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[David7204]

I've both read the Hobbit and seen the films.

[Obadiah]

David7204 wrote...

Not at the climax of the story, he didn't. Not at the point it mattered most. He fell to it. And he was only saved...well...because of luck, honestly. Luck and nothing else.

Well, luck at the last minute, but victory wouldn't have been possible if Frodo hadn't gotten the ring to where it was. So, lotta effort and some luck.

Modifié par Obadiah, 13 janvier 2014 - 03:35 .

[Mr.House]

Obadiah wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Not at the climax of the story, he didn't. Not at the point it mattered most. He fell to it. And he was only saved...well...because of luck, honestly. Luck and nothing else.

Well, luck at the last minute, but victory wouldn't have been possible if Frodo hadn't gotten the ring to where it was. So, lotta effort and some luck.

The fact that Frodo even made it to Mordor was a feat in itself.

[Cainhurst Crow]

David7204 wrote...

If Gollum's 'purpose' was redemption, it was a failure. He died as corrupted as ever. If it was 'humans/hobbits are weak' then it's a contradiction and betrayal to the entire story and the point of giving the Ring to a Hobbit in the first place. If it was 'the world is random and crap happens for no reason'...well...same thing.

So yes, it would have been far better if Frodo had actually confronted and overcome the corruption of the Ring. You know, to validate, as I said, the whole point of giving the Ring to a hobbit. That being that the simple Hobbit possesses a power kings and warriors don't.

Don't you at least see the beauty in gollum finally getting his wish of having the precious, and that his getting it is what lead to it's destruction?

[MattFini]

If ME3 didn't end on such a sour note (beginning with the lazy and bland Priority: Earth), I feel like most people would've let the flaws go.

There was plenty to nitpick along the way, but the fantastic moments really overshadowed them for me - until P:E at least, which just gets worse with each replay.

[David7204]

I can appreciate it leading to his destruction. But not the Ring's, no.

[o Ventus]

David7204 wrote...

I can appreciate it leading to his destruction. But not the Ring's, no.

And why is this?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

I can appreciate it leading to his destruction. But not the Ring's, no.

Because heroism and virtue must always be rewarded right? 

Tolkein disagrees. He was a soldier in the First World War, an Officer, and he saw first hand what 'heroism' lead to.

He was utterly disgusted by it.

[David7204]

Because. as was pointed out, it pushes a theme of "Evil takes care of itself." Which is nonsensical and completely against the rest of the book. If evil took care of itself, Frodo should have just dumped the Ring and led a comfortable life in the Shire. It was pointed out several times that such a thing wasn't an option.

Modifié par David7204, 13 janvier 2014 - 03:57 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

Because. as was pointed out, it pushes a theme of "Evil takes care of itself." Which is nonsensical and completely against the rest of the book. If evil took care of itself, Frodo should have just dumped the ring and led a comfortable life in the Shire. It was pointed out several times that such a thing wasn't an option.

One evil isn't the same as another. This is a slippery slope appeal to ridicule. 

It's a tale of how the best laid plans can go awry, and how success comes from the least likely of places.

[Cainhurst Crow]

tbh I always took it as even the most evil of things can produce some twisted form of good, and that pivotal deeds can come from the most unexpected of sources. Sorta the same reasoning behind gandulf giving the ring to frodo to bear.

[Argentoid]

IntoTheDarkness wrote...

ME3 is probably the worst written story I've seen in recent RPGs. Some fans criticize ME3 DLC citadel for being out-of-mind, but from my perspectives, the whole game is insane and reeks of so many flaws and holes in its story and writings.

Bioware simply needs competant writers to make better games.

I would have taken you seriously if you first off stated that  ME2 was also as badly written as ME3. But noooo, you just found it out with ME3. So smart, much intelligence.

Dude, you can find this "bad writing" in ME1 too.

[Almostfaceman]

The pity of Bilbo ruled the fate of many. More than the forces of evil were at work when it came to the destruction of the Ring.

[AresKeith]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Because. as was pointed out, it pushes a theme of "Evil takes care of itself." Which is nonsensical and completely against the rest of the book. If evil took care of itself, Frodo should have just dumped the ring and led a comfortable life in the Shire. It was pointed out several times that such a thing wasn't an option.

One evil isn't the same as another. This is a slippery slope appeal to ridicule. 

It's a tale of how the best laid plans can go awry, and how success comes from the least likely of places.

We should also thank Bilbo for showing pity to Gollum

[Argentoid]

NeonFlux117 wrote...

Just go play ME2. It's easily the best game BioWare has ever done and will ever do.

If you need a Mass Effect and Shepard fix, when in doubt fire up ME2.

I have a hard time completing ME3.... I get to the citadel DLC in my playthroughs and just stop.

And yet.... I can't wait to play the suicide mission like for the bazillioneth time.

Same with going to Ilos and Battle of Citadel.

ME1 and ME2 are masterpieces. From Start to finish.

But ME3 writing is cringe worthy and the established lore of ME2 and ME1 was either ignored or completely glossed over with retcons I guess????

Here's one that's kinda important.....

Sovereigns barriers were only lowered because of Shepard fighting and defeating Saren/sovereing minion. This is turn lowered the barrier for Sovereing for the fleets. Sovereing was allocating a lot of power into controlling and rezzing Saren back to life.

Reaper barriers cannot be defeated by dreadnought fire....

As is re-established in ME2 by EDI during the IFF relay. When the Reaper puts up it's kinetic barriers.

Shepard- "just blast us out"

EDI say's reaper barriers cannot be pierced.... Even by dreadnought fire. Even if you have upgraded the normandy to Thanix cannon weapon system....

Now, go tell ME3's lore and dreadnoughts that, lol.

The writing in ME3 is bad... Mostly because Mac Walters and the absence of Drew K.

Pretty simple really.

And you. Stop doing drugs.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

tbh I always took it as even the most evil of things can produce some twisted form of good, and that pivotal deeds can come from the most unexpected of sources. Sorta the same reasoning behind gandulf giving the ring to frodo to bear.

Also why Gandalf didn't unleash his power on Sauron. He was forbidden from using his true power against him in his weakened state. Not that the Valar were trying to have Men learn any valuable lesson or anything, just that Gandalf's power would devestate Middle Earth. Even if he meant well, it would end up like Beleriand when the Valar intervened against Melkor. They were simply too powerful, and did more harm than benefit.

[AresKeith]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

tbh I always took it as even the most evil of things can produce some twisted form of good, and that pivotal deeds can come from the most unexpected of sources. Sorta the same reasoning behind gandulf giving the ring to frodo to bear.

Also why Gandalf didn't unleash his power on Sauron. He was forbidden from using his true power against him in his weakened state. Not that the Valar were trying to have Men learn any valuable lesson or anything, just that Gandalf's power would devestate Middle Earth. Even if he meant well, it would end up like Beleriand when the Valar intervened against Melkor. They were simply too powerful, and did more harm than benefit.

Every mage and magic user should aspire to become Gandalf

[David7204]

As I pointed out earlier, a theme of 'Random crap happens' is just as inconsistent with the rest of the story as the other possible 'themes.'

So no, that doesn't cut it.

Modifié par David7204, 13 janvier 2014 - 04:08 .

[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

As I pointed out earlier, a theme of 'Random crap happens' is just as inconsistent with the rest of the story as the other possible 'themes.'

So no, that doesn't cut it.

Maybe you should stop trying to rely on themes then

[Obadiah]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Because. as was pointed out, it pushes a theme of "Evil takes care of itself." Which is nonsensical and completely against the rest of the book. If evil took care of itself, Frodo should have just dumped the ring and led a comfortable life in the Shire. It was pointed out several times that such a thing wasn't an option.

One evil isn't the same as another. This is a slippery slope appeal to ridicule. 

It's a tale of how the best laid plans can go awry, and how success comes from the least likely of places.

In addition, though the story has a theme of "evil is self-destructive", if you don't do anything about evil, before it destroys itself,evil will bring about a lot of suffering. That's why the heros still have to try to stop evil.

Modifié par Obadiah, 13 janvier 2014 - 04:09 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Everyone should really show David the same "consideration" he shows his fellow man.

[dreamgazer]

(blinks)

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Obadiah wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Because. as was pointed out, it pushes a theme of "Evil takes care of itself." Which is nonsensical and completely against the rest of the book. If evil took care of itself, Frodo should have just dumped the ring and led a comfortable life in the Shire. It was pointed out several times that such a thing wasn't an option.

One evil isn't the same as another. This is a slippery slope appeal to ridicule. 

It's a tale of how the best laid plans can go awry, and how success comes from the least likely of places.

In addition, though the story has a theme of "evil is self-destructive", if you don't do anything about evil, before it destroys itself,evil will bring about a lot of suffering. That's why the heros still have to try to stop evil.

Well, to be honest, Sauron wasn't going to be getting into anything self-destructive. If he got the ring, the only way he was going to be brought down again was if the Valar themselves intervened.

[DeinonSlayer]

AresKeith wrote...

David7204 wrote...

As I pointed out earlier, a theme of 'Random crap happens' is just as inconsistent with the rest of the story as the other possible 'themes.'

So no, that doesn't cut it.

Maybe you should stop trying to rely on themes then

That's like telling water not to be wet. I don't think David knows what to do with a character who doesn't rigidly conform to an archetype he recognizes.

[AresKeith]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

David7204 wrote...

As I pointed out earlier, a theme of 'Random crap happens' is just as inconsistent with the rest of the story as the other possible 'themes.'

So no, that doesn't cut it.

Maybe you should stop trying to rely on themes then

That's like telling water not to be wet. I don't think David knows what to do with a character who doesn't rigidly conform to an archetype he recognizes.

He'd hate the Metal Gear series