the same effect. No one can be certain that it would lead to something like Children of Men, but it would no doubt have a severe impact on the human race in general, especially if research yielded no real resolution.

I don't know where you got the information that suggests that the birth rate is at the same level as the other species, but if fault is going to be thrown around, we're going to have to put this one squarely on the salarians. We're talking about an alien species implementing a bioweapon to stifle their rising population. Whether or not their reasons were justified is immaterial. Any and all effects that this bioweapon causes is also their responsibility. If anything, the rebellions are also the fault of the salarians. The salarians disregarded krogan barbarism and accelerated their technological development so they could use them, and then everyone else had to deal with the consequences.

Wrex sits around demanding a cure even while Reapers are crawling all over his home world. Maybe if he had his troops fighting on Tuchanka he would have noticed that huge bomb sitting there. Which btw, I allow to go off now in exchange for curing the Genophage. I love having Wrex in the Citadal DLC so it makes me feel better to blow up some Krogan and cripple them further if I'm going to cure them. boo hoo for Wrex that he expects everyone to care about his planet even when he makes no effort to care about it himself enough to fight for it.

During the mission to disarm the bomb, you learn that it was excavated by Cerberus. The turians didn't just leave it there out in the open.

As for your claim that he makes no effort to care about it himself or fight for it, I'm going to assume now that you paid no attention to what he said in ME2 regarding his role as leader of clan Urdnot. Much of his efforts were to work around the effects of the genophage by rallying the females together to ensure that the other clans don't kill themselves off fighting rivals while building the strength of his own.

You are also forgetting that the genophage is meant to prevent the krogan's ability to both wage war while maintaining a viable population. The reaper invasion renders any and all efforts to work around the genophage moot.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 12 janvier 2014 - 02:47 .

[Hazegurl]

KaiserShep wrote...
You can say it's sappy BS, but a bioweapon that curtails the birth rate of an entire species is bound to have a very profound psychological effect on its population. Imagine if the human race was infected with a virus that had the same effect. No one can be certain that it would lead to something like Children of Men, but it would no doubt have a severe impact on the human race in general, especially if research yielded no real resolution.
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It is sappy bs when they try to skate over the fact that they got the genophage based on the very thing they claim the genophage is causing them to do.  Who told them to nuke their own planet into a wasteland, butcher their own people by the billions along with everyone else? These things were done before the genophage was implemented. Now they want to claim that they do these things because of the genophage? Cry me a river Eve. I have no doubt that the genophage does make them lose hope, yet when they get hope they instantly wish to revert back to the very behavior that ruined them in the first place. I'm mostly talking about Wreav here.  Yes, the Salarians are at fault too. I would never call them innocent, but to me the anwser to their mistake is not a cure for the genophage.

As for their birthrate, it's just a guess on my part so I could be wrong. But if you consider their "abnormally" high birthrate compared to humans and their adaption to the genophage then I would say that their birthrate could be on par with the average human or at least getting there. The reason why they're going extinct is because they can't stop killing each other and that is not the Salarian's fault.

During the mission to disarm the bomb, you learn that it was excavated by Cerberus. The turians didn't just leave it there out in the open.

I know. It was underground. Yet Wrex was too busy barking orders for a cure instead of fighting for his planet. If he was, he would have known about the bomb when it was uncovered like he found out about everything else.  Like James points out if you bring him to Tuchanka "Shouldn't the Krogan want to get the Reapers off of their own planet?"  even a meathead could see that Wrex/Wrev demanding a cure over fighting for his own planet is stupid.  What if they couldn't cure the Genophage without years of research? What would he do then? Sit on his butt and let what's left of his own people die?

As for your claim that he makes no effort to care about it himself or fight for it, I'm going to assume now that you paid no attention to what he said in ME2 regarding his role as leader of clan Urdnot. Much of his efforts were to work around the effects of the genophage by rallying the females together to ensure that the other clans don't kill themselves off fighting rivals while building the strength of his own.

You are also forgetting that the genophage is meant to prevent the krogan's ability to both wage war while maintaining a viable population. The reaper invasion renders any and all efforts to work around the genophage moot.

Where are those Krogan doctors and scientists to help cure the genophage? Why does it take only one or two leaders to rub two brain cells together to try and stop the killing among their own people?  Why are there still plenty of Krogan willing to side with a nutcase like Wreav even if Wrex is in charge? Why does Wrex/Wreav allow their planet to be invaded by Reapers when they have child bearing women and rare Krogan children on it? Yeah I think it's safe to say that if the Krogan aren't doing much to help themselves they can't expect everyone else to get off their butts and care enough to play Captain save a Krogan. Also, the Genophage does not stop the krogan from waging war. All it does is cut their numbers. They can't wage war cause their scattered, divided, and playing Merc for credits.

[chris2365]

 Interesting debate. I think there are few debates on the Genophage cure for a bunch of reasons. One reason could be that in general, you have a lot more people supporting the cure then against it. This is true for most people here on BSN who imported playthroughs and kept Wrex and Mordin alive. The same idea can even be used for other variations of playthroughs.

In an ideal playthrough, you have Wrex and Eve, two likable characters who seem to present compelling arguments to cure the genophage. Then you have Mordin. His own race created the genophage, but he feels sad for the Krogan and he finds that now is the time to change, with all that's going on. Victus is neutral, he just wants Krogan support.

The only person opposing the Genophage is the Dalatrass. Despite what she might think of the Krogan, she treats them like dirt even though she is partly to blame for this problem, since the Salarians uplifted them when they weren't ready. She does present good arguments concerning Krogan overpopulation and mentality problems, but in the face of all the pro-Genophage arguments, most would dicredit her and move on to cure the Genophage.

What's also important to keep in mind is that those who are pro-Genophage cure (Wrex, Eve, and Mordin) are people you had as squadmates. They were people that almost everyone loved and had a trust built with them. They stood by you when few would. Why would people decide to turn on their trusted buddies just because some whiny salarian Dalatrass didn't get her way?
Besides, how many here have the guts to lie in Wrex's face AND shoot Mordin in the back:crying:

Modifié par chris2365, 12 janvier 2014 - 04:00 .

[Hazegurl]

@Chris, that actually would it could boil down to more than anything. The game nearly beats you upside the head that curing the Genophage is the right choice.

This pic is probably a good representation for the Genophage arc. lol! Andy would be the Dalatrass
http://alternativema...jpg?w=500&h=312

Modifié par Hazegurl, 12 janvier 2014 - 04:21 .

[Darks1d3]

chris2365 wrote...

 Interesting debate. I think there are few debates on the Genophage cure for a bunch of reasons. One reason could be that in general, you have a lot more people supporting the cure then against it. This is true for most people here on BSN who imported playthroughs and kept Wrex and Mordin alive. The same idea can even be used for other variations of playthroughs.

In an ideal playthrough, you have Wrex and Eve, two likable characters who seem to present compelling arguments to cure the genophage. Then you have Mordin. His own race created the genophage, but he feels sad for the Krogan and he finds that now is the time to change, with all that's going on. Victus is neutral, he just wants Krogan support.

The only person opposing the Genophage is the Dalatrass. Despite what she might think of the Krogan, she treats them like dirt even though she is partly to blame for this problem, since the Salarians uplifted them when they weren't ready. She does present good arguments concerning Krogan overpopulation and mentality problems, but in the face of all the pro-Genophage arguments, most would dicredit her and move on to cure the Genophage.

What's also important to keep in mind is that those who are pro-Genophage cure (Wrex, Eve, and Mordin) are people you had as squadmates. They were people that almost everyone loved and had a trust built with them. They stood by you when few would. Why would people decide to turn on their trusted buddies just because some whiny salarian Dalatrass didn't get her way?
Besides, how many here have the guts to lie in Wrex's face AND shoot Mordin in the back:crying:

I can think of a few people here on BSN.

Anyways, I always chose to cure the genophage. I could never betray Wrex or kill off Mordin. However, if it wasn't for the Reapers trying to eradicate all "advanced" organic species, I wouldn't feel compelled to cure the genophage. I don't think Shepard really has any right deciding that since humans weren't around during the rebellions. The genophage was implemented for a reason, and Mordin made good points in ME2 on why it had to be done.

But since I don't have much of a choice, I go ahead and cure it. I just can't condemn a whole race on "what ifs". There's no guarantee that the Krogan won't repeat the past, but there's also no guarantee that they will. Besides, as some have mentioned, the Krogan have to lift themselves out of the stone age again for them to be a threat to anyone. I don't see that happening anytime soon.

Modifié par Darks1d3, 12 janvier 2014 - 04:28 .

[chris2365]

Hazegurl wrote...

@Chris, that actually would it could boil down to more than anything. The game nearly beats you upside the head that curing the Genophage is the right choice.

This pic is probably a good representation for the Genophage arc. lol! Andy would be the Dalatrass
http://alternativema...jpg?w=500&h=312

+1. Exactly what it boils down to

[KaiserShep]

Hazegurl wrote...

It is sappy bs when they try to skate over the fact that they got the genophage based on the very thing they claim the genophage is causing them to do.  Who told them to nuke their own planet into a wasteland, butcher their own people by the billions along with everyone else? These things were done before the genophage was implemented. Now they want to claim that they do these things because of the genophage? Cry me a river Eve. I have no doubt that the genophage does make them lose hope, yet when they get hope they instantly wish to revert back to the very behavior that ruined them in the first place. I'm mostly talking about Wreav here.  Yes, the Salarians are at fault too. I would never call them innocent, but to me the anwser to their mistake is not a cure for the genophage.

The krogan nuclear war is not really a good case when discussing an issue such as the genophage, considering the circumstances at the time. Look at the parallel between the krogan nuclear war and the fate of Rakhana. The drell, like the krogan, suffered a massive population explosion, and due to a failing environment on account of industrial expansion, warred over dwindling resources. The key difference of course is that the krogan are naturally more aggressive due the type of world they evolved on, since everything eats everything else, and turned to a more primitive social structure as a result. We don't know how they would have developed after this point, because they were then used by the salarians as tools to fight off the rachni, and then their worst traits were honed and exploited without consideration for the long-term consequences. In this case, I don't think that Maelon is completely off the mark here, even if it seems a bit of a reach about the missed "renaissance".

But, as you mentioned, the leader makes the difference here. Regarding the answer to the salarians' mistake, I imagine that there's no answer that's particularly ideal, because the real issue, as I see it, is control and how other species may abuse it. This whole "uplifting" process seems to be the source of some of the most catastrophic events in the galaxy other than the reapers. The protheans learned this the hard way with the rachni, just like the salarians did with the krogan. The most efficient would simply be to sabotage the cure and leave the krogan to extinction and leave it at that. That still leaves the frogs the uplift the yagh though.

I know. It was underground. Yet Wrex was too busy barking orders for a cure instead of fighting for his planet. If he was, he would have known about the bomb when it was uncovered like he found out about everything else.  Like James points out if you bring him to Tuchanka "Shouldn't the Krogan want to get the Reapers off of their own planet?"  even a meathead could see that Wrex/Wrev demanding a cure over fighting for his own planet is stupid.  What if they couldn't cure the Genophage without years of research? What would he do then? Sit on his butt and let what's left of his own people die?

The krogan are being asked to send aid to a species that implemented the very thing that ensures that any prolonged conflict with the reapers will likely leave them functionally extinct. James' comment is silly nonsense. Obviously, the krogan want the reapers off of Tuchanka, just like the humans want them off of earth. Wanting them to go away and being able to make them are two different things. Even if they pushed back the marauders and harvesters and whatever else, the destroyer that's using the shroud to poison their atmosphere is the main issue to deal with.

However Wrex would act with no cure in sight is a moot point and not worth speculating on, considering that this proposal is presented after already being made aware that a cure is near completion and the salarians are holding females that are immune to the genophage.

Where are those Krogan doctors and scientists to help cure the genophage? Why does it take only one or two leaders to rub two brain cells together to try and stop the killing among their own people?  Why are there still plenty of Krogan willing to side with a nutcase like Wreav even if Wrex is in charge? Why does Wrex/Wreav allow their planet to be invaded by Reapers when they have child bearing women and rare Krogan children on it? Yeah I think it's safe to say that if the Krogan aren't doing much to help themselves they can't expect everyone else to get off their butts and care enough to play Captain save a Krogan. Also, the Genophage does not stop the krogan from waging war. All it does is cut their numbers. They can't wage war cause their scattered, divided, and playing Merc for credits.

Despite what Wrex says in ME1, some krogan have been trying to find ways to cure the genophage even then, though some methods were hokier than others. Some tried those ridiculous testicle transplants, and others tried to outsource geneticists to find a way to counteract the genophage, if you listen to the news announcement on the elevator in the Citadel. The first cure we found was subsequently destroyed on Virmire, and since then the krogan simply tried to find other ways around it.

What I said was that the genophage prevented the krogan from being able to wage war while maintaining a viable population. Even Wrex says this in ME1. The krogan clearly have enough numbers to start a fight, but lack the capacity to replenish what they lose if they did. The genophage is made specifically to keep the krogan population level during peacetime.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 12 janvier 2014 - 06:20 .

[Excella Gionne]

cap and gown wrote...

Non-import is: Eve dies, Wreav in charge. And I can tell you why I cure it if Wrex is around: I don't want to kill Wrex. I have killed Mordin. I have also sent him to work on the crucible. But I have never killed Wrex. Probably mostly because I want him on the squad for Citadel. His combat AI is hilarious.

Interestingly, I have never killed Wiks, but only because he has only been in two playthroughs and both of those included Wrex.

I've killed everyone except Legion Assassin.....

[Excella Gionne]

I do care about the genophage, but I can say that it was reasonable to have implemented it in the first place, but letting it go on for more than a thousand years is pretty harsh, but Krogans do have long lifespans like Asaris. Wrex, I believe, was born post-genophage, but he was the only Krogan who wanted to help his people if he did find a way which he eventually did and started that in ME2 to ME3. Curing the Genophage is only more less risky only if Wrex and Eve are alive, if one of the two are dead or both, it all comes down to "How far will you go to save Earth?"

Just FYI for those who have yet to know about Asari mating with post-genophage Krogans, Krogans being sterile does not stop Asaris from mating with them and having Asari children with them. For example, Matriarch Aethyta's parents.

Modifié par johnnythao89, 12 janvier 2014 - 07:17 .

[Excella Gionne]

StreetMagic wrote...

johnnythao89 wrote...

cap and gown wrote...

Non-import is: Eve dies, Wreav in charge. And I can tell you why I cure it if Wrex is around: I don't want to kill Wrex. I have killed Mordin. I have also sent him to work on the crucible. But I have never killed Wrex. Probably mostly because I want him on the squad for Citadel. His combat AI is hilarious.

Interestingly, I have never killed Wiks, but only because he has only been in two playthroughs and both of those included Wrex.

I've killed everyone except Legion Assassin.....

Letting Legion live, but not Wrex, is like letting Judas live. And killing St. Peter.

Legion Assassin is the Cerberus Legion. I've killed Legion, but I've never sold him to kill him later.

[Axdinosaurx]

It's not quite THAT simple but I would never cure them if wreav is in charge, no f***ing way. Wrex is smart and open minded but I don't trust him to rule alone. The only way I cure it is if both Wrex and Eve are alive.

Also the Krogan have no way to wage a galactic war again, they have no warships or really any place to construct their own. As tough as they are on the ground, it wouldn't take a large navy to bomb them into extinction if they tried anything again. The Dalatrass seems to forget that in her argument, a second "rebellions" couldn't happen.

[shodiswe]

Chemical or biological weapons are pretty much universaly despised.
The Genophage has been tormenting the Krogans for over a thousand years. It's inherited by their children and childrens children.

Most people would find this immoral and wrong.
Sure it might cause problems in the future, but so will the current uncontrolled human population explosion.

[Daemul]

shodiswe wrote...

Chemical or biological weapons are pretty much universaly despised.
The Genophage has been tormenting the Krogans for over a thousand years. It's inherited by their children and childrens children.

Most people would find this immoral and wrong.
Sure it might cause problems in the future, but so will the current uncontrolled human population explosion.

Those same Krogan who tormented the rest of the galaxy by chucking asteroids at their worlds and forced the Turians into making a final stand on Menae? Krogan am cry. Thank god that those "most people" will never be in a position with the authority to doom us all with their naive notions of morality and right and wrong.

Just what do you think would the Krogan have done if had they won the war because the Turians let naive notions of morality blind them into not using the genophage? Do you think they would have been as merciful as the Turians were? No, they would have driven the Turians to extinction like they did the Rachni. The Krogan should be greatful that they were not annihilated like they should have been. 

Also, Human females don't each give birth to 1000 babies a year. 

Modifié par Daemul, 12 janvier 2014 - 04:00 .

[themikefest]

chris2365 wrote...
Besides, how many here have the guts to lie in Wrex's face AND shoot Mordin in the back:crying:

The femshep I play does.
 
I have only cured the genephage once with Wrex and Mordin alive just to see the outcome. The same for Wreav. All the other times I sabotage the genephage. When the Dalatross offers me Salarain support I take it. The only thing I care about is getting enough support to defeat the reapers

Modifié par themikefest, 12 janvier 2014 - 04:01 .

[chris2365]

themikefest wrote...

chris2365 wrote...
Besides, how many here have the guts to lie in Wrex's face AND shoot Mordin in the back:crying:

The femshep I play does.
 
I have only cured the genephage once with Wrex and Mordin alive just to see the outcome. The same for Wreav. All the other times I sabotage the genephage. When the Dalatross offers me Salarain support I take it. The only thing I care about is getting enough support to defeat the reapers

That's good. It shows you're able to overlook the fact that the pro-Genophage cure supporters were squadmates. You detach yourself from them. My point in my argument was that even if most people arrived at the stage where they thought sabotoging the cure was better, Wrex and Mordin would show up with their ''You're a champion of the Krogan people'' and ''Had to be me, someone else might had gotten it wrong'' speeches and since most of us loved these characters, few would have the guts to go against them.