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[DeinonSlayer]

@HYR 2.0
It's more like the allied POWs who died in the Hiroshima bombing. Danger close. Friendly fire. It ain't personal.

I think the closest in-universe analogue to Destroy is sacrificing the hostages in BDtS to stop Balak, versus letting him go and trusting to luck he won't try to murder millions of people again in the future (really, though, in that situation, what reason does Balak have not to remote-det the bombs the second you let him out the front door? Only a moron would let him walk, IMO).

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 13 janvier 2014 - 06:55 .

[His Name was HYR!!]

Comrade Wakizashi wrote...

You have the choice between having the Geth die, which is indeed terrible,

Killing off the geth (if even alive, at that point in the game) is the least of what Destroy does wrong.

I admit ; or turning the entire galaxy into crazy abominations. I'm very sorry for the geth, but I'll take number 1.

Quick! Which "crazy abominations" pictured are from Destroy epilogue? Which ones are from Sync epilogue?

von uber wrote...

*snip*

"Thanks Shepard for making me self aware! Me and Bill (that's my arm, by the way) are going to go down to the Apollo Cafe - want to come?"

Let's rub two brain-cells together for a moment, shall we?

Husks are nothing more than reanimated corpses. Without Reaper control over them, it's nothing more than a lifeless body. So a husk being "synthesized" doesn't affect the long-dead victim, it affects the Reaper.

This would aptly explain why there are no husks pictured in the ensuing Sync slideshow.

learn2lore.

[von uber]

So what about all the uncontrolled Husks in the Sanctuary which have no Reaper or Cerberus control? Or the Adjutants in Omega.

Face it, there are massive unfortunate implications with Synthesis.

Modifié par von uber, 13 janvier 2014 - 07:16 .

[His Name was HYR!!]

Almostfaceman wrote...

*quote-pyramid snip*

Yup, I don't like destroy either.

You fail to recognize that both these decisions you don't like still end up stopping a threat to everyone's life, and in reject them altogether, you would doom all lives. That's why your analogy of Sync was stupid, you overlook the not-so-minor detail of how the magic wand also saved the recipient's life (mine was stupid too, but it was a parody of the one you made).

[General TSAR]

LOL NOPE.

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Killing off the geth (if even alive, at that point in the game) is the least of what Destroy does wrong.

Nope, blowing up the toasters is the icing on the cake (assuming they weren't destroyed over the skies of Rannoch).

Modifié par General TSAR, 13 janvier 2014 - 07:18 .

[His Name was HYR!!]

von uber wrote...

So what about all the uncontrolled Husks in the Sanctuary which have no Reaper or Cerberus control? Or the Adjutants in Omega.

"All" those husks that Shepard killed?

[AlanC9]

HYR 2.0 wrote...
Husks are nothing more than reanimated corpses. Without Reaper control over them, it's nothing more than a lifeless body. So a husk being "synthesized" doesn't affect the long-dead victim, it affects the Reaper.

This would aptly explain why there are no husks pictured in the ensuing Sync slideshow.

learn2lore.

I dunno.... this one's a little hard to reconcile with the way the husk reacts in the Synth vid.

[His Name was HYR!!]

General TSAR wrote...

LOL NOPE.

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Killing off the geth (if even alive, at that point in the game) is the least of what Destroy does wrong.

Nope, blowing up the toasters is the icing on the cake (assuming they weren't destroyed over the skies of Rannoch).

Volus aren't "toasters." What about them? They died too.

[DeinonSlayer]

@HYR

Re: volus, um... how do you reach that conclusion? How does Destroy hurt them? Quarians need exosuits and cybernetics, biotics have cybernetics, I didn't see them keeling over in agony from having them spontaneously stripped out. It seems that tech was unaffected.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 13 janvier 2014 - 07:29 .

[CrutchCricket]

How did the volus die?

And why are geth toasters? Why not microwaves, or coffeemakers?

[General TSAR]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Volus aren't "toasters." What about them? They died too.

Source or GTFO.

CrutchCricket wrote...

How did the volus die?

And why are geth toasters? Why not microwaves, or coffeemakers?

It's a runing gag from Battlestar Galactica. 

Modifié par General TSAR, 13 janvier 2014 - 07:35 .

[Iakus]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Volus aren't "toasters." What about them? They died too.

By that logic, every non-asari biotic (and probably most asari withdeveloped biotics) died too.

And the quarians had a Really Bad Day too.

[shodiswe]

CrutchCricket wrote...

How did the volus die?

And why are geth toasters? Why not microwaves, or coffeemakers?

I think it's a reference to a different Sci-fi IP, Battlestar galactica.

[shodiswe]

Anyway, +1 to Synthesis and Control, they both seem ok imo.

I'm not saying they are perfect but they are much better than Destroy and certainly better than Refuse.

[Almostfaceman]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

*quote-pyramid snip*

Yup, I don't like destroy either.

You fail to recognize that both these decisions you don't like still end up stopping a threat to everyone's life, and in reject them altogether, you would doom all lives. That's why your analogy of Sync was stupid, you overlook the not-so-minor detail of how the magic wand also saved the recipient's life (mine was stupid too, but it was a parody of the one you made).

You fail to recognize that the whole ending is stupid, but, I was addressing why synthesis was stupid because this is a thread about synthesis, and for or against it being paragon. Saving someone's life does not less stupid this ending make. 

[His Name was HYR!!]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

@HYR

Re: volus, um... how do you reach that conclusion? Quarians need exosuits and cybernetics, biotics have cybernetics, I didn't see them keeling over in agony from having them spontaneously stripped out. It seems that tech was unaffected.

Actually, I can't claim originality to this one. It was The Twilight God's astute analysis.

Destroy targetted tech. We know this from the Catalyst's dialogue and Destroy's Low- and Mid-EMS variants. And even in High-EMS, the relays overload and the Citadel blows up (not true of Control). Volus rely on the tech in their suits to survive. However, we see no Volus in the Destroy epilogue, just as we see no geth. They're not there because they're dead.

I just can't believe I didn't pick up on that one. Usually I'm the first to see what no else does.

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 13 janvier 2014 - 07:38 .

[General TSAR]

How is Galactic Subjection or Genetic Mutilation better than Pyrrhic Victory or Last Stand?

Modifié par General TSAR, 13 janvier 2014 - 07:38 .

[von uber]

AlanC9 wrote...

I dunno.... this one's a little hard to reconcile with the way the husk reacts in the Synth vid.

Just re-ran the Synthesis ending (have a save at the three choices):

Fem shep loses her sanity and jumps in:



Evil husk! Leave the Steve clone alone!



Urgh, thinks Mr Bob the husk, what has she done?



No, seriously.



What the hell has she done to me? Oi, Mr Reaper, where you flying off to and leaving me here?

[CrutchCricket]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Destroy targetted tech. We know this from the Catalyst's dialogue and Destroy's Low- and Mid-EMS variants. And even in High-EMS, the relays overload and the Citadel blows up (not true of Control). Volus rely on the tech in their suits to survive. However, we see no Volus in the Destroy epilogue, just as we see no geth. They're not there because they're dead.

I just can't believe I didn't pick up on that one. Usually I'm the first to see what no else does.

Really? I thought it was a (space) magic, sentient wave that destroyed "bad" tech but was curteous enough to leave "good" tech alone. Or so would all those functioning ships and stuff afterwards have you believe.

[DeinonSlayer]

@HYR
Uh, no. The Quarians would be extinct in Destroy were that the case. Are we to assume the Elcor, Hanar, and Batarians are extinct too because they weren't important enough to show? Starship FTL among other things is still functional in the immediate aftermath, and that's eezo-based technology.

Did we see any Salarians either? They're kind of the "afterthought" Council race. They're not shown, they must be extinct.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 13 janvier 2014 - 07:43 .

[General TSAR]

HYR 2.0 wrote...
Actually, I can't claim originality to this one. It was The Twilight God's astute analysis.

Destroy targetted tech. We know this from the Catalyst's dialogue and Destroy's Low- and Mid-EMS variants. And even in High-EMS, the relays overload and the Citadel blows up (not true of Control). ]Volus rely on the tech in their suits to survive. However, we see no Volus in the Destroy epilogue, just as we see no geth. They're not there because they're dead.

I just can't believe I didn't pick up on that one. Usually I'm the first to see what no else does.

We see no Elcor nor Jellyfish nor Insane Porcupine nor Four Eyes in the ending slides, THEY MUST BE DEAD!!!

Fail Logic is Fail. 

Modifié par General TSAR, 13 janvier 2014 - 07:43 .