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[Deflagratio]

Let's be honest, nobody actually wants armor. Our characters should just be protected by differing qualities of magical body oil.

[Laughing_Man]

*Facepalm*
As expected, this thread deteriorated quickly.
Err... I suppose that the best solution is to make both kinds available.

[Star fury]

What's wrong with this armor?

[Texhnolyze101]

Star fury wrote...

What's wrong with this armor?

Thats not armor is just an outfit.

[Parmida]

I want a naked Quizzy wearing "DAT HAT"!

He will conquer all of Thedas!

his motto will be: "Look at mah hat and feel ashamed at your own inadequacy! and eyes up while you're at it..."

[superdeathdealer14]

Parmida wrote...

I want a naked Quizzy wearing "DAT HAT"!

He will conquer all of Thedas!

his motto will be: "Look at mah hat and feel ashamed at your own inadequacy! and eyes up while you're at it..."

That's what people are calling the hat now? "DAT HAT" hmm..... interesting.

[Parmida]

superdeathdealer14 wrote...

Parmida wrote...

I want a naked Quizzy wearing "DAT HAT"!

He will conquer all of Thedas!

his motto will be: "Look at mah hat and feel ashamed at your own inadequacy! and eyes up while you're at it..."

That's what people are calling the hat now? "DAT HAT" hmm..... interesting.

WHAT?! BLASPHEMY! It was always "DAT HAT"!

Dat FABULOUS Hat!  (DFA!)

(In Cailen's voice) It is 'Glorious'! 

[Absafraginlootly]

DoomHK wrote...

SirGladiator wrote...

The idea that it's 'sexist' to enjoy attractive female armors is absurd. For those that want to cover their female characters from head to toe in armor, that's fine, but it's also 100% fine to prefer they wear attractive outfits instead, and anybody that tells you different is just plain wrong. Morrigan's outfit was a great example, for those who didn't like it, it was easy enough to change her into something else, but for the vast majority of us who did like it, we'd like more such outfits, not less. Anyone who is 'offended' by attractive outfits can simply not use them, but as I don't live in the middle east, I prefer the female characters in my games to not be covered from head to toe. More attractive outfits, not less, is what I'd like to see in DAI.

Morrigan isn't a warrior or soldier. She's a mage who has spent her life living in the wilds. Her "attractive" garmonts fit her character, just as Isabela's skimpy outfit fits hers. I personally have no problems with this, and few people complained, because they're not supposed to be wearing armour.

I do take issue with female armour that only covers a woman's breasts and thighs. If Aveline was to don a metal swimsuit instead of a full set of plate, there would be something of an outrage. She's a very practical character, so her full suit of armour fits that perfectly.

This ^

With clothes or 'outfits' wear whatever you please but armour has to protect you. I feel no need for 100% realism but it should be close enough to suspend my disbelief, having a bare middrif and gaping cleavage then calling it "armour" takes my attempt to suspend disbelief in a fantasy world and beats it to unconsciousness against a back alley wall.

[superdeathdealer14]

Parmida wrote...

superdeathdealer14 wrote...

Parmida wrote...

I want a naked Quizzy wearing "DAT HAT"!

He will conquer all of Thedas!

his motto will be: "Look at mah hat and feel ashamed at your own inadequacy! and eyes up while you're at it..."

That's what people are calling the hat now? "DAT HAT" hmm..... interesting.

WHAT?! BLASPHEMY! It was always "DAT HAT"!

Dat FABULOUS Hat!  (DFA!)

(In Cailen's voice) It is 'Glorious'! 

superdeathdealer14 wrote...

These hats look far too fancy for me

wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/arcadesushi.com/files/2013/12/Dragon-Age-Inquisition-BioWare-1.jpg 

wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/arcadesushi.com/files/2013/12/Dragon-Age-Inquisition-BioWare-4.jpg

You do realise I put in the original links for the hat image in the Mage Hats... thread social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/371/index/17781180/2

Modifié par superdeathdealer14, 15 janvier 2014 - 11:19 .

[Parmida]

@superdeathdealer14

I know! I'm just being my usual crazy maniac! Don't mind me!

This happens when I'm really really happy... too happy! And I need something to fawn all over and sqee to gain my mind back and in this case it's "DAT HAT"! I'm just weird that way.. Don't judge meh!
OH by the way, have you read the "DAT HAT" thread? if not ... THEN READ IT! and you'll see it's "DAT HAT".

http://social.biowar.../index/17186404

Modifié par Parmida, 15 janvier 2014 - 11:27 .

[ElitePinecone]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Star fury wrote...

What's wrong with this armor?

Thats not armor is just an outfit.

Indeed. The questionable camera angles in ME2 aside, I did have an issue with the way that ME2 and ME3 compromised on the plausibility of the armour suits to emphasise the characters' iconic look - or "personality", but only if you take personality to mean "boobs". 

Even the lightest armour in the first game still looked sturdy, appropriately militaristic and *able to survive space*. Here's Ashley:



(And no surprises, apparently she needed a boob line in the armour for ME3. Ugh?)



From memory, the game's solution for Miranda working in an environment with no breathable atmosphere was to strap an oxygen mask to her face and send her out in a skintight jumpsuit. 

The fundmental issue for Dragon Age as well as ME is that companion/squad outfits should aesthetically relate to their backstory and what they do in battle (while also hopefully being plausible) - the focus on sex appeal is vaguely creepy at best, and more often than not just makes the character look ridiculous. Isabella's outfit makes sense for her character and her class, but asking for everyone to run around wearing nothing is a bit disturbing.

[daveliam]

Ashley's physical transformation from realistic female soldier to vamped up sex pot is one of the biggest disappointments in ME 3 for me. While I only have 1 Shepard that saved Ashley on Virmire, I appreciated that she was dressed like an actual soldier and not a sexy halloween style imitation of what the men were wearing. She wore armor that covered and protected her and had her hair neatly tied back in a bun. Then ME 3 comes along and she's in a Miranda catsuit with her hair flowing free. Not only unrealistic for a high ranking female soldier, but also out of character for Ashley given how conservative she was up to that point. I think that this is what I really don't want to see in DA: I.

[chuckwells62]

SirGladiator wrote...

The idea that it's 'sexist' to enjoy attractive female armors is absurd. For those that want to cover their female characters from head to toe in armor, that's fine, but it's also 100% fine to prefer they wear attractive outfits instead, and anybody that tells you different is just plain wrong. Morrigan's outfit was a great example, for those who didn't like it, it was easy enough to change her into something else, but for the vast majority of us who did like it, we'd like more such outfits, not less. Anyone who is 'offended' by attractive outfits can simply not use them, but as I don't live in the middle east, I prefer the female characters in my games to not be covered from head to toe. More attractive outfits, not less, is what I'd like to see in DAI.

For me Robe of the Witch, Chasind Robes, and Tevinter Robe also filled the same function as Morrigan's default outfit for sexiness. I tend to stick those on my female characters in the earliest parts of the game, until they start becoming a stat handicap. All of these clothing options make a female Warden look awesome, sexy and fearsome when topped with Thane Helmet.

[CuriousArtemis]

Morrigan's outfit was ridiculous. She was obviously using some kind of levitation spell to keep her boobanis upright because that "bra" wouldn't have been able to do the trick. She was also likely using backwards tape to prevent any nip slips that would have inevitably occurred.

Anyway, I'm fine with sexy armors, so long as they're also available to male characters. Thank god for games like Dragon's Dogma.

[Jorina Leto]

Star fury wrote...

What's wrong with this armor?

This is not armor. It's clothing.

[Lvl20DM]

Mass Effect is also pretty different in that protection is mostly supplied by kinetic barriers and not actual material - the more armored characters had higher health usually to represent them having a layer of extra protection. Ashley also got a few full hardsuits of armor in addition to the "sexy" on she wears when you first meet her.

Miranda is straight up unarmored, and jokes are made at her expense in that regard on a few occasions.

[ElitePinecone]

Lvl20DM wrote...

Mass Effect is also pretty different in that protection is mostly supplied by kinetic barriers and not actual material - the more armored characters had higher health usually to represent them having a layer of extra protection. Ashley also got a few full hardsuits of armor in addition to the "sexy" on she wears when you first meet her.

Miranda is straight up unarmored, and jokes are made at her expense in that regard on a few occasions.

Yeah, I actually forgot that Ashley gets those additional outfit options (and it does redeem the initial impression somewhat).

I guess I'm just not a fan of "iconic" appearances that turn out to be an excuse for the artists to do something ridiculous. Unique outfits are necessary to give each character personality and identify them on the battlefield, but part of me really misses the aesthetic of those ME1 armours (and honestly, the "kinetic barriers mean they don't need physical armour" thing seems like a pretty poor excuse to have everyone running around half-naked - planetary landings should at least need a full-body suit). Maybe it just feels more immersive when characters exploring space wear vaguely plausible spacesuits? 

In DA's case, the armour in DA2 was a bit all over the place - Hawke's Champion gear was just a mess of spikes and cloth, and I never really found anything that looked as good as some of the sets in the first game. There's not the same pressure of plausibility that ME has (so mages can get away with wearing clothing) but some of the ornate stuff still looks quite silly. 

As someone said above though, DA generally does a good job in not giving female warriors sexy armour varients.

[legbamel]

My objection to the "Morrigan is dirt poor and lives in the wilderness" defehse fir her wearing a scarf, some straps, and seventy-two dangling belts was always that her mother managed to dress like every other random peasant in the game. Two things kept me from throwing my controller at the screen when she first appeared: I was a mage and knew not all mage robes looked like some fetish role-playing swinger's party and I had Alistair in the Chasind robes.

Jack and Isabela get a pass from me on their outfits because an aggressive sexuality is a well-established part of their characters. The completely impractical robes Morrigan wears by default strike me as they always have--demographic pandering.

[ames4u]

Surprisingly, chainmail bikini armour is something Bioware has avoided-but not the modding community. <_<
I'd like the armour to reflect the male and female form more notably because having my female warrior look like she is hulking around a refrigerator is very disheartening. But I am not saying bikini armour is the way to go.

[Patchwork]

In its self I don't find anything wrong with Ashley's ME3 armour it's something I can easily imagine Miranda* and a few of my Shepards wearing but it looks completely wrong on Ashley. In the art book said they wanted to sex up her look and so they did, characterisation be damned.

*Although I'd argue that if ME2 did the casual/armour thing like ME3 Miranda would be wearing her APP hardsuit into battle not high heels and a wedgie.

For me how a character dresses comes down to believability- Do I really believe this character would wear that in this environment and in these circumstances? If not then I start to wonder why they're dressed that way and 9 times out of 10 the answer is male gaze ****** material.

[ames4u]

chuckwells62 wrote...

SirGladiator wrote...

The idea that it's 'sexist' to enjoy attractive female armors is absurd. For those that want to cover their female characters from head to toe in armor, that's fine, but it's also 100% fine to prefer they wear attractive outfits instead, and anybody that tells you different is just plain wrong. Morrigan's outfit was a great example, for those who didn't like it, it was easy enough to change her into something else, but for the vast majority of us who did like it, we'd like more such outfits, not less. Anyone who is 'offended' by attractive outfits can simply not use them, but as I don't live in the middle east, I prefer the female characters in my games to not be covered from head to toe. More attractive outfits, not less, is what I'd like to see in DAI.

For me Robe of the Witch, Chasind Robes, and Tevinter Robe also filled the same function as Morrigan's default outfit for sexiness. I tend to stick those on my female characters in the earliest parts of the game, until they start becoming a stat handicap. All of these clothing options make a female Warden look awesome, sexy and fearsome when topped with Thane Helmet.

The Reaper outfit works too-not too outragious either.

[philippe willaume]

motomotogirl wrote...

Morrigan's outfit was ridiculous. She was obviously using some kind of levitation spell to keep her boobanis upright because that "bra" wouldn't have been able to do the trick. She was also likely using backwards tape to prevent any nip slips that would have inevitably occurred.

Anyway, I'm fine with sexy armors, so long as they're also available to male characters. Thank god for games like Dragon's Dogma.

I'd rather not have pointless armour for any gender. :happy:

in ME they have civilian and different military outfit, why not in DA?

I think that Jack or Isabella outfit kinds of works for the character.
i agree with you on Morigan, I think they should have stayed with the sacred ashes trailer outfit. 
phil

Modifié par philippe willaume, 16 janvier 2014 - 01:24 .

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

tbf in regards to Miranda, most strong biotics in the ME universe only wear light armour or clothing, Liara, Samara and Jacob are all examples of this.


If the armour doesn't look like this



then there is no point in even buying the game.

Modifié par DinoSteve, 16 janvier 2014 - 01:47 .

[grumpymooselion]

I'm more a fan of variety, and things making sense for a culture or character than as an overall idea of practicality. Different cultures throughout our own history have had really odd ideas of protection and practicality, some not practical at all, some right alongside cultures with more sensible forms of protection.

I guess what I'm saying is that there's a place for everything. Variety is good. One note, all the time, isn't the way to go whatever that note is whether it be a practical note, a fantastical note, a skimpy note or a macho note or any number of other notes. Music is made up of many notes, a variety of notes each in their proper place, part of the greater order, even those that provide dissonance and contrast to those that follow suit.

That said, while skimpy stuff might have its place . . . I don't generally consider that place to be plate/chain armor. Less covering armor, or no armor (just uniforms or clothes instead) are typically something you expect of either more primitive cultures or cultures with weaponry advanced enough that it has made the armor of the time useless.

Modifié par Janan Pacha, 16 janvier 2014 - 02:57 .

[DarthSliver]

I don't think Bioware will do sexy armor, most games that do that come from Japan. I can see the reason why some people would like to wear sexy armor for their female characters, I do myself at times. But as much as I like to have sexy armor, I do feel its a bit disrespectful to females. So I propose a mid option, maybe a sexy armor toggle that will transform your armor into barely armored armor- for both male and female characters. And I only say a toggle, sorta like hide helmet toggle thats in DA2. Honestly I am guy and sometimes having my female character running out in sexy armor can be entertaining at times. A toggle option would fit better for it through if there were to be sexy ridiculous armor like that. Otherwise I think Bioware is doing a fine job with the armors, the always tend to make armors I hate all the same.

If Bioware doesnt want sexy armor in their games there are those Japanese titles you can play to get that.