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[Mike-o]

I'm pretty lame when it comes to creating character builds (I blame lots of mechanics that are not explained in-game. Or that I'm simply stupid), so I'd love you guys to help me out if you feel like it. Keep in mind that I'm a newb that isn't good enough to try Gold or Platinum matches yet, so neither my skills nor available gear are great.

1st - Vorcha Soldier. I really like that class, and I'd like you guys to help me create a viable build that involves Flamer. I love that toy, which allows me to fry groups of mobs or single elite mobs with ease. Any tips on such build? Should I use Bloodlust, or forget about it? What guns go well with that build?

2nd - Human Soldier. I know that Human Soldier is an underpowered class (like many Soldier classes, from what I heard), but I like him. I'd love to have a build that involves both Concussion shots and Frag Grenades. Is that a possibility? I already know that best weapons for Soldiers are assault rifles, especially semi-automatic ones. I'm running Vindicator right now, waiting until I level Mattock.

3rd - Krogan Warlord. I grew very fond of this class. It seems playing a melee class in multi works well for me. I love it how Krogan Warlord allows me to make some degree of mistakes and still get my ass alive out of the fray due to his HP and shield, and how I one-two shot every lesser mob. Which Hammer should I choose, or should I run with both? Should I care about weight? Use shotgun with bayonet, or go for some other weapon?

I've also got a more general question. Which is more beneficial to me, a new player - buying Spectre bundles, or saving for better ones? I've saved up for a few Reserve packs, since I very much want an N7 Destroyer and N7 Paladin classes to try out, but it's biting my supplies, particulary medi-gel is low.

To anyone who cares to answer even some of these questions, thanks! Much love.

[Jaded4Chaos]

What's your gamer ID and system so we can see your available weapons.

[RedJohn]

2nd - Human Soldier. I know that Human Soldier is an underpowered class (like many Soldier classes, from what I heard), but I like him. I'd love to have a build that involves both Concussion shots and Frag Grenades. Is that a possibility? I already know that best weapons for Soldiers are assault rifles, especially semi-automatic ones. I'm running Vindicator right now, waiting until I level Mattock.

Underpowered?, is one of the best weapon plattforms in the game, its grenades are not so special but they kill mobs decently fine. You can do what I did, spec 1 for grenades and totally power based, and the other one purely for weapons ( without nades ), of course you can make a mix up between weapon and power but in my personal case i find the weapon build very very powerful by its own.

[Mike-o]

Uhm... if you mean my Origin nickname, it's Selmair. System... Windows 7? PC?

Modifié par Mike-o, 12 janvier 2014 - 06:08 .

[RedJohn]

3rd - Krogan Warlord. I grew very fond of this class. It seems playing a melee class in multi works well for me. I love it how Krogan Warlord allows me to make some degree of mistakes and still get my ass alive out of the fray due to his HP and shield, and how I one-two shot every lesser mob. Which Hammer should I choose, or should I run with both? Should I care about weight? Use shotgun with bayonet, or go for some other weapon?

The chose of the hammer depends more on your gameplay, for me I only take Biotic Hammer because explosions and its huge power.

I've also got a more general question. Which is more beneficial to me, a new player - buying Spectre bundles, or saving for better ones? I've saved up for a few Reserve packs, since I very much want an N7 Destroyer and N7 Paladin classes to try out, but it's biting my supplies, particulary medi-gel is low.

I'd recomend to buy 99k packs, rares granted and higher chance to get Ultra rares

Also, if you are on PC, feel free to add me, my origin ID is Red-John1270

On what difficulty you play on?

[Wizard of Ox]

Mike-o wrote...
I know that Human Soldier is an underpowered class (like many Soldier classes, from what I heard)

This is a joke, right? 

Mike-o wrote...
I already know that best weapons for Soldiers are assault rifles, especially semi-automatic ones.

Nope. 

Mike-o wrote...
I'd love to have a build that involves both Concussion shots and Frag Grenades. Is that a possibility?

It is, but you'll have to spec out of some fitness (preferably all of it). Best builds are, imo, the CS-less and AR-less ones. 

[GodLovesATrier]

1) Here's a build. Use the flamer to "warm" groups of enemies up (activate it briefly) and then use carnage to detonate a powerful fire explosion. Weapons that work well with him are acolyte, adas, talon, wraith, good ammo to use would be phasics or disruptor as you are only really weak against shields.

http://narida.pytalh...cha/POIIF//////

2) Human soldier is actually very good. As you have two human soldiers you can build one with concussive shot and the other with grenades or you can try a hybrid build. Remember adrenaline rush can be evolved to restore shields so it's a useful panic heal-me button. Here's a hybrid build:

http://narida.pytalh...man/QPQFF//////

3) I can't really offer much on this class as I'm hopeless with it.

I would try and buy packs of a cost that you can afford one after each game you complete. Here's a strategy, buy recruit packs until your common weapons are at X, by this stage you should have made good progress on your common weapon mods. Then buy recruit packs to make progress on silver weapons and again weapon mods (which offer a very beneficial upgrade believe me). As time goes on you will approach X level on silver weapons then you should switch to buying spectre packs you will probably be playing gold games and making 80k credits/match by this point.

If you have a mic and reveal your id I'm sure that plenty of people on your platform including myself would be willing to help you in-game and answer any questions you have.

Modifié par Reviving, 12 janvier 2014 - 06:15 .

[Mike-o]

[quote]Mike-o wrote...
I know that Human Soldier is an underpowered class (like many Soldier classes, from what I heard)
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This is a joke, right? 

[quote]Mike-o wrote...
I already know that best weapons for Soldiers are assault rifles, especially semi-automatic ones.
[/quote]

Nope. 

[quote]Mike-o wrote...
I'd love to have a build that involves both Concussion shots and Frag Grenades. Is that a possibility?
[/quote]

It is, but you'll have to spec out of some fitness (preferably all of it). Best builds are, imo, the CS-less and AR-less ones. 
[/quote]

So they aren't underpowered? Well, that's good ^^. As for weapons, I like assault rifles. I like how they give you a margin of error, and don't force to make every shot count (not much of a sniper). On my Vorcha Soldier, I'm using Phaeston, and it's working quite well. Automatic AR's didn't work out for me on Human Soldier, though.

[Mike-o]

Here's a strategy, buy recruit packs until your common weapons are at X, by this stage you should have made good progress on your common weapon mods. Then buy recruit packs to make progress on silver weapons and again weapon mods (which offer a very beneficial upgrade believe me).

Wait a minute. I thought that Recruit bundles only hold upgrades of 1st tier weapons. Unless you meant Spectre bundles. These are what I can afford after a won match right now.

As for Vorcha Soldier - so using Flamer's full lenght isn't the best strategy, right? Unless used against elite mobs?

Modifié par Mike-o, 12 janvier 2014 - 06:24 .

[RedJohn]

KroGan_eRRanT wrote...


It is, but you'll have to spec out of some fitness (preferably all of it). Best builds are, imo, the CS-less and AR-less ones. 

Don't listen to this man.

[RedJohn]

Mike-o wrote...

Here's a strategy, buy recruit packs until your common weapons are at X, by this stage you should have made good progress on your common weapon mods. Then buy recruit packs to make progress on silver weapons and again weapon mods (which offer a very beneficial upgrade believe me).

Wait a minute. I thought that Recruit bundles only hold upgrades of 1st tier weapons. Unless you meant Spectre bundles. These are what I can afford after a won match right now.

Forget about that strategy, buy only 99k packs and you won't even touch common weapons because you will get rares inmediately.

[Wizard of Ox]

Well, every gun works for him but I tend to prefer either guns with high stopping power (like the Claymore or Wraith) or which are automatic (like the Typhoon). AR gives you an instantaneous reload btw. CS is really useful for staggering enemies and detonating ammo effects. You can use the Phaeston on him if you'd like.
And, no, none of the soldiers can be considered underpowered. If you need any advice or build on them, I'll be happy to provide.

[RedJohn]

KroGan_eRRanT wrote...

Well, every gun works for him but I tend to prefer either guns with high stopping power (like the Claymore or Wraith) or which are automatic (like the Typhoon). AR gives you an instantaneous reload btw. CS is really useful for staggering enemies and detonating ammo effects. You can use the Phaeston on him if you'd like.
And, no, none of the soldiers can be considered underpowered. If you need any advice or build on them, I'll be happy to provide.

Better don't give advice, would be horrible to see Human Soldiers running around without Adrenaline Rush, Gawd why would someone skip such a WONDERFUL skill? it makes no sense 

[Mike-o]

I suppose I'll roll a full-auto Human Soldier, then. Which do you think'll work better, Phaeston (mine's level 2 or 3) or Revenant (level 1)? I'd say Phaeston, as it has tolerable recoil and accuracy. Mmm, can't wait to use Revenant or Typhoon on my future N7 Destroyer... my problem with playing Human Soldier is that, well, I die too often. I'm too squishy, so I need to use cover, but when I use it, I end up slacking behind other players. Soldier'd be perfect for me if he was more resilient. I like Vorcha Soldier because I can just burn weaker mobs with Flamer (though, as suggested above, this isn't the best way to use that skill). I weren't using Bloodlust, though, reasoning that I want to be able to shoot Flamer and Carnage as often as possible, and Bloodlust slows down power recharge rate.

Modifié par Mike-o, 12 janvier 2014 - 06:30 .

[Wizard of Ox]

RedJohn wrote...

KroGan_eRRanT wrote...

Well, every gun works for him but I tend to prefer either guns with high stopping power (like the Claymore or Wraith) or which are automatic (like the Typhoon). AR gives you an instantaneous reload btw. CS is really useful for staggering enemies and detonating ammo effects. You can use the Phaeston on him if you'd like.
And, no, none of the soldiers can be considered underpowered. If you need any advice or build on them, I'll be happy to provide.

Better don't give advice, would be horrible to see Human Soldiers running around without Adrenaline Rush, Gawd why would someone skip such a WONDERFUL skill? it makes no sense 

Because I have two of them? And it works really well, whether you believe me or not. And I'm far from being the first person advertising this build. 

Modifié par KroGan_eRRanT, 12 janvier 2014 - 06:32 .

[RedJohn]

Mike-o wrote...

I suppose I'll roll a full-auto Human Soldier, then. Which do you think'll work better, Phaeston (mine's level 2 or 3) or Revenant (level 1)? I'd say Phaeston, as it has tolerable recoil and accuracy. Mmm, can't wait to use Revenant or Typhoon on my future N7 Destroyer... my problem with playing Human Soldier is that, well, I die too often. I'm too squishy, so I need to use cover, but when I use it, I end up slacking behind other players. Soldier'd be perfect for me if he was more resilient. I like Vorcha Soldier because I can just burn weaker mobs with Flamer (though, as suggested above, this isn't the best way to use that skill). I weren't using Bloodlust, though, reasoning that I want to be able to shoot Flamer and Carnage as often as possible, and Bloodlust slows down power recharge rate.

Use right hand advantage, you know, all enemies are right handed, so if you are behind a corner they can't hit you but you can kill them, use that.

Also, please give me a link of your manifest I would like to see what do you have at the moment.

[Mike-o]

Sorry for asking such questions, but... how do I do that? Do you mean this: http://social.biowar...air&platform=pc ?

[Alijah Green]

L2P RedJuan AR-LESS is quiet good, using RHA is for the weak

[RedJohn]

KroGan_eRRanT wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

KroGan_eRRanT wrote...

Well, every gun works for him but I tend to prefer either guns with high stopping power (like the Claymore or Wraith) or which are automatic (like the Typhoon). AR gives you an instantaneous reload btw. CS is really useful for staggering enemies and detonating ammo effects. You can use the Phaeston on him if you'd like.
And, no, none of the soldiers can be considered underpowered. If you need any advice or build on them, I'll be happy to provide.

Better don't give advice, would be horrible to see Human Soldiers running around without Adrenaline Rush, Gawd why would someone skip such a WONDERFUL skill? it makes no sense 

Because I have two of them? And it works really well, whether you believe me or not. And I'm far from being the first person advertising this build. 

Whether it works well or not depends on the player's skill. 
I could make work any build, but that doesn't mean it's optimal.

In my case, the 3 I have ( if we count BF3 Soldier as well ) I have 1 for full weapon damage without grenades and the other 2 are power based, but still in none of them I skip Adrenaline Rush, because even if it's power based AR gives it a perfect balance between a high level weapon platfform and a grenade ( or CS/Carnage ) spammer. Just imagine this, a power based character with a power for weapons similar to tactical Cloak ( even better because cloak's effect only last 2 seconds except for TGI )


I mean, I understand if you like it, i respect that, but that's not an optimal build

Modifié par RedJohn, 12 janvier 2014 - 06:44 .

[RedJohn]

Mike-o wrote...

Sorry for asking such questions, but... how do I do that? Do you mean this: http://social.biowar...air&platform=pc ?

Yep, that's your manifest

[RedJohn]

You have good characters like N7 Fury and Turian Soldier

The collector is also very very powerful.

[GodLovesATrier]

Mike-o wrote...

Wait a minute. I thought that Recruit bundles only hold upgrades of 1st tier weapons. Unless you meant Spectre bundles. These are what I can afford after a won match right now.

As for Vorcha Soldier - so using Flamer's full lenght isn't the best strategy, right? Unless used against elite mobs?

I mean the 5k packs (the cheapest), buy them until max out all the common (blue) weapons/mods etc, otherwise these "cheap" upgrades will appear in the more expensive packs that you should be buying later on. After that you can concentrate on veteran packs (20k) or skip to spectre (60k). I find the difference between those two to be less clear cut.

Going back to the vorcha soldier (I can see the human soldier has caused some "interesting" debate amongst forum regulars): the flamer is a very powerful ability and if you like burning groups of mobs into the ground why not? I'm just suggesting one way of using it that can be quite effective. Also, like you say, run it for longer on armoured enemies (those with yellow health bar). I'm afraid you don't have the weapons yet that I suggested, Eviscerator is a good weapon though and you have fast movement speed to get in close with your vorcha.

There's a sticky guide for new players at the top of this forum, it's excellent and well worth going through if you have the time.

[Mike-o]

There is? Well, thank you, I'll make sure to take a look at it. As for Vorcha... I'm not a big fan of shotguns, but I'm also reasonable - how will Eviscerator work better for Vorcha Soldier than Phaeston, or other assault rifle? And if I were to use shotgun, what mods would you suggest, damage and accuracy? I see what you mean about bundles, by the way. Gonna buy some Recruit bundles now, to make sure I max common weapons. Thanks for the tip.

Modifié par Mike-o, 12 janvier 2014 - 07:08 .

[jrob6]

 Welcome to BSN!  You have come to the right place for information; there are a lot of helpful people on here that will hlep you out in game as well if you're looking for people to play with.  Unfortunately, I'm on PS3 so I won't be getting any games in with you.  I looked through your manifest, and here are some builds that I came up with for you.

Vorcha Soldier:  He can create fire explosions at will by combining Flamer and Carnage.  First, engage bloodlust at the beginning of the match and leave it on.  It will regenerate your health and add power damage to your flamer and carnage.  Spray flamer at the enemies for a few seconds to prime them...then as soon as your cool down is ready fire Carnage at any enemy that is glowing red to create a fire explosion.  Flamer is specced for armor damage...so when you get to the boss enemies (they all have armor) make sure you use flamer b/c it inflicts lots of damage.  

Human Soldier (weapon focused):  As some have already said, this character is one hell of a weapons platform. Adrenaline Rush will reload your clip for you immediately, so weapons with a small clip (claymore, wraith, snipers, etc.) really benefit from it.  Shoot the first round, hit Adrenaline Rush to immediately refill your clip...then you are shooting your weapon with 70% damage bonus for the duration of Adrenaline Rush.  It's awesome.  Adrenaline rush also gives you immediate shields when engaged...so even if you don't need to refill your clip but are getting shot at and are about to go down, just use adrenaline rush.  The grenades are good for staggering enemies and detonating ammo types and some powers as well.  

Human Soldier (Concussive Shot/Power focused):  You have 2 human soldiers (3 if you count the Battlefield 3 soldier) so you can create different builds with the same powers.  No adrenaline rush here.  Use your weapon to apply an ammo type, then detonate that ammo type with Concussive Shot.  The best ammo type to use with this build is Cryo ammo, because Concussive Shot's 5a evolution adds 100% damage to enemies that are chilled OR frozen.  But this build works with incendiary and disruptor ammo too (fire explosions and tech bursts) just not as well as it does with cryo ammo.  Grenades are for the same purpose as the other human soldier, but they do more damage because of how the passives are set up.

Krogan Warlord:  He is a melee god.  You have the shotgun omniblade....the perfect attachment for this character.  Engage tech armor armor at the beginning of the match and leave it on.  It adds melee damage and gives damage reduction.  The Bioitc Hammer is the way to go in my opinion.  Electrical hammer doesn't do enough damage, and putting any points into it takes away vital points from areas where they could be better spent.  Biotic Hammer is set up to take down armor...so it's very effective against bosses.  Take them down to armor...then use both Bitoic Hammer charges and they should be dead.  Krogan heavy melee is enough to kill most non-boss enemies in one hit.  Using the Krogan heavy melee to kill mooks will automatically send you into Rage Mode (which increases your melee damage and increases damage resistance).  To Krogan heavy melee with the Warlord you need to be sprinting, then tap the melee button while sprinting.  You can't just hold the melee button, as that will use the Biotic Hammer...you'll get the hang of it.  This guy is a beast, but succeptible to sync kills by boss enemies...so be careful.  Focus on the mooks until you get the hang of how to deal with bosses.

Now for the packs you should be buying.  Since you are really new and don't have mnay thing unlocked...I reccomend that you stick to buying Recruit Packs and Veteran Packs.  They are cheaper than the others so you will get more bang for your buck.  What's really important for you at this point is to max out your common and uncommon weapons AND MOST IMPORTANTLY WEAPON ATTACHMENTS.  They make a huge difference I promise.  I know there is an urge to buy more expensive packs...but frankly you are wasting your credits until you max the commons and uncommons.

Hope this has been helpful.  Surely there will be PC players who will send you friend requests and will hlep you along.  Let me know if I can clarify anything.  Best of luck! 

[Mike-o]

I already know some of these things, but thank you, you've been most helpful, especially with the tips for Krogan Warlord ^^. Two questions about that class, though; first, I don't have to care about weight, right? Since I put Tech Armor on just once (I suppose that exploding it is too risky), and put Biotic Hammer on only every once in a while, weight doesn't really affect me, yes? And second; is there a point in taking a long-range weapon, like a pistol or semi-automatic rifle? It seems viable for those times when you have to escort a drone or hack stuff, but perhaps I'd be better off rage-rushing mobs instead of helping out with these tasks?

P.S. What does "b/c" stand for?

Modifié par Mike-o, 12 janvier 2014 - 07:29 .