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Have you wisened up yet when it comes to buying video games?

Débuté par Ridwan , janv. 13 2014 05:13

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Posté 13 janvier 2014 - 08:54

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M25105 wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Whether a review is directly or indirectly paid for by its publisher is largely irrelevant if you look at what the review says about how the game works as opposed to how they say it appears.


Appearance is entirely subjective and thus not appropriately quantifiable for large scale generaization like recommending a product to thousands of gamers, each of whose has its own subjective preferences on appearance.



What I always look for in reviews is what they say how the game works, what its mechanics are, if they work as they should and how they fit into the game's premise/focus.


I don't care if a reviewer thinks a game is perfect or crap, what I want to know is why the reviewer thinks that way, so I can decide whether I agree with his opinion, or not.
Because that's what reviews are, opinions.


Then they're the opinions of incompetent people who are willing to overlook glaring flaws, bugs, crashes and what have you not. This has been evident OVER AND OVER AGAIN.


That's why you look at the "what", not the "how". Bugs existing is a "what", a reviewer thinking the bugs aren't bad is a "how". Facts about a game will always be opinionated, it's the very basis of your individualistic reality that EVERYTHING is subjective, the point is looking for the least opinionated points, which are what causes those opinions, the "what is it" as opposed to "how I think it is".


And even if some reviewers, for some reason ignore things like recurring technical issues, in the current day of information abundance it is impossible to not get a halfway complete picture of a product if you care to look it up.

That's why you don't look at one review, or two, or three. It's why you look at ten reviews. And it doesn't matter if you even agree with anything they say, the number of opinions alone will maximize the amount of information you have to form your own opinion, the only which matters.

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Posté 13 janvier 2014 - 09:08

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http://www.metacriti...tal-war-rome-ii

Notice the amount of favourable reviews, one site even giving it 100%

I also don't buy the "it's an opinion excuse" and it's subjective. Some people like to drink pee, so is their opinion valid too when it comes to finding a good beverage? A reviewer should be a professional and point flaws, the amount of time you can get out of a game, replay value, bugs and crashes and whether or not the game is in dire need to be fixed as well as cut content. None of the major site that influences a lot of people across the board do that. Instead games that are so buggy like the Total War: Rome 2 get released and you check the reviews and you can see sites that had it 2 days prior of the game being released giving the game an absurd rating and then later on when people actually play after having bought into the hype, find out that the game is riddled with so many bugs it makes AQ in WoW look like it's been visited by pest control.

So yes, this among A LOT of other examples, shows that there's some form of underhanded business practice or at least a form of carrot and stick involved in the review business when you have to check youtubers to find a decent review instead of being able to rely on the major sites.

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Posté 13 janvier 2014 - 09:14

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I've always been wise.i know what i like and what i wont like.if theres a demo ima play the crap out of it and if i love it,boom getting the game.if not ill never bother with that "game" ever again.also i listen to what friends have to say about video games and curtain reviews but over all.I listen to myself, i know thats a hard concept to understand and most want to blame others or jump the bandwagon,when a game is a hit or complete miss.But those run out of room to travel in.

I love Mass effect 3 even before the EXC.Yea i said it and mean it *BOOM HEADSHOT*

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Posté 13 janvier 2014 - 09:21

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M25105 wrote...

I also don't buy the "it's an opinion excuse" and it's subjective. Some people like to drink pee, so is their opinion valid too when it comes to finding a good beverage? A reviewer should be a professional and point flaws, the amount of time you can get out of a game, replay value, bugs and crashes and whether or not the game is in dire need to be fixed as well as cut content. None of the major site that influences a lot of people across the board do that. Instead games that are so buggy like the Total War: Rome 2 get released and you check the reviews and you can see sites that had it 2 days prior of the game being released giving the game an absurd rating and then later on when people actually play after having bought into the hype, find out that the game is riddled with so many bugs it makes AQ in WoW look like it's been visited by pest control.

So yes, this among A LOT of other examples, shows that there's some form of underhanded business practice or at least a form of carrot and stick involved in the review business when you have to check youtubers to find a decent review instead of being able to rely on the major sites.


I don't recall the article now, so can't link it, but I read that it's not quite as simple as that all the time. Many times, reviewers are given a polished build of a totally linear level of a game and are sitting there with dev/pubs breathing down their necks when they play it. This leads to many of the misleading "This is a flawless, awesome game experience" reviews, because that's what they get from the little bit of game they're allowed to play.

This isn't always the case, of course, but it does explain some of the completely head-scratching reviews some games receive.

As for pre-ordering, I seldom do so, but willl if it's a game I know for sure I want and comes from a developer I have faith in. Unfortunately, what is deterring me more and more from not only pre-ordering but also from purchasing at release, is DLC. Games that have DLC planned, I generally wait until all the DLC is released. I don't care about item packs or cosmetics, but DLC that actually adds content is something I usually want, but I don't want to get it piecemeal. I want to have it all in one go when I sit down to play the game, and while I often replay games if I really like them, I don't like feeling that I need to replay it just to get at new DLC content. So, yeah, that's what's having a bigger negative effect on me.

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Posté 13 janvier 2014 - 09:24

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M25105 wrote...

I also don't buy the "it's an opinion excuse" and it's subjective. Some people like to drink pee, so is their opinion valid too when it comes to finding a good beverage?


Of course their opinion is valid.

Because if you understood what I was saying, you wouldn't care for the "I like drinking pee" as much as you would care for the "because". In which case the because might be a psychological condition, or a fetish. Which would be important for you, because it shows that if you have the same condition/fetish, you also might like drinking pee. And if you don't have those, it tells you that you might not like to drink pee.
And if you had further understood what I meant, you'd also inquire some more about pee and it's properties, so that you'd know that it's not a preferable source of nutrition as it's the bodies primary means of discharging waste and detoxification, so that drinking it for nutrition's worth would be inadvisable and thus not a recommended beverage. On the other hand, you'd know that in case of severe malnutrition and inability to acquire fresh water, drinking pee is preferable to death by dehydration as it will forestall the latter.


All that information together will then most likely lead to your opinion that unless you are in great danger of dying by dehydration, you'd opt to disagree with the aforementioned opinion and consequantly not try drinking pee.

Modifié par Neofelis Nebulosa, 13 janvier 2014 - 09:28 .

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Posté 13 janvier 2014 - 09:29

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I only purchase games online now, no more gamestop for me. I also generally avoid buying from big publishers, nearly every game coming up that I'll be playing is from a kickstarter or it's made by a smaller company.

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Posté 13 janvier 2014 - 09:43

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chunkyman wrote...

I only purchase games online now, no more gamestop for me. I also generally avoid buying from big publishers, nearly every game coming up that I'll be playing is from a kickstarter or it's made by a smaller company.



It will be interesting to see what happens to all these kick starter games when they come out and possibly have problems whether it is missed expectations or bugs or what have you.

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Posté 13 janvier 2014 - 09:54

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I earn a lot per month and I live alone, no problem.

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Posté 13 janvier 2014 - 10:00

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Beerfish wrote...

It will be interesting to see what happens to all these kick starter games when they come out and possibly have problems whether it is missed expectations or bugs or what have you.


Agreed. I backed a number of them, but only minimally (with the exception of Project Eternity, for which I pledged a lot, but I have faith in Obsidian). I figure if they don't end up being all that stellar, then no big deal. But I have confidence PE will be great.

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Posté 13 janvier 2014 - 10:14

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Beerfish wrote...

chunkyman wrote...

I only purchase games online now, no more gamestop for me. I also generally avoid buying from big publishers, nearly every game coming up that I'll be playing is from a kickstarter or it's made by a smaller company.



It will be interesting to see what happens to all these kick starter games when they come out and possibly have problems whether it is missed expectations or bugs or what have you.


I think we'll be seeing a lot of problems from projects that people liked the idea of but the developers are complete unknowns.

Projects like the ones from Obsidian or Chris Roberts I suspect will do much better. We all know that they know what they're doing when it comes to their respective genres.

I am interested in seeing how Star Citizen turns out though with how much money it's managed to pull in.

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Posté 14 janvier 2014 - 01:51

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I hate hipster gamers and knee jerk overreacting gamers.

I remember going on amazon and seeing me3 reviews (slamming and bashing then rating it a 1) a number of those reviews had been done by peoplecreating multiple amazon accounts to get me3 the worst rating ever when the game didn't deserve such a rating. Peoples knees are still jerking 2 years later. Ok the game didn't live up to your golden thro e expectations and so that means it's the worst game ever. Worse than superman 64 and worse than E.T. etc

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Posté 14 janvier 2014 - 07:14

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wolfstanus wrote...

I hate hipster gamers and knee jerk overreacting gamers.

I remember going on amazon and seeing me3 reviews (slamming and bashing then rating it a 1) a number of those reviews had been done by peoplecreating multiple amazon accounts to get me3 the worst rating ever when the game didn't deserve such a rating. Peoples knees are still jerking 2 years later. Ok the game didn't live up to your golden thro e expectations and so that means it's the worst game ever. Worse than superman 64 and worse than E.T. etc


Gamers tend to be extreme when they rate something. Everything is either OMG AWESOME BEST GAME EVER or OMG ID RATHER GET AIDS THEN PLAY THAT GAME AGAIN!

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Posté 14 janvier 2014 - 07:19

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wolfstanus wrote...

I hate hipster gamers and knee jerk overreacting gamers.

I remember going on amazon and seeing me3 reviews (slamming and bashing then rating it a 1) a number of those reviews had been done by peoplecreating multiple amazon accounts to get me3 the worst rating ever when the game didn't deserve such a rating. Peoples knees are still jerking 2 years later. Ok the game didn't live up to your golden thro e expectations and so that means it's the worst game ever. Worse than superman 64 and worse than E.T. etc


Because I'm totally talking about Mass Effect 3.

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Posté 14 janvier 2014 - 07:23

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You must have reading comprehension problems. I was using it as an example.


Most gamers set their expecationts too Damn high and when it dorsntbmeet their unrealistic expectations they rage.

On the other thing about pre orders. You judge people based on them pre ordering a game before its out.... Well I have a few things for that problem...:devil:

Modifié par wolfstanus, 14 janvier 2014 - 07:26 .

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Posté 14 janvier 2014 - 07:35

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wolfstanus wrote...

You must have reading comprehension problems. I was using it as an example.


Most gamers set their expecationts too Damn high and when it dorsntbmeet their unrealistic expectations they rage.

On the other thing about pre orders. You judge people based on them pre ordering a game before its out.... Well I have a few things for that problem...:devil:


I guess expecting the games we buy being polished and not prone to crash and be a bug fest is unreasonable from us gamers.

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Posté 14 janvier 2014 - 07:42

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I don't base purchases on reviews, so no. I have an incredible ability to know what I'm going to like just by doing my own research before a game comes out. Something called instincts that I trust. I don't let people think for me with their opinions, I form my own. With the incredible flow of information on the internet these days, I can look at enough gameplay videos/previews to know if I'm going to enjoy a game or hate it. 99% of the time, I'm right in making that pre-order purchase. Very rarely am I disappointed. I only pre-order games I absolutely know I'll enjoy.

I don't flipping give a damn what some regular joe has to say about his own video game opinion. People put way too much stock into "professional" game reviews and also criticize them too much. It's a single person's opinion...naturally it's going to be different than your own. That's why you shouldn't be basing purchases on them. Do your own research and think for yourself. Nothing can stay hidden from the internet anymore.

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Posté 14 janvier 2014 - 08:07

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Buying pre-orders for videogames is a complete scam. As is "data charges" on a smartphone or "insurance" on a dishwasher. People who fall for these price-gouging tactics deserve to be bamboozled

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Posté 14 janvier 2014 - 08:16

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Har har har.

Why would I trust a reviewer when more and more games (like Ubisoft games, for instance) are being shown with actual gameplay rather than the age-old CGI trailers?

I still pre-order games and I don't intend to stop, because I've never been disappointed. I will note however that I don't pre-order willy-nilly, I do it only with games I'm fairly certain I'll like.

Edit: Wow, $1,000 bucks a month on games? That's almost unfathomable. Even $200. Though I still pre-order, I pre-order around 3 or 4 titles a year.

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Posté 14 janvier 2014 - 08:18

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deuce985 wrote...

Nothing can stay hidden from the internet anymore.


Except the Bat-cave. No one really knows where the Bat-cave is.

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Cyonan wrote...

I think we'll be seeing a lot of problems from projects that people liked the idea of but the developers are complete unknowns.

Projects like the ones from Obsidian or Chris Roberts I suspect will do much better. We all know that they know what they're doing when it comes to their respective genres.

I am interested in seeing how Star Citizen turns out though with how much money it's managed to pull in.


I'm worried about Star Citizen, personally. I haven't backed it, but it's something I definitely am interested in picking up once the whole private server thing is completely confirmed as being offline--but anyway.

It's too big. It's just too big. If you look at all the stretch goals it's ballooned into something absolutely ginormous and so much more than the original "vision." I know they claim that the stretch goalds are all things they had in mind, but I don't believe that for a second. 35 of them? No. They're suffering the best and the worst forms of feature creep. Best because it's the result of more money, not simply deciding to add more stuff, and worst because it's expanding the scope at far too large of a rate.

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Posté 14 janvier 2014 - 08:31

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>Implying I've ever pre-ordered anything

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Posté 14 janvier 2014 - 08:37

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Gaming down here is expensive a new release game usually cost between $100 - $120 and that can be for the regular edition, that said I usually by at least two or three games a year so its not really a problem for me and I usually pre-order from franchises I like.

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Posté 14 janvier 2014 - 09:52

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M25105 wrote...

wolfstanus wrote...

You must have reading comprehension problems. I was using it as an example.


Most gamers set their expecationts too Damn high and when it dorsntbmeet their unrealistic expectations they rage.

On the other thing about pre orders. You judge people based on them pre ordering a game before its out.... Well I have a few things for that problem...:devil:


I guess expecting the games we buy being polished and not prone to crash and be a bug fest is unreasonable from us gamers.


Who doesn't like a bug fest?

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Posté 14 janvier 2014 - 01:18

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There will always be a game that deserves a pre-order for me. It's good to be cautiously optimistic but sometimes I think there's room enough for being downright optimistic about a game.

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Posté 14 janvier 2014 - 01:26

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TheChris92 wrote...

There will always be a game that deserves a pre-order for me. It's good to be cautiously optimistic but sometimes I think there's room enough for being downright optimistic about a game.


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