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[Br3admax]

double post.

Modifié par Br3ad, 12 janvier 2014 - 02:53 .

[Br3admax]

Wow, I can't even. It's like you just blanked out at the word hero.

[sandalisthemaker]

With no romances in DA:I, it looks like we forumites have no choice but to romance one another. LINDSAY WHERE TEH HELL ARE YOU?!!

[ObserverStatus]

sandalisthemaker wrote...
With no romances in DA:I, it looks like we forumites have no choice but to romance one another. LINDSAY WHERE TEH HELL ARE YOU?!!

Hmm, BSN forumites romancing each other. Why does this scenario sound familiar? 

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

What I implied was that more nuanced thematic storytelling about torment and suffering (PS:T, Mask of the Betrayer), about transhumanism (Deus Ex) or about powerlessness (DA 2) and the like are less common than heroic stories where the good guy beats the evil guy to the joy of all.

I made no mention of quality whatsoever.

I don't see why this is a controversial post. Was it because I said hero?

Modifié par CrustyBot, 12 janvier 2014 - 03:00 .

[David7204]

And thus heroic stories are somehow not "nuanced thematic storytelling." Is that right? They're not as thematically rich.

Modifié par David7204, 12 janvier 2014 - 03:03 .

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

David7204 wrote...

And thus heroic stories are somehow not "nuanced thematic storytelling." Is that right? They're not as thematically rich.

If it's the kind of hero you seem to advocate (attractive, assertive, intelligent, flawless), then yes. Mary Sues don't typically make for nuanced thematic storytelling. 

[David7204]

That's not a Mary Sue, first of all. Secondly, so long as the conflicts are external rather than internal, I see no reason how making the protagonist weaker enhances the narrative potential. And a few reasons why it diminishes it.

Modifié par David7204, 12 janvier 2014 - 03:10 .

[spirosz]

AresKeith wrote...

Yes

[SgtSteel91]

wolfhowwl wrote...

romances were cut?

Be honest.

I was planning on having my Inquisitor have no romances, he's married to his job of leading the Inquisition. So yeah I'll buy the game after reading the boards and seeing if it's worth my money.

Modifié par SgtSteel91, 12 janvier 2014 - 03:11 .

[In Exile]

David7204 wrote...

That's not a Mary Sue, first of all. Secondly, so long as the conflicts are external rather than internal, I see no reason how making the protagonist weaker enhances the narrative potential. And a few reasons why it diminishes it.

Making the protagonist flawless is what removes the external conflict. There's simply no believable threat with a protagonist that incredible. It's why no one goes into, say, Captain America with any sense that the title character is in any danger or that the Red Skull will actually suceed in doing anything that harmful to anyone that isn't a faceless mook or civilian. 

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

David7204 wrote...

That's not a Mary Sue, first of all. Secondly, so long as the conflicts are external rather than internal, I see no reason how making the protagonist weaker enhances the narrative potential. And a few reasons why it diminishes it.

Have fun with your power fantasy, then.

[SlottsMachine]

Hell yeah!!!!



Wait, what was the question?

[Br3admax]

Do you like waifus? Yes or super yes, please take my money BioWare?

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Br3ad wrote...

Do you like waifus? Yes or super yes, please take my money BioWare?

Romance DLC needs to be a thing. 

It means that Romance haters and other assorted misogynists and misanthropists in general can shut their yaps about so-called 'waifus' in their loner RPGs. While Romance fans can customise their Romance experience in order to have their game truly unique.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

No, but I didn't really plan on buying DAI anywho. The romances in DA, especially DA2, weren't that compelling. I like Leliana, and I do like Alistair, but really, that's about it. It's not the end of the world if romance is cut from a game. Hell, KotOR II didn't technically have any romances (though that was more due to a lack of time in development than anything else.)

All that said, I still don't get the hate that romance gets a lot of the time. For some games, like KotOR, it's an essential component to the lore and the story of the game, and very, very well done. I loved Miranda in ME, but otherwise, the romances really weren't compelling. I would have loved to have had her have more of an impact on the story (as I would be fine with other LI's too). I think ME could have benefited from slimming down its amount of LI's (and personally, getting rid of the alien ones), and giving the other ones more content that has more of an impact on the story. Of course, that could also be said for also simply slimming down the number of squadmates in the trilogy.

Dragon Age did a good job in this aspect, though I wasn't a fan of the whole 'every character is player-sexual'.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 12 janvier 2014 - 03:28 .

[saMoorai]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Yes. The romances in DA, especially DA2, weren't that compelling. I like Leliana, and I do like Alistair, but really, that's about it. It's not the end of the world if romance is cut from a game. Hell, KotOR II didn't technically have any romances (though that was more due to a lack of time in development than anything else.)

F*ck you, Kotor 2 didn't have romances. What me and Darth Sion had was special! D':<

[David7204]

In Exile wrote...

Making the protagonist flawless is what removes the external conflict. There's simply no believable threat with a protagonist that incredible. It's why no one goes into, say, Captain America with any sense that the title character is in any danger or that the Red Skull will actually suceed in doing anything that harmful to anyone that isn't a faceless mook or civilian. 

Is that why the ME 3 section is filled with people shrieking that a defeat of the Reapers is impossible without the Crucible, and throwing out countless desperate suggestions of how it might, maybe could possible be done? (None of which would work, by the way.)

No. An Ideal Hero is still just a man. He's not capable of magic.

Modifié par David7204, 12 janvier 2014 - 03:24 .

[dreamgazer]

CrustyBot wrote...

Romance DLC needs to be a thing. 

(laughs)

I love how this essentially turns BioWare into a digital pimp. 

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Sion is a scrub, Kreia is the GOAT GILF.

[Br3admax]

CrustyBot wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Do you like waifus? Yes or super yes, please take my money BioWare?

Romance DLC needs to be a thing. 

It means that Romance haters and other assorted misogynists and misanthropists in general can shut their yaps about so-called 'waifus' in their loner RPGs. While Romance fans can customise their Romance experience in order to have their game truly unique.

Because waifu means bad. I've done romances, not that I actually care. Waifus are when someone gets to the point where they physically want to marry pixles. 

Modifié par Br3ad, 12 janvier 2014 - 03:22 .