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[Medhia Nox]

If I ever have to play as a Tevinter magister - I want only mage slaves doing household chores.

There's a kind of poetry to that... mages forced to do menial work.

Their reward for good behavior is that they can watch me use magic.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 14 janvier 2014 - 07:35 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

KainD wrote...

Why anyone would need anything besides their own opinion to solidify theit stance is beyond me.

Why would you hold the opinion in the first place, without some sort of evidence for it?

[AlexanderCousland]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Mages can barely control themselves, let alone the entire world.

Biased statement. Mage's controlled the world far longer then the mundane' s have. It's been suggested in World of Thedas Vol.1  that Tevinter would have considerably more territory if they were not at war with Qunari. 

I like the Chantry/State system Thedas currently has. I think reform is in order.

Modifié par FreshIstay, 14 janvier 2014 - 07:54 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I don't believe it does suggest that in World of Thedas. Or I don't remember it. Unless you count Seheron, I guess.

The Imperium was born in -1195 Ancient. Andraste's Exalted March overthrew their rule of much of Thedas about a thousand years later. The time that the Chantry and it's predecessors ruled Thedas was about another thousand years. So at best mages have ruled the world the same amount as mundanes.

[Cainhurst Crow]

So...why shouldn't this thread be spammed with illicit images?

[Peer of the Empire]

They are depraved demon worshippers, and must be put down

[The Elder King]

Peer of the Empire wrote...

They are depraved demon worshippers, and must be put down

I don't recall one mage that worshipped demons.

[Hellion Rex]

hhh89 wrote...

Peer of the Empire wrote...

They are depraved demon worshippers, and must be put down

I don't recall one mage that worshipped demons.

Um...Tarohne kinda worshipped Xebenkeck...other than that, I am out of ideas.

[The Elder King]

eluvianix wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Peer of the Empire wrote...

They are depraved demon worshippers, and must be put down

I don't recall one mage that worshipped demons.

Um...Tarohne kinda worshipped Xebenkeck...other than that, I am out of ideas.

Thanks, I forgot about her. Though she wasn't exactly the poster girl for sanity.

Modifié par hhh89, 14 janvier 2014 - 09:28 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

I believe that demon worshippers are mentioned in passing with Dragon Cults and the like. Certainly it shouldn't come as any surprise that people would be willing to worship demons, given the considerable power some demons wield.

[The Elder King]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

I believe that demon worshippers are mentioned in passing with Dragon Cults and the like. Certainly it shouldn't come as any surprise that people would be willing to worship demons, given the considerable power some demons wield.

I didn't mean that there might not be demon worshippers. But the vast majority of mages we met in the games aren't, so call them demon worshippers, as Peer of the Empire did, is wrong.

[Hellion Rex]

hhh89 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Peer of the Empire wrote...

They are depraved demon worshippers, and must be put down

I don't recall one mage that worshipped demons.

Um...Tarohne kinda worshipped Xebenkeck...other than that, I am out of ideas.

Thanks, I forgot about her. Though she wasn't exactly the poster girl for sanity.

Also, she was a desire demon, and I bet there are definitely some cults out there that revere such creatures.

[The Elder King]

@eluvianix: I clarified my stance. I didn't mean that there aren't demon worshippers between mages. I meant that since the vast majority we know of weren't, it's wrong to call everyone as such.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Oh... Move along then...

[dragonflight288]

I normally advocate more mage freedom than they have in the Circle system, but I don't think it'll be a good idea to let mages rule the world. I don't trust any politician anyway, as power has a very strong inclination to corrupt those who wield it, so why on earth should I grant political power to people who already have more power than the average person?

Society already separates itself as mages and anyone who isn't, and mages tend to think of themselves as their own group with various subgroups (elves, libertarians, lucrosians, etc,) and many mages, while they want to live life on their own terms, enough of them may get involved for things that'll benefit them, and them alone (meaning mages.) If that happens, ultimately you run the risk of another Tevinter.

[Icy Magebane]

You know, if it weren't for the Qunari attacking them for 300 years or so, the Tevinters would probably have already conquered most of Thedas again. It may seem inevitable that mages will rule the world because of their immense power, but they are very badly outnumbered and unorganized, so that's probably not going to happen. Now, if a group of isolationists just left Thedas and found a new continent to start over on, without all of this interference, then mages would obviously dominate the world in a few centuries... Now that the Circles are supposedly overthrown, it's probably smarter to try to leave Thedas than stay and fight, but that probably won't happen. I know I wouldn't stay and try to change anything if I were in that position.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

That's almost certainly not true. The Imperium didn't reconquer the rest of Thedas in the 600 years before that. They simply do not have the might they once had.

[Icy Magebane]

@Jedi Master of Orion - Well it takes time to rebuild after your empire is completely broken and reduced to less than half it's original size... And ultimately that got interrupted by the Qunari, no? Mages once ruled the known world and could do it again, but they need some space to start things up again. Historically, the Tevinters have been at odds with everyone on the continent after their empire's initial collapse, so adding another, even more powerful faction to the mix means that they are just way too outnumbered to return to power. If they weren't completely surrounded on all sides, who knows what might have been.

Also, I mention the Qunari because that's what's hindering them right now.  Before that it was recovering from the first war, then Blights and Exhalted Marches.  When they gained even a small measure of stability, the freaking Qunari show up to throw a monkey wrench in their plans, and they haven't stopped attacking...

Modifié par Icy Magebane, 14 janvier 2014 - 11:16 .

[DarthSliver]

I think mages need a bit more freedom than what the Circle can offer, Circle should only be used as a place to learn Magic like a school. You there from 8am to 3pm type thing. Templars can still be used to police the mages but they too need more limitations on their control over mages, its reckless Templars like Meredith that brought this war down on Thedas. War in itself shows that Mages need to be govern by a political party like the King not by religious Zealots from the chantry.

Mages shouldn't rule the world but they need more freedom and be treated as a equal human being.

[Karlone123]

If Mages are weak enough and lack the will to rebel against people who do not wield magic power themselves and choose to cry about it for a thousand years, then do they deserve to rule the world? What is POWER when all it does is cry?

Modifié par Karlone123, 14 janvier 2014 - 11:32 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Icy Magebane wrote...

@Jedi Master of Orion - Well it takes time to rebuild after your empire is completely broken and reduced to less than half it's original size... And ultimately that got interrupted by the Qunari, no? Mages once ruled the known world and could do it again, but they need some space to start things up again. Historically, the Tevinters have been at odds with everyone on the continent after their empire's initial collapse, so adding another, even more powerful faction to the mix means that they are just way too outnumbered to return to power. If they weren't completely surrounded on all sides, who knows what might have been.

Also, I mention the Qunari because that's what's hindering them right now.  Before that it was recovering from the first war, then Blights and Exhalted Marches.  When they gained even a small measure of stability, the freaking Qunari show up to throw a monkey wrench in their plans, and they haven't stopped attacking...

If they couldn't do rebuild their empire in size in the six centuries before the Qunari showed up, why could they do it in the three that followed? I think if it takes a thousand years to rebuild, then their decline is permanent.

The Imperium's holdings outside Tevinter collapsed in relatively quick succession after Andraste. They were never able to regain any of it because their strength has been steadily erroding for centuries. Even by the time of the Second Blight they didn't seem to be strongest nation of Thedas anymore.

[KainD]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Even more reason to never let you in a posistion of leadership. Ever.

I was never a leader, and was never interested in being one. I do not care about what others do, only about what I do, and the limits I have. 

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Why would you hold the opinion in the first place, without some sort of evidence for it?

I do not need other peoples opinions as evidence now do I? 

[coldflame]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Why would you hold the opinion in the first place, without some sort of evidence for it?

I don't know which world you came from but from our world, this actually happened quite often.