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[Hellion Rex]

Beerfish wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

mx_keep13 wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

Mages are notoriously poor cooks. Do we want a society ruled by people who force us all to eat only Ramen and Kraft dinner?

So they eat like a college freshman?

Hey now! I can cook a multiple course meal in my dorm!!

Course 1 plain Ramen
Course 2 Ramen with crackers
Course 3 Ramen and broccoli
Course 4 Ramen and cheese cubes.

Watch it, buster! And for the record, I hate ramen. Tis for peasants!

Modifié par eluvianix, 13 janvier 2014 - 10:23 .

[OctagonalSquare]

If we were talking about, say, The Elder Scrolls, I'd give my full support. TES mages have virtually no downside. But DA mages can be possessed by demons and things like that. I don't think mages should be forbidden from holding seats of power, but I'd rather not run the risk of a bunch of demons ruling Thedas.

[drake heath]

Mages do rule in TES, because everyone can use magic.

[Rotward]

HiroVoid wrote...

If they were so great, they'd already be ruling the world.

They did, for a while, remember. The chantry has to kidnap them as children to prevent this from happening again.

Except, not realy, because the full extent of Thedas is less than a continent, based on the maps. There's got to be more to their world, else Thedas is scaled like Pluto. 

drake heath wrote...

Mages do rule in TES, because everyone can use magic.

Shhh, you'll hurt the Dwarve's feelings. 

Modifié par Rotward, 13 janvier 2014 - 10:57 .

[tybert7]

Sir JK wrote...

Because the ability to kill does not make you a leader. It makes you a bully.

Not just kill, CREATE too.  They have the power to raise and lower mountains, to turn sand into glass with their minds, to reshape the earth with their power.  They should rule as mortal demigods.

[The Elder King]

tybert7 wrote...

Sir JK wrote...

Because the ability to kill does not make you a leader. It makes you a bully.

Not just kill, CREATE too.  They have the power to raise and lower mountains, to turn sand into glass with their minds, to reshape the earth with their power.  They should rule as mortal demigods.

They don't, at least not alone. They can do massive feats together, with the use of great quantity of lyrium and/or sacrifices.
Mages are pretty powerful, but with their personal strenght alone they're far from being as powerful as you said.

Modifié par hhh89, 13 janvier 2014 - 11:10 .

[Barrendall]

Can mages kill a Yak from 200 yards away with mind bullets? Cause that would be impressive. I might actually consider voting them into office.

Modifié par Barrendall111, 14 janvier 2014 - 02:12 .

[CybAnt1]

They did. It was called the Tevinter Imperium, and the Magisters ruled it. And BTW, it practiced slavery of elves and other humans.... well, not unlike the real world Roman Empire.

And it fell. How much you want to blame that on Andraste is up to you. 

Modifié par CybAnt1, 13 janvier 2014 - 11:09 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

This again?

If you arguing that mages should rule on moral grounds, then having magic doesn't make you a better leader.

If you are arguing mages should rule because might makes right and mages are more powerful than mundanes, then the very fact that mundanes are able to keep them shackled proves they aren't strong enough to deserve to lead.

[The Elder King]

CybAnt1 wrote...

They did. It was called the Tevinter Imperium, and the Magisters ruled it. And BTW, it practiced slavery of elves and other humans.... well, not unlike the real world Roman Empire.

And it fell. How much you want to blame that on Andraste is up to you. 

The centuries-long First Blight probably had a lot of influence in the decline of the Imperium. In my opinion more than Andraste.

[Lulupab]

CybAnt1 wrote...

They did. It was called the Tevinter Imperium, and the Magisters ruled it. And BTW, it practiced slavery of elves and other humans.... well, not unlike the real world Roman Empire.

And it fell. How much you want to blame that on Andraste is up to you. 

I think the similarity to Roman Empire is huge. Because the Tevinters never made a Tevinter citizen a slave, they were elven and dwarven citizens as well and they were not a slave. I think it has more to do with their nationalism which still exists today than anything else. 

[Lulupab]

hhh89 wrote...

CybAnt1 wrote...

They did. It was called the Tevinter Imperium, and the Magisters ruled it. And BTW, it practiced slavery of elves and other humans.... well, not unlike the real world Roman Empire.

And it fell. How much you want to blame that on Andraste is up to you. 

The centuries-long First Blight probably had a lot of influence in the decline of the Imperium. In my opinion more than Andraste.

The chant of light itself claims Maker helped Andraste by doing things like making all Tevinter crops die. This is nothing short of using magic to beat magic.

[Br3admax]

Rassler wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

CybAnt1 wrote...

They did. It was called the Tevinter Imperium, and the Magisters ruled it. And BTW, it practiced slavery of elves and other humans.... well, not unlike the real world Roman Empire.

And it fell. How much you want to blame that on Andraste is up to you. 

The centuries-long First Blight probably had a lot of influence in the decline of the Imperium. In my opinion more than Andraste.

The chant of light itself claims Maker helped Andraste by doing things like making all Tevinter crops die. This is nothing short of using magic to beat magic.

Or the Blight tainted the lands. You know, because it's a blight. 

[Lulupab]

Br3ad wrote...

Rassler wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

CybAnt1 wrote...

They did. It was called the Tevinter Imperium, and the Magisters ruled it. And BTW, it practiced slavery of elves and other humans.... well, not unlike the real world Roman Empire.

And it fell. How much you want to blame that on Andraste is up to you. 

The centuries-long First Blight probably had a lot of influence in the decline of the Imperium. In my opinion more than Andraste.

The chant of light itself claims Maker helped Andraste by doing things like making all Tevinter crops die. This is nothing short of using magic to beat magic.

Or the Blight tainted the lands. You know, because it's a blight. 

Yeah, maybe its garbage like everything else chant of light says and Andraste was simply a woman who took advantage of a situation and nothing about her was "holy".

[The Elder King]

Rassler wrote...

hhh89 wrote...
The centuries-long First Blight probably had a lot of influence in the decline of the Imperium. In my opinion more than Andraste.

The chant of light itself claims Maker helped Andraste by doing things like making all Tevinter crops die. This is nothing short of using magic to beat magic.

I know what the Chant stated. We don't know if it's true or not (and if it was really the Maker, that's not about magic beating magic, but a god beating mortals). What we know is that during the first Blight the darskpawn was present on the Imperium for nearly two centuries (and during one there were no GW to counterattack them). The damages the Imperium suffered during the Blight was massive. Ferelden haven't fully recovered after 10 years from a Blight that dured one. Andraste attacked the Imperium after 28 years. The Imperium didn't recover and wasn't in a good condition when Andraste attacked, so I'd say it was a lot important, regardless if Andraste was a simple woman, a mage or had the Maker as a weapon.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Mages do rule the world look at there hats.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

- because the needs of the many come first, and the many need freedom/protection from slavery and blood-sacrifices.

Why do you think the many deserve that protection?  If the mages are able to protect themselves, why would they feel compelled to help those who cannot?

Err...

So that contributing members of society do not go to waste as slaves or corpses at the hands of beings far ore powerful than they could ever hope to be (blood-mages, abominations). Not to mention both things being terrible tragedies.

[St. Victorious]

Barrendall111 wrote...

Can mages kill a Yak from 200 yards away with mind bullets? Cause that would actually be impressive. I might actually consider voting them into office.

That's telekinesis, Kyle!

Seriously mages ruling would be like be like a military state. Just because you have the biggest gun doesn't mean you know how to properly use it. 

[DRTJR]

Pre-Blight Tevinter was that already, they kind of let it get to their heads, that said they probably wouldn't screw up as badly as they did if they had another swing at it.

[Knight of Dane]

No one should rule anyone.

[The Baconer]

Brute strength, especially applied by a minority that is vastly outnumbered by the general population, will only get you so far. Look at what happened to the Imperium of old. If it weren't for the genius play by Maferath they probably would have ended up in a much weaker position than they are today.

Look to the sorcerers and sorceresses in The Witcher, the Mortalitasi of Nevarra, the seers of Rivain, or the Keepers of the Dalish. It is much more prudent and efficient to have the mundanes come to rely on the mages in some fashion.

[Vort3xX]

Let's bring some anarchy to this dreary world instead.

Modifié par Vort3xX, 14 janvier 2014 - 02:32 .

[coldflame]

eluvianix wrote...

mx_keep13 wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

Mages are notoriously poor cooks. Do we want a society ruled by people who force us all to eat only Ramen and Kraft dinner?

So they eat like a college freshman?

Hey now! I can cook a multiple course meal in my dorm!!

Ok having a piece of toast, instant soup mix, microwave dinner and ice cream does not count as "cook a multiple course meal"...

Modifié par tcgtqu, 14 janvier 2014 - 03:36 .

[lordsaren101]

Mages should rule. Might makes right, and mages have all the might.

[Rotward]

Lordheydrich wrote...

Mages should rule. Might makes right, and mages have all the might.

Mages should work out, first. Have you seen how scrawny they are? Except Orsino, that dude should have been a basketball player.