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[coldflame]

Bail_Darilar wrote...

If that were the case Tevinter would be detroying the Qunari but lo and behold it's a stalemate.

You do know that Qunari got their own mages right?

[jaza]

tcgtqu wrote...

Bail_Darilar wrote...

If that were the case Tevinter would be detroying the Qunari but lo and behold it's a stalemate.

You do know that Qunari got their own mages right?

I'm sure the gunpowder, or gatlok as they call it, helps too.

[Mr.House]

Bail_Darilar wrote...

If that were the case Tevinter would be detroying the Qunari but lo and behold it's a stalemate.

Qunari have mages and gunpowder, so ya...

Modifié par Mr.House, 14 janvier 2014 - 10:03 .

[KiwiQuiche]

I think you should rule if you have the the mind and the commonsense to rule the world. Not because of your abilities, be it magical or swordplay.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

lol mages, they are too squishy to rule anything.

[Bail_Darilar]

Mr.House wrote...

Bail_Darilar wrote...

If that were the case Tevinter would be detroying the Qunari but lo and behold it's a stalemate.

Qunari have mages and gunpowder, so ya...

Yeah but the Qunari mages aren't as capable as Tevinter mages as they are seen as little more than weapons/tools and aren't officialy trained in magic. The Tevinter also use non-mages within their ranks as well, hinting at their necessity to fight against an army primarily consisting of non-mages.

[Bail_Darilar]

tcgtqu wrote...

Bail_Darilar wrote...

If that were the case Tevinter would be detroying the Qunari but lo and behold it's a stalemate.

You do know that Qunari got their own mages right?

As I said to someone else the Qunari mages aren't as well trained as Tevinter mages. Whereas the Tevinter mages revel in their power and are likely more refinedm the Qunaari mages are seen as little more than tools or weapons and are unlikyl to be trained so as to restrict the danger they potentialy pose to Qunari society.

[Lulupab]

Bail_Darilar wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Bail_Darilar wrote...

If that were the case Tevinter would be detroying the Qunari but lo and behold it's a stalemate.

Qunari have mages and gunpowder, so ya...

Yeah but the Qunari mages aren't as capable as Tevinter mages as they are seen as little more than weapons/tools and aren't officialy trained in magic. The Tevinter also use non-mages within their ranks as well, hinting at their necessity to fight against an army primarily consisting of non-mages.

Not to mention most none-mages in Tevinter army are supplied with lyrium to gain some magical talents just like the Templars. But they are not templars.

I hear Tevinter is the only place on Thedas where chantry does not control lyrium trade. You can practically buy it from market.

Modifié par Rassler, 14 janvier 2014 - 12:26 .

[The Elder King]

@Rassler: where it was stated that non-mage soldiers in Tevinter are supplied with lyrium and use templar-similar abilities?
I don't even see the utility of making part of your army lyrium addicted, since the Tevinter main's enemies are generally non-mages, and templars abilities are useless against them.

Modifié par hhh89, 14 janvier 2014 - 01:07 .

[CybAnt1]

I think templars are the only non-mages who seem to be using blue lyrium. (It's not to say others couldn't, potentially, but so far it's only them, no one else has figured out a way.)

There seems to be some evidence that all non-dwarven non-mages might gain quasi-magical abilities through red lyrium (we don't know for sure about elves or Qunari yet) ... but at a cost.

Yes, who knows, it's just another guess, but red lyrium could tip the equation for mage supremacy, however as with many things in this world, only by creating new dangers. I'm really curious to find out what's going on with the red templars in this third game. And just where else it is people have figured out it can be found.

[Magdalena11]

CybAnt1 wrote...

I think templars are the only non-mages who seem to be using blue lyrium. (It's not to say others couldn't, potentially, but so far it's only them, no one else has figured out a way.)

There seems to be some evidence that all non-dwarven non-mages might gain quasi-magical abilities through red lyrium (we don't know for sure about elves or Qunari yet) ... but at a cost.

Yes, who knows, it's just another guess, but red lyrium could tip the equation for mage supremacy, however as with many things in this world, only by creating new dangers. I'm really curious to find out what's going on with the red templars in this third game. And just where else it is people have figured out it can be found.

I am convinced that all lyrium gives templars at least limited access to the fade's magic and red lyrium is capable of turning the red templars into something like abominations.  I think templars are going to be busy enough fighting the problems this would cause in their own ranks to mount an effective defense against the mages, who are still going to be dealing with their own dissention after the spit with the chantry.

[Jaison1986]

Magdalena11 wrote...

CybAnt1 wrote...

I think templars are the only non-mages who seem to be using blue lyrium. (It's not to say others couldn't, potentially, but so far it's only them, no one else has figured out a way.)

There seems to be some evidence that all non-dwarven non-mages might gain quasi-magical abilities through red lyrium (we don't know for sure about elves or Qunari yet) ... but at a cost.

Yes, who knows, it's just another guess, but red lyrium could tip the equation for mage supremacy, however as with many things in this world, only by creating new dangers. I'm really curious to find out what's going on with the red templars in this third game. And just where else it is people have figured out it can be found.

I am convinced that all lyrium gives templars at least limited access to the fade's magic and red lyrium is capable of turning the red templars into something like abominations.  I think templars are going to be busy enough fighting the problems this would cause in their own ranks to mount an effective defense against the mages, who are still going to be dealing with their own dissention after the spit with the chantry.

If you watch the second version of the PAX demo released not too long ago, you can notice that when the Inquisitor watches the assault at Crestwood, the red templars are literally launching magical blasts against the village. So yes, I think this theory that regular lyrium gives limited magical abilities and red lyrium giving wider ones is pretty believable.

[Lulupab]

hhh89 wrote...

@Rassler: where it was stated that non-mage soldiers in Tevinter are supplied with lyrium and use templar-similar abilities?
I don't even see the utility of making part of your army lyrium addicted, since the Tevinter main's enemies are generally non-mages, and templars abilities are useless against them.

Not like that. Many Tevinter soldiers are bald with tattoos on their heads. The tattoos are not that big but they do exist. I believe these tattoos are made of lyrium, or at least partly made of lyrium. They protect against mind control and grant magic resistance and enhance the person's focus in battle. Fenris was an exception as he had tattoos everywhere on his body, that is very expensive and time consuming. They also use enchanted weapons imbued with lyrium capable of stuff like burning things they become in touch with. They don't drink or inject lyrium to be addicted to it. 

[EmperorSahlertz]

Soldiers like Fenris with Lyrium imbued tattoos are rare. We have no reason to believe that the Tevinters would waste their precious Lyrium on lowly rank and file.

[EmperorSahlertz]

KainD wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Because if you draw conclusions based on opinions instead of facts, then you sholdn't be in any posistion where your opinion matters to begin with.

No, not on opinions, on opinion, there's a difference. Opinions don't matter, opinion does. 

Even more reason to never let you in a posistion of leadership. Ever.

[Hellion Rex]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Soldiers like Fenris with Lyrium imbued tattoos are rare. We have no reason to believe that the Tevinters would waste their precious Lyrium on lowly rank and file.

Indeed. I though Fenris was the only one though? Or do they do the same for some of their soldiers?

[Silfren]

eluvianix wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Soldiers like Fenris with Lyrium imbued tattoos are rare. We have no reason to believe that the Tevinters would waste their precious Lyrium on lowly rank and file.

Indeed. I though Fenris was the only one though? Or do they do the same for some of their soldiers?

He might be the only one, but I'd think that having such a slave would be a mark of a Magister's power, wealth, and influence; something that any Magister would be vying to acquire.

[The Elder King]

Rassler wrote...

Not like that. Many Tevinter soldiers are bald with tattoos on their heads. The tattoos are not that big but they do exist. I believe these tattoos are made of lyrium, or at least partly made of lyrium. They protect against mind control and grant magic resistance and enhance the person's focus in battle. Fenris was an exception as he had tattoos everywhere on his body, that is very expensive and time consuming. They also use enchanted weapons imbued with lyrium capable of stuff like burning things they become in touch with. They don't drink or inject lyrium to be addicted to it. 

So it's your interpretation, not a fact. Those tattoos could be normal. There's no evidence they're lyrium tattoos.
Fenris's abilities  supposed to be very rare, and I don remember ever reading that lyrium carvings protect against mind control. 
It's an interesting theory, but for now I believe that they're simply tattoos.

[The Elder King]

Silfren wrote...

He might be the only one, but I'd think that having such a slave would be a mark of a Magister's power, wealth, and influence; something that any Magister would be vying to acquire.

I think it could be so. Fenris stated his talents were rare,  not unique. 

[Hellion Rex]

hhh89 wrote...

Rassler wrote...

Not like that. Many Tevinter soldiers are bald with tattoos on their heads. The tattoos are not that big but they do exist. I believe these tattoos are made of lyrium, or at least partly made of lyrium. They protect against mind control and grant magic resistance and enhance the person's focus in battle. Fenris was an exception as he had tattoos everywhere on his body, that is very expensive and time consuming. They also use enchanted weapons imbued with lyrium capable of stuff like burning things they become in touch with. They don't drink or inject lyrium to be addicted to it. 

So it's your interpretation, not a fact. Those tattoos could be normal. There's no evidence they're lyrium tattoos.
Fenris's abilities  supposed to be very rare, and I don remember ever reading that lyrium carvings protect against mind control. 
It's an interesting theory, but for now I believe that they're simply tattoos.

It's very possible that those tattoos can act like wards, similar to the binding circle of runes Pharamond used to contain a pride demon. Granted, I don't think that they can stop full on mind control, but I bet they could raise a person's mental or physical resistances, like glyphs placed upon the skin.

Modifié par eluvianix, 14 janvier 2014 - 03:01 .

[The Elder King]

@eluvianix: are those tattoos stated to be magical or lyrium-based? I guess those soldiers' images are present in WoT.

[Hellion Rex]

hhh89 wrote...

@eluvianix: are those tattoos stated to be magical or lyrium-based? I guess those soldiers' images are present in WoT.

Actually, no. I don't recall the tattoos being present in the WoT. I think the tattoos are magical, but not lyrium based. I believe the power is in the glyphs being drawn, not the material or ink that was used. Heck, they could even be blood tattoos.

[The Elder King]

eluvianix wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

@eluvianix: are those tattoos stated to be magical or lyrium-based? I guess those soldiers' images are present in WoT.

Actually, no. I don't recall the tattoos being present in the WoT. I think the tattoos are magical, but not lyrium based. I believe the power is in the glyphs being drawn, not the material or ink that was used. Heck, they could even be blood tattoos.

I see. But where does tattoos appear, or who talked about them? I don't recall a scene/codex where a soldier from Tevinter has those.

[Hellion Rex]

hhh89 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

@eluvianix: are those tattoos stated to be magical or lyrium-based? I guess those soldiers' images are present in WoT.

Actually, no. I don't recall the tattoos being present in the WoT. I think the tattoos are magical, but not lyrium based. I believe the power is in the glyphs being drawn, not the material or ink that was used. Heck, they could even be blood tattoos.

I see. But where does tattoos appear, or who talked about them? I don't recall a scene/codex where a soldier from Tevinter has those.

In all honesty, the only place I can recall seeing them was in...Heroes of Dragon Age maybe. Or maybe they were in WoT and I just missed them entirely. I am back at college, and my WoT is at home, so I can't double check.

[dragonflight288]

hhh89 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

@eluvianix: are those tattoos stated to be magical or lyrium-based? I guess those soldiers' images are present in WoT.

Actually, no. I don't recall the tattoos being present in the WoT. I think the tattoos are magical, but not lyrium based. I believe the power is in the glyphs being drawn, not the material or ink that was used. Heck, they could even be blood tattoos.

I see. But where does tattoos appear, or who talked about them? I don't recall a scene/codex where a soldier from Tevinter has those.

Fenris: Warriors such as myself are rare, even in Tevinter.

I'm betting that only the most skilled warriors would apply, but the tattoos, be they lyrium and/or wards, would be VERY expensive to apply to a single person.