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Ashley sucks in ME3

Débuté par Sir Arun , janv. 12 2014 12:24

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Posté 12 janvier 2014 - 08:35

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Certainly. But thinking that BioWare would deliberately set out to do that for a central character is just folly. All the more so if the reason given is "To not upset fans."

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Posté 12 janvier 2014 - 08:35

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TheChris92 wrote...

Not being written by one of the most competent writers amongst the Mass Effect team, Chris L'Etoile, seems to have had an effect on that process.


^ THis too

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Posté 12 janvier 2014 - 08:38

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David7204 wrote...

Certainly. But thinking that BioWare would deliberately set out to do that for a central character is just folly. All the more so if the reason given is "To not upset fans."


Do you think that the more controversial aspects of her character weren't covered in ME3 because they were controversial or simply because they were already covered?

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Posté 12 janvier 2014 - 08:41

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'Controversial' is a bit of a weasel word there. If I say yes, it makes it sounds like BioWare wrote it up, but didn't put it in because they chickened out and were too afraid to face fan's opinions.

I think it was left out because they weren't happy with it. Simple as that.

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Posté 12 janvier 2014 - 08:45

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Fair enough. All I meant by controversial was topics that are constantly debated and that have no real consensus within the fanbase, such as Ashley openly discussing her religion or her distrust of aliens.

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Posté 12 janvier 2014 - 08:46

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spirosz wrote...

David7204 wrote...

spirosz wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Yes. BioWare intentionally 'kept the VS boring' because they didn't want to upset fans. That's rock solid BSN logic right there.


Yes, you can create boring characters not try to trend on "certain" topics that the character might bring up.

Or...you can create interesting characters that simply don't address issues you'd prefer not to have addressed.

This is bordering on conspiracy. Very silly.


Or... you can create boring characters. It's the same thing, either works.


Eats up a lot less resources, too.

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Posté 12 janvier 2014 - 08:46

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The Mad Hanar wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Certainly. But thinking that BioWare would deliberately set out to do that for a central character is just folly. All the more so if the reason given is "To not upset fans."


Do you think that the more controversial aspects of her character weren't covered in ME3 because they were controversial or simply because they were already covered?


It's due to change of writers +  her having an interchangable role with Kaidan.

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Posté 12 janvier 2014 - 08:47

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dreamgazer wrote...

Things are the way they are in regards to the story because they wanted them like this.


Arguable, at best. All we know is what they settled for in the time that they had. If they went into the project knowing they had more time, it's possible they could have explored more possibilities. 

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Posté 12 janvier 2014 - 08:47

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I can understand taking the religious stuff out, but the human pride thing seemed so central, not only to her character, but to a lot of the conflict throughout the series. It got too black n white for it's own good. Council friendly on one end, Cerberus the other.. when there are a lot more complicated elements in between. Ashley was one of them, but not nearly the only one.

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Posté 12 janvier 2014 - 08:48

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For the record, I don't particularly like the idea of the scene with Ashley and Shepard myself. I don't like the idea that Shepard is able to 'choose' whether she 'saw a light' or not. She shouldn't be able to do so.

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Posté 12 janvier 2014 - 08:50

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Why not? It's not like traumatizing events don't cause people to see things in our own world? Are real life fighter pilots deciding if God exists or not when they go through a few extra Gs? Try harder, David. A lot harder.

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Posté 12 janvier 2014 - 08:50

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Yeah, I felt like that scenario was awkwardly written too. I wouldn't have really enjoyed it if it made it into the game.

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Posté 12 janvier 2014 - 08:50

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I really dodged a bullet by saving Kaidan.

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Posté 12 janvier 2014 - 08:52

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Seboist wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Certainly. But thinking that BioWare would deliberately set out to do that for a central character is just folly. All the more so if the reason given is "To not upset fans."


Do you think that the more controversial aspects of her character weren't covered in ME3 because they were controversial or simply because they were already covered?


It's due to change of writers +  her having an interchangable role with Kaidan.


Indeed, though it's also rather curious because Kaidan had a more substantive role in the story in my opinion.

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Posté 12 janvier 2014 - 08:52

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dreamgazer wrote...

I think they allowed the character to change in response to the events she's experienced, and the experience of the Reaper invasion in general.


I agree with this. 

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Posté 12 janvier 2014 - 08:52

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Br3ad wrote...

Why not? It's not like traumatizing events don't cause people to see things in our own world? Are real life fighter pilots deciding if God exists or not when they go through a few extra Gs? Try harder, David. A lot harder.

You can choose your perspective on the evidence. (Well, not really, but that's beside the point.)

You never get to choose the evidence. In such a conversation, the player is basically choosing whether heaven or whatever actually exists or not. Doesn't work that way. You're given the evidence. You don't get to choose it.

Modifié par David7204, 12 janvier 2014 - 08:55 .

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Posté 12 janvier 2014 - 08:53

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Is it just me (aka I missed something / did something wrong) or is Ashley the most bland and boring squadmate in Mass Effect 3?

It's not just you. The "Extreme" makeover wasn't the only thing making it difficult to like Ashley in ME3.

On Mars she talked about not trusting me due to Cerberus, and then perhaps one more time aboard the Normandy about her not being sure and needing time, and of course the conversation during her hospital time, but thats it.

I liked the parts in the hospital, but the former felt contrived and wasn't worth the effort.

The fierce tempered, almost Michelle Rodriguez kinda Ash is gone. Replaced by a sedated new character with girly hair and just looking pretty, but completely soulless on the inside.

At least we'll have the good times, I guess. Ashley in ME3 wasn't without merit, but I favored Liara and Garrus' parts in terms of Previously-Established Squadmate Dialogue.

Modifié par DominusVita, 12 janvier 2014 - 08:56 .

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Posté 12 janvier 2014 - 08:54

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MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Certainly. But thinking that BioWare would deliberately set out to do that for a central character is just folly. All the more so if the reason given is "To not upset fans."


Do you think that the more controversial aspects of her character weren't covered in ME3 because they were controversial or simply because they were already covered?


It's due to change of writers +  her having an interchangable role with Kaidan.


Indeed, though it's also rather curious because Kaidan had a more substantive role in the story in my opinion.


What makes you say that? I know he has an extra scene or two, but his role doesn't seem much different.

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Posté 12 janvier 2014 - 08:56

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David7204 wrote...

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Why not? It's not like traumatizing events don't cause people to see things in our own world? Are real life fighter pilots deciding if God exists or not when they go through a few extra Gs? Try harder, David. A lot harder.

You can choose your perspective on the evidence. (Well, not really, but that's beside the point.)

You never get to choose the evidence. In such a conversation, the player is basically choosing whether heaven or whatever actually exists or not. Doesn't work that way.

No they aren't. And considering the two years Shepard spent being a litteral meatbag, there are all kinds of scientific explanations for any response. it would no doubt have been badly written, but it would never make Shepard be a deciding factor in anything. 

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Posté 12 janvier 2014 - 11:13

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tickle267 wrote...

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She sucks in ME1, ME2, and ME3, though for entirely different reasons.


given that your Shepard romanced her in ME1 I can only imagine how she sucked...


I always romance her in ME1, even though I don't particularly care for Ashley. It's called roleplaying.

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Posté 12 janvier 2014 - 11:33

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What made me laugh were some of the camera angles in the hospital which basically just showed off her newly acquired massive rack. Combine that with Miranda's arse shots and EDI's cameltoe, you wonder whether Bioware is populated by 14yr old boys.
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#97
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Posté 13 janvier 2014 - 12:16

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von uber wrote...

What made me laugh were some of the camera angles in the hospital which basically just showed off her newly acquired massive rack. Combine that with Miranda's arse shots and EDI's cameltoe, you wonder whether Bioware is populated by 14yr old boys.


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I know, right?

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Posté 13 janvier 2014 - 12:20

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Says the guy whose go to card is Champers feeding Shepard's fish in more ways than one.

Modifié par Br3ad, 13 janvier 2014 - 12:21 .

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Posté 13 janvier 2014 - 12:21

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Br3ad wrote...

Says the guy whos go to card is Champers feeding Shepard's fish in more ways than one.


Guess where that outfit came from?

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Posté 13 janvier 2014 - 12:25

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dreamgazer wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Says the guy whos go to card is Champers feeding Shepard's fish in more ways than one.


Guess where that outfit came from?

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AAA grade characterization right there.

Modifié par ImaginaryMatter, 13 janvier 2014 - 12:25 .

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