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[The Night Mammoth]

Gollum's purpose was to destroy the Ring.

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 13 janvier 2014 - 02:42 .

[Br3admax]

David7204 wrote...

I'll tell you right now that 'purpose' or no, it doesn't come through very strongly considering it was accidental on his part.

Why don't you explain what you think his purpose is?

I was thinking that you only watched the movie and fell asleep half way through the intro sequence and title screen, but now I don't think you even did that.

[DeinonSlayer]

AresKeith wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Most stories make it clear the protagonists are facing a difficult challenge. Mass Effect took it far, far further than Lord of the Rings ever did. Two games, dozens of hours building up how powerful they are. It's not on the same level at all.

As a side note, the ending to the Lord of the Rings would be a lot better without Gollum doing his thing.

No David, just no

What is this I don't even...

[David7204]

I made that comment 40 minutes ago now. I'd be nice to get a proper response instead of the very tedious feigned outrage.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

I made that comment 40 minutes ago now. I'd be nice to get a proper response instead of the very tedious feigned outrage.

Why bother? Nothing is going to change your mind. You're absolutely convinced that you're infallibly right. There's no point trying to argue with you David. It just leads to an 'Elves are always superior' match. You won't listen to reason or logic, you dismiss evidence that goes against you while using uncredible and malleable sources, and you do nothing but insult others while putting yourself and your opinion on a pedestal? Is there any reason your opinions should be taken with any less than a full can of Morton's Salt poured on top of it?

[Seboist]

Br3ad wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I'll tell you right now that 'purpose' or no, it doesn't come through very strongly considering it was accidental on his part.

Why don't you explain what you think his purpose is?

I was thinking that you only watched the movie and fell asleep half way through the intro sequence and title screen, but now I don't think you even did that.

David didn't remember that there was a black hole by the collector base in ME2, it's clear that paying attention isn't his strong point.

[AresKeith]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I made that comment 40 minutes ago now. I'd be nice to get a proper response instead of the very tedious feigned outrage.

Why bother? Nothing is going to change your mind. You're absolutely convinced that you're infallibly right. There's no point trying to argue with you David. It just leads to an 'Elves are always superior' match. You won't listen to reason or logic, you dismiss evidence that goes against you while using uncredible and malleable sources, and you do nothing but insult others while putting yourself and your opinion on a pedestal? Is there any reason your opinions should be taken with any less than a full can of Morton's Salt poured on top of it?

Well the Elves have the Hugo Weaving

[MassivelyEffective0730]

AresKeith wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I made that comment 40 minutes ago now. I'd be nice to get a proper response instead of the very tedious feigned outrage.

Why bother? Nothing is going to change your mind. You're absolutely convinced that you're infallibly right. There's no point trying to argue with you David. It just leads to an 'Elves are always superior' match. You won't listen to reason or logic, you dismiss evidence that goes against you while using uncredible and malleable sources, and you do nothing but insult others while putting yourself and your opinion on a pedestal? Is there any reason your opinions should be taken with any less than a full can of Morton's Salt poured on top of it?

Well the Elves have the Hugo Weaving

And Liv Tyler <3

[Mr.House]

David7204 wrote...

I made that comment 40 minutes ago now. I'd be nice to get a proper response instead of the very tedious feigned outrage.

I see no point. You ignore everything people say to you, unlike say massive who at least listens and thus I have no issue debating aspects with him even if we sometimes get carried away, you don't listen at all and pick and choose. You outright ignore facts, you beleive you're pov and opinion is law and refuse to consider anything else. There's no point arguing with you on anything let alone LotR.

Modifié par Mr.House, 13 janvier 2014 - 03:08 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Mr.House wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I made that comment 40 minutes ago now. I'd be nice to get a proper response instead of the very tedious feigned outrage.

I see no point. You ignore everything people say to you, unlike say massive who at least listens and thus I have no issue debating aspects with him even if we sometimes get carried away, you don't listen at all and pick and choose. You outright ignore facts, you beleive you're pov and opinion is law and refuse to consider anything else. There's no point arguing with you on anything let alone LotR.

I doubt he's read the novels.

Granted, anyone who read the Silmarillion has my respect. That was a hard read.

[DeinonSlayer]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I made that comment 40 minutes ago now. I'd be nice to get a proper response instead of the very tedious feigned outrage.

Why bother? Nothing is going to change your mind. You're absolutely convinced that you're infallibly right. There's no point trying to argue with you David. It just leads to an 'Elves are always superior' match. You won't listen to reason or logic, you dismiss evidence that goes against you while using uncredible and malleable sources, and you do nothing but insult others while putting yourself and your opinion on a pedestal? Is there any reason your opinions should be taken with any less than a full can of Morton's Salt poured on top of it?

[Cainhurst Crow]

Whose feigning outrage? Everyone just seems really irritated at your stuborn and incorrect mentality david, not outraged at your comments.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 13 janvier 2014 - 03:12 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

David7204 wrote...

I made that comment 40 minutes ago now. I'd be nice to get a proper response instead of the very tedious feigned outrage.

Wouldn't it? I guess you'll just have to watch it all again!!  

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Whose feigning outrage? Everyone just seems really irritated at your stuborn and incorrect mentality david, not outraged at your comments.

He's like that mule that denied that Kevin Bacon was in 'Footloose'.

Interestingly enough, there's a Texas joke in there.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 13 janvier 2014 - 03:17 .

[Mr.House]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I made that comment 40 minutes ago now. I'd be nice to get a proper response instead of the very tedious feigned outrage.

I see no point. You ignore everything people say to you, unlike say massive who at least listens and thus I have no issue debating aspects with him even if we sometimes get carried away, you don't listen at all and pick and choose. You outright ignore facts, you beleive you're pov and opinion is law and refuse to consider anything else. There's no point arguing with you on anything let alone LotR.

I doubt he's read the novels.

Granted, anyone who read the Silmarillion has my respect. That was a hard read.

I doubt David even knows what Silmarillion is.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Mr.House wrote...
I doubt David even knows what the Silmarillion is. 

He knows all, due to the power of wikipedia searches and google! And if it's not what he want's it to be, he can change it!

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 13 janvier 2014 - 03:18 .

[David7204]

If Gollum's 'purpose' was redemption, it was a failure. He died as corrupted as ever. If it was 'humans/hobbits are weak' then it's a contradiction and betrayal to the entire story and the point of giving the Ring to a Hobbit in the first place. If it was 'the world is random and crap happens for no reason'...well...same thing.

So yes, it would have been far better if Frodo had actually confronted and overcome the corruption of the Ring. You know, to validate, as I said, the whole point of giving the Ring to a hobbit. That being that the simple Hobbit possesses a power kings and warriors don't.

Modifié par David7204, 13 janvier 2014 - 03:21 .

[DeinonSlayer]

David7204 wrote...

If Gollum's 'purpose' was redemption, it was a failure. He died as corrupted as ever. If it was 'humans are weak' then it's a contradiction and betrayal to the entire story and the point of giving the Ring to a hobbit in the first place. If it was 'the world is random and crap happens for no reason'...well...same thing.

So yes, it would have been far better if Frodo had actually confronted and overcome the corruption of the Ring. You know, to validate, as I said, the whole point of giving the Ring to a hobbit. That being that the simple Hobbit possess a power kings and warriors don't.

What can I say? Frodo forgot his Pimp Juice that morning.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

If Gollum's 'purpose' was redemption, it was a failure. He died as corrupted as ever. If it was 'humans are weak' then it's a contradiction and betrayal to the entire story and the point of giving the Ring to a hobbit in the first place. If it was 'the world is random and crap happens for no reason'...well...same thing.

His purpose wasn't redemption. His purpose was to destroy the ring. It didn't have a morality lesson imbued with it.

Gollum's greed is what saved Middle Earth. Meanwhile, the heroism was nothing more than a distraction to buy as much time as possible for the greedy one to save the day through the power of greed.

I think I've found the source of David's dismissal of LotR. Heroism didn't save the day. Corruption did.

[Obadiah]

I thought Gollum's purpose is to show that evil would destroy itself.

That's just what I got from the movie.

[Mr.House]

David7204 wrote...

If Gollum's 'purpose' was redemption, it was a failure. He died as corrupted as ever. If it was 'humans/hobbits are weak' then it's a contradiction and betrayal to the entire story and the point of giving the Ring to a Hobbit in the first place. If it was 'the world is random and crap happens for no reason'...well...same thing.

So yes, it would have been far better if Frodo had actually confronted and overcome the corruption of the Ring. You know, to validate, as I said, the whole point of giving the Ring to a hobbit. That being that the simple Hobbit possesses a power kings and warriors don't.

You do know Frodo did in fact do that aftert he ring was destroyed? Do you know why Frodo went on the ship? Because his mind and body had to heal. The Ring was far more dangerous then the Reapers ever where, by far and the fact that Frodo did fall shows this. Read the books.

Also as peopel have said it was because of his greed, it was corruption that ended up saving everyone, not heroism or a knight in shining armor. It was a person who had suffered the most from the ring and was corrupted to the point of no return that destroyed the ring. Of course you will say that's stupid because in the end, it was a corrupt being that saved everyone.

Modifié par Mr.House, 13 janvier 2014 - 03:33 .

[David7204]

Not at the climax of the story, he didn't. Not at the point it mattered most. He fell to it. And he was only saved...well...because of luck, honestly. Luck and nothing else.

Modifié par David7204, 13 janvier 2014 - 03:27 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Obadiah wrote...

I thought Gollum's purpose is to show that evil would destroy itself.

That's just what I got from the movie.

That kind of iterates my point.

Gollum's lust and greed succeeded where Frodo's virtue failed.

That said, if Sauron got the ring back, the only option left for Middle Earth would pretty much be for the Valar to smite it once all the elves left.

And still, all that trouble could have been averted if they just used the eagles... or let Boromir have his catapult.

[AresKeith]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

He's like that mule that denied that Kevin Bacon was in 'Footloose'.

That helped me take him serious in X-men: First Class

[AresKeith]

David have you read or seen The Hobbit books/movies?