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[Last Darkness]

I want to have hardened Alistair as King and married to Anora with Loghain consripted to the Wardens.
 
Then when Morrigan offers the Ritual can you have Alistair do it instead of you/Loghain?

*Edited*

Modifié par Last Darkness, 12 janvier 2014 - 09:18 .

[dainbramage]

Yes to the first part, no to the second.

[Secretlyapotato]

Alistair can only do it if Loghain's dead.

[sylvanaerie]

Sorry, you lost any chance Alistair will speak civilly to you, or entertain any of your 'good ideas' by letting Loghain live. You want the DR done, you're going either have to do it yourself (if male) or make Loghain do it.

The one time I made Loghain a GW, I entertained three ending options with him, forcing him to do the DR even though I was male, so I could see what he had to say in the Post Coronation chambers, and another where i watched the final conversation with him before slaying Archie wIth the US ending and the Redemption endings.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 12 janvier 2014 - 12:29 .

[Jedimaster88]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Sorry, you lost any chance Alistair will speak civilly to you, or entertain any of your 'good ideas' by letting Loghain live. You want the DR done, you're going either have to do it yourself (if male) or make Loghain do it.

The one time I made Loghain a GW, I entertained three ending options with him, forcing him to do the DR even though I was male, so I could see what he had to say in the Post Coronation chambers, and another where i watched the final conversation with him before slaying Archie wIth the US ending and the Redemption endings.

Does Loghain mention anything about the ritual in the end if he does it?

The idea of Loghain of all people doing the ritual feels just so.....wrong in every possible way. Never an option in my playthroughs. Only death for him in the landsmeet.

[Ferretinabun]

Jedimaster88 wrote...

Does Loghain mention anything about the ritual in the end if he does it?

He does, though it is bugged (at least, it was initially). Even he performs the Dark Ritual, he is still puzzled and questions how both Grey Wardens survived. 

For the PC, however, TerraEx fixed this in his/her Morrigan Restoration Patch

http://www.nexusmods...age/mods/1120/?

It may be fixed in other mods too. For all I know it may have been fixed in one of the official patches, though I doubt it considering how many dialogue flag errors there were and how few ever did get officially fixed...

[Mike3207]

The one thing that struck me when I did the Dark Ritual with him-Loghain was concerned about the succession issues more than anything else. It's a second Mac Tir Child, and can possibly put in a claim for the throne and/or Gwaren. I think it's doubtful there will be a child in the royal succession, so the OGB may be the only one who can take the throne in the next generation.

[Jedimaster88]

Ferretinabun wrote...

Jedimaster88 wrote...

Does Loghain mention anything about the ritual in the end if he does it?

He does, though it is bugged (at least, it was initially). Even he performs the Dark Ritual, he is still puzzled and questions how both Grey Wardens survived. 

For the PC, however, TerraEx fixed this in his/her Morrigan Restoration Patch

http://www.nexusmods...age/mods/1120/?

It may be fixed in other mods too. For all I know it may have been fixed in one of the official patches, though I doubt it considering how many dialogue flag errors there were and how few ever did get officially fixed...

After all the fixes and stuff, what does he actually say? Is he feeling that it was a mistake or something?

I´ve read that like Alistair, he isnt eager to do it.

[sylvanaerie]

Jedimaster88 wrote...

Ferretinabun wrote...

Jedimaster88 wrote...

Does Loghain mention anything about the ritual in the end if he does it?

He does, though it is bugged (at least, it was initially). Even he performs the Dark Ritual, he is still puzzled and questions how both Grey Wardens survived. 

For the PC, however, TerraEx fixed this in his/her Morrigan Restoration Patch

http://www.nexusmods...age/mods/1120/?

It may be fixed in other mods too. For all I know it may have been fixed in one of the official patches, though I doubt it considering how many dialogue flag errors there were and how few ever did get officially fixed...

After all the fixes and stuff, what does he actually say? Is he feeling that it was a mistake or something?

I´ve read that like Alistair, he isnt eager to do it.

He isn't.  He actually begs you not to make him do it.  But my Cousland was with Leliana (had ONLY slept with Leliana, turned down Morrigan when she asked 'if there was ever any chance...' and didn't even flirt with Iona in the origin story).  He wasn't about to cheat on her in the last hours before battle, but didn't want to die, and had no guarantee this would either work OR that Loghain or Riordan would be present to make the final blow.  He wasn't going to be king, so the whole 'ruler with a mistress' wasn't in his future either.  And I wanted to see what he had to say in the post coronation chambers.

So he told Loghain to 'suck it up and do it'. Morrigan has a pretty funny line when he mentions he'll just be imagining his dead wife instead of her while he's doing it.

Then after finishing I backed up my game, told Morrigan to 'take a hike' and finished with the other two endings so I could see Anora's eulogy (it's pretty nice) and see what the companions had to say about Loghain's death (if they ignored it as much as Alistair's).  They do.

I really hated the "Redemption" and "Warden Commander" endings.  Bioware totally dropped the ball with that one. 

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 14 janvier 2014 - 08:35 .

[Ferretinabun]

Jedimaster88 wrote...

After all the fixes and stuff, what does he actually say?

WITHOUT Fixes:



Watch about 10 minutes in.

Sorry, I don't have the dialogue WITH fixes. But presumably it's only the first line or two that is different. 

And here is Loghain being persuaded to do the DR in the first place:

[Jedimaster88]

Ferretinabun wrote...

Jedimaster88 wrote...

After all the fixes and stuff, what does he actually say?

WITHOUT Fixes:



Watch about 10 minutes in.

Sorry, I don't have the dialogue WITH fixes. But presumably it's only the first line or two that is different. 

And here is Loghain being persuaded to do the DR in the first place:

Well I just watched the persuasion video. It confirmed what I said earlier. Feels absolutely wrong in every possible way. Not going to happen in my future playthroughs. It wont be an option.

I dont know if Im the only one thinking this way, but I´ve kinda always thought that it should be the warden doing the ritual if someone has to do it. Once tried the persuasion dialogue with Alistair and it felt horrible. I finally gave up and Alistair was VERY relieved about it.

I know that with a female character you dont have other choice. Because of this I havent played with a female character myself ever. I just cant bring myself to force someone else to do it.

Bit out of topic but I wish there would be an option to tell Leliana/ Zevran about the ritual and see what they would say about it if romanced. I dont like the idea of my wardens keeping it as their dirty little secret.

Modifié par Jedimaster88, 14 janvier 2014 - 08:02 .

[Last Darkness]

Thanks for the info, was planing my true grey warden path through the game (Picking only options that helped end the blight faster) and was thinking of doing a female warden.

I wanted to see if I could tag on Alistairs bloodline to the child (If you read the comics you know why)

I'll make my Warden a male instead.

[Corker]

Jedimaster88 wrote...
Once tried the persuasion dialogue with Alistair and it felt horrible.

Eyup.

For my money, a Warden who'd like to have the DR done but can't/won't, who has to decide whether or not to push Alistair/Loghain into it, is the legit 'hard choice' of the game. 

The DR itself smacks more of melodrama, since Morrigan refuses to discuss the likely consequences of the Old God Baby.  You're weighing a certainty (Warden death) versus an unknown (possible OGB troubles), and that's apples and oranges.

But making the moral decision whether or not to coerce someone into a magic sex ritual - that's drama without the melo-, IMO.  You have everything you need to know to make this decision, and you just have to make it.  Which doesn't mean it's easy.

[Jedimaster88]

Corker wrote...

Jedimaster88 wrote...
Once tried the persuasion dialogue with Alistair and it felt horrible.

Eyup.

For my money, a Warden who'd like to have the DR done but can't/won't, who has to decide whether or not to push Alistair/Loghain into it, is the legit 'hard choice' of the game. 

The DR itself smacks more of melodrama, since Morrigan refuses to discuss the likely consequences of the Old God Baby.  You're weighing a certainty (Warden death) versus an unknown (possible OGB troubles), and that's apples and oranges.

But making the moral decision whether or not to coerce someone into a magic sex ritual - that's drama without the melo-, IMO.  You have everything you need to know to make this decision, and you just have to make it.  Which doesn't mean it's easy.

There is also the fact that your fellow warden is going to have to live with it afterwards. Not only is he having sex with a person he absolutely hates or at least dislikes, he is also having a child with that person. Not a nice thing to live with I imagine.  Im pretty sure that the ritual will leave some kind of scars to Alistair/Loghain if they do it. Only time will tell if those scars are shown in DA: I if they are in it.

Loghain may even be dead during the next game. At least some people speculate that he is already so old that the taint will propably kill him soon.

Alistair on the other hand has many years ahead unless something unexpected happens. Will he be the same person we remember or something totally different...

[Angrywolves]

You're making way too much out of it.

For a young guy it's sex with Morrigan a beautiful young woman. NO coercion required there.

For Alistair, for all his she a malificar talk I doubt he minds it as much as he says.Most young men his age can't wait for sex and want it and doing it with a beautiful young woman makes it all the sweeter.

Don't know about Loghain since I hate him and always kill him.

[Corker]

And next up on damaging social stereotypes: Did You See How She Was Dressed, Obviously She Wanted It.

Alistair and Loghain both pretty clearly Do Not Want, and if the Warden backs down, they don't go through with it. Even the young guy.

[Angrywolves]

You're entitlted to your opinion.I do think Alistair wanted it.I just said he did.He just didn't want to admit it.Loghain, well he doesn't matter as he deserves to die for his crimes.Rotfl.

Dressed has nothing to do with it. It's raging hormones.Simple.:innocent:

Modifié par Angrywolves, 16 janvier 2014 - 12:35 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Simple-minded, maybe.

[Corker]

Angrywolves wrote...
Dressed has nothing to do with it. It's raging hormones.Simple.:innocent:

*sigh*

"How she was dressed" is a reference to a common line of attack against the testimony of women alleging sexual assault.  It's one of many logical fallacies employed when discussing sex and consent, and like all of them it's harmful.

Your assertion that all men want sex all the time, especially from any conventionally attractive vagina-possessing entity in the vicinity, is another such fallacy.  

Both of them assume a consent that was not actually given.  Predators use such fallacies to justify their actions to themselves and others.  "He wanted it. She wanted it.  They didn't have to say it, I knew it just by looking at them."

This is a real thing that happens in the real world to real people.  If nobody got hurt, then sure, haha, it's a joke.  But people do get hurt, and then the people who do the hurting get to walk away without repercussion, because other people believe this hooey.

Since you're trolling, I don't expect you to actually stop, but I am going to call this BS when I see it.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Based on Angrywolves' past post in this thread, it seems he believes all young men are like him when he was that age.

[Angrywolves]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Based on Angrywolves' past post in this thread, it seems he believes all young men are like him when he was that age.

Not like me but like young men in general.
I would guess some people who don't agree aren't males at all.

But whatever. If some players didn't like the ritual, consider it inappropriate, sexist or whatever, then don't do it.It's not required to finish the game.<_<

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Angrywolves wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Based on Angrywolves' past post in this thread, it seems he believes all young men are like him when he was that age.

I would guess some people who don't agree aren't males at all.

Guilty in Corker and Shadow's cases, not so much in mine.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 17 janvier 2014 - 12:07 .

[Angrywolves]

says you.

I don't really care.I know typical male behavior, Why I was mentioned as feeling that way I don't know.Probably out of spite.

As it is, if players don't like the ritual they don't have to do it.

To quote a mod:

End of Line.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

You know someone's losing a discussion when they play both a 'So you say' and 'I'm outta here' cards in one post.

[Angrywolves]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

You know someone's losing a discussion when they play both a 'So you say' and 'I'm outta here' cards in one post.

Didn't lose anything.Not worth arguing about.It wouldn't settle anything.Friend:P.