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The Genophage - does anybody care?


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#101
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chris2365 wrote...

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Besides, how many here have the guts to lie in Wrex's face AND shoot Mordin in the back:crying:


The femshep I play does.
 
I have only cured the genephage once with Wrex and Mordin alive just to see the outcome. The same for Wreav. All the other times I sabotage the genephage. When the Dalatross offers me Salarain support I take it. The only thing I care about is getting enough support to defeat the reapers


That's good. It shows you're able to overlook the fact that the pro-Genophage cure supporters were squadmates. You detach yourself from them. My point in my argument was that even if most people arrived at the stage where they thought sabotoging the cure was better, Wrex and Mordin would show up with their ''You're a champion of the Krogan people'' and ''Had to be me, someone else might had gotten it wrong'' speeches and since most of us loved these characters, few would have the guts to go against them.



I don't think Wrex says those lines unless you've been consistently Paragon with him. He definitely doesn't trust you if you didn't save Maelon's data. He'll begrudgingly say you've proven yourself or something if you finally help, but say he had his doubts or something to that effect.

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The krogan nuclear war is not really a good case when discussing an issue such as the genophage, considering the circumstances at the time.


It is to me. They can't take care of their own planet and they can't take care of themselves. A low birthrate is better for them, imo. If they kill each other and go extinct that is their own fault. A cure is not the anwser to the Salarians mistake. I do think they need help, a better planet to live on and some aid to do it, but not a cure. If the Salarians repeat their mistake, which I don't see them doing as they all are on the same page about what a mistake uplifting the Krogan are, they should be left to deal with it...again.

The krogan are being asked to send aid to a species that implemented the very thing that ensures that any prolonged conflict with the reapers will likely leave them functionally extinct. James' comment is silly nonsense. Obviously, the krogan want the reapers off of Tuchanka, just like the humans want them off of earth. Wanting them to go away and being able to make them are two different things. Even if they pushed back the marauders and harvesters and whatever else, the destroyer that's using the shroud to poison their atmosphere is the main issue to deal with.


That still doesn't take away from the fact that if Wrex was on Tuchanka or had some forces there he would have had his own intel on the bomb just like he had intel on everything concerning the Genophage. yeah he could gain the info that Shepard betrays him yet doesn't know about a giant bomb unearthed on his own planet near child rearing mothers and rare children?  I call that tunnel vision. James may have been slightly naive with his statement but there is truth in it as well. The Krogan were not helpless. The Genophage is not some magical cure that will instantly give them massive troops to fight the Reapers right then and there and a viable population to match.  Those children still have to grow up and possibly survive the Reaper invasion just to be of any use to anyone including their own species. 

Yes, the Krogan have done something. I do take that back about them not doing anything but that is all I can take back. A viable population can only come if those children survive the reaper invasion and even then they would need another planet other than Tuchanka to thrive, which is why Wrex wanted to have talks about Krogan expansion after the cure. Overall, the fruits of the Genophage cure won't be felt for a while and that is reliant on the war with the Reapers. The only real reason to cure the Krogan is so that Wrex/Wreav would stop b*tching and fight. 

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I sabotage the genophage with Wrex as leader for two reasons 1) I don't trust the Korgan, and 2) Perhaps more so now with later playthroughs, it means Shepard loses something. I always unwillingly murder Wiks, and I always have the confrontation with Wrex on the Citadel, although it is Bailey who takes the finishing shot, as I like the hesistant pause creating a sense of Shepard not being able to do pull the trigger on a friend.

Pre-ME3, the Genophage was a gloriously grey topic in the MEU, and sabotaging it with Wrex in charge is the only way to keep it like that.

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The bomb had been there for over a thousand years, hidden. Longer than Wrex had been alive. The only clue was the Cerberus presence and the turian ship atempting to go in that direction.

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And the bomb was uncovered. Wrex had spies all over Shepard but not on his own home world and the Turian/Cerberus presence there? That is my whole point. It doesn't matter how long it was hidden. What matters is that once it was uncovered Wrex knew nothing about it cause he was too busy babysitting Shepard and the Genophage cure. Which makes no sense, imo, considering how suspicious he was of the Primarch.

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I cured the genophage, even though Wreav was in charge. Even though I'm aware it is a great risk to take, I wasn't willing to essentially betray the Krogan, even if they would never find out. I understand the point of the Dalatrass in fearing the possible Krogan resurgance, but I side more with Wiks in believing that the future of the Krogan species is not written in stone. We don't know what will happen, and if they will indeed be a threat again. We're not even sure Wreav would actually remain the leader. Now that all Krogan are fertile again, Wreav might as well be kicked out again soon, and I believe the Krogan will first fight eachother for a long while if anything.

That being said, I would advise the Turians and Salarians to prepare for a possible Krogan resurgence and aggression, just to be sure.