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[ruggly]

NeonFlux117 wrote...
It also makes Cerberus appear to be directly involved with everything happening in Mass Effect, like they're some sort of super group that operates in all these places, lol. 

That's the majority of the criticism I've read.  I've never read any of the ME EU stuff, but the general concensus seems to be that Drew K's books are alright, but Mac's comics could be better.

[Obadiah]

One of the forumites got a straight response from Random House on this:
http://social.biowar...7988/2#17743894

Shadewe...

I contacted Random House and got this response:

Good day,

Thank you for contacting Random House Consumer Services. We appreciate your interest in our publications.

Currently our systems do not indicate any future print dates for Mass Effect: Deception. If you would like to contact the author to ask him personally about a rewrite, you can contact him by mailing the following address:

William C. Dietz

Random House
c/o Ballantine Publicity Department
1745 Broadway
New York, NY 10019

Thank you for your time, patience and understanding.

Respectfully,
Random House Consumer Services

Modifié par Obadiah, 14 janvier 2014 - 03:03 .

[Ieldra]

Han Shot First wrote...
To be fair I don't think Walters had anything to do with Deception. It was written by William C. Dietz, a Sci Fi writer with no previous connection to Bioware or Mass Effect.

That isn't to say that Bioware isn't to blame for Deception however, just that after ME3 Walters is all too often unfairly blamed for things he had little or nothing to do with it.

I also think Drew is highly overrated.

Indeed. Drew K's books are bad. His plots are ok, but his characterizations are atrocious, something which Walters tends to do better most of the time. It's just that the standards of books inspired by video games are so low that they don't stand out. On the positive side, Drew K knows his lore and sticks to it, most of the time, while Walters treats it with contempt.

I would buy an ME book of a quality compared to DA's "Asunder". That's the only book based on a Bioware game so far which holds up to the standards of writing which usually apply to standalone novels.    

Modifié par Ieldra2, 14 janvier 2014 - 03:00 .

[Han Shot First]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...
To be fair I don't think Walters had anything to do with Deception. It was written by William C. Dietz, a Sci Fi writer with no previous connection to Bioware or Mass Effect.

That isn't to say that Bioware isn't to blame for Deception however, just that after ME3 Walters is all too often unfairly blamed for things he had little or nothing to do with it.

I also think Drew is highly overrated.

Indeed. Drew K's books are bad. His plots are ok, but his characterizations are atrocious, something which Walters tends to do better most of the time. It's just that the standards of books inspired by video games are so low that they don't stand out. On the positive side, Drew K knows his lore and sticks to it, most of the time, while Walters treats it with contempt.

I think that is a good summation of both of their strengths and weaknesses as writers. Maybe they are better off as a team, a kind of yin and yang.

[crimzontearz]

Maybe SuperMac wants the book to stay as it is so his own writing looks better by comparison.

[dreamgazer]

Considering how little effect changing the book will have on sales, I'm not surprised at all that they didn't spend the money to reprint this thing. Doubt there's any underlying conspiracy beyond: "Who's actually gonna buy it?"

Every EU has its pariahs.

[Rusty Sandusky]

 I'd rather they keep Deception as it is just on the basis of the jokes that can be made off of it

[Axdinosaurx]

NeonFlux117 wrote...

ruggly wrote...

Are the foundation comics really that screwy?

I've only read 1 which is about Rasa AKA Mya Brook's origins. I thought it was alright, but I didn't really care about the character. I read the 2nd cause of Wrex... Well, more Mya and Leng... so weak. 

The last one I read was 3 which was Ash's story of Eden Prime. I thought it was pretty pointless and I was like. "Gee, where have I seen this before".... Oh right, I know.. Mass Effect 1. 

It also makes Cerberus appear to be directly involved with everything happening in Mass Effect, like they're some sort of super group that operates in all these places, lol. 

Cerberus in ME1 was a splinter group an alliance black ops, they had some power and pull, but really EXOGENI was the real bad one. 

But I guess not, cause now it's Super Mac's series... Uggghh. 

This, it seems like a weak attempt to shoehorn Kai leng and Maya Brooks into every part of the story to actually make them seem important when not many really cared about them before.

[Armass81]

I think they just wanna people to forget the whole deal. Theyre not going to do anything about the aptly named deception. I just hope they learned something, like not touching Dietz again with a 60 foot pole.

Modifié par Armass81, 14 janvier 2014 - 09:49 .

[crimzontearz]

This, it seems like a weak attempt to shoehorn Kai leng smilie and Maya Brooks smilie into every part of the story to actually make them seem important when not many really cared about them before.

Bioware's new MO


If people did not like it a first time give it to them again and again u til they realize WE know what hhey should like better than them

[NeonFlux117]

crimzontearz wrote...

This, it seems like a weak attempt to shoehorn Kai leng smilie and Maya Brooks smilie into every part of the story to actually make them seem important when not many really cared about them before.

Bioware's new MO


If people did not like it a first time give it to them again and again u til they realize WE know what hhey should like better than them

**cough, cough**, Extended cut, **cough**. 

[crimzontearz]

Not sure if sarcastic or serious....

[NeonFlux117]

crimzontearz wrote...

Not sure if sarcastic or serious....

Well..... I guess.... I should go. 

[crimzontearz]

Sorry, I am just not sure if you are agreeing with me and using the EC as an example or disagreeing with me and using the EC as an example

[NeonFlux117]

The extended cut sucked. And I was agreeing with you. The EC was just a "give em' more stuff they don't like and they'll swallow it cause it's free and stuff".

[crimzontearz]

Oh, then we agree.

Let us add that the condescending manner in which it was approached borderlined pure idiocy as well

[NeonFlux117]

crimzontearz wrote...

Oh, then we agree.

Let us add that the condescending manner in which it was approached borderlined pure idiocy as well

The Refuse choice shows this very well. 

You can't "win" the game if you don't "play" the game. 

Don't like our "choices" and you question our "art" and "integrity"... Well then you lose. 

[crimzontearz]

And to think that, honestly, I keep thinking to myself that if they FAKED that the IT was their plan all along they might even have been hailed as geniuses and the fans might have completely trusted them for the future



As a side nite I still think that the pre EC ending is textbook "torch the franchise and run" material

[NeonFlux117]

crimzontearz wrote...

And to think that, honestly, I keep thinking to myself that if they FAKED that the IT was their plan all along they might even have been hailed as geniuses and the fans might have completely trusted them for the future



As a side nite I still think that the pre EC ending is textbook "torch the franchise and run" material

They don't have the ballz to roll with IT. 

Even tho the Original Script had Shepard undergoing indoctrination and having to break free of it....

But you know. 

That script was written by Drew K. 

So.... Yeah. 


The Mass Effect series will evolve along the paths Mac desires.... 

Modifié par NeonFlux117, 14 janvier 2014 - 10:48 .

[crimzontearz]

Oh you mean the path of ART?

[Fiery Phoenix]

Dead on Arrival

[Captain Crash]

Obadiah wrote...

One of the forumites got a straight response from Random House on this:
http://social.biowar...7988/2#17743894

Shadewe...

I contacted Random House and got this response:

Good day,

Thank you for contacting Random House Consumer Services. We appreciate your interest in our publications.

Currently our systems do not indicate any future print dates for Mass Effect: Deception. If you would like to contact the author to ask him personally about a rewrite, you can contact him by mailing the following address:

William C. Dietz

Random House
c/o Ballantine Publicity Department
1745 Broadway
New York, NY 10019

Thank you for your time, patience and understanding.

Respectfully,
Random House Consumer Services

Yeah remember reading that when it was posted.  The fact the thread was quickly locked soon after in "get over it" sort of approach spoke more to me.



Mind you fixing Deception... I think they rather would just forget about it just like everyone else

[Obadiah]

I found a copy of Deception at the book store while I was on holiday and read it. It's not as bad as people said it was. Of course, BSN had set my expectations fairly low at that point.

Besides, even if the lore issues were corrected, the bulk of the story wouldn't change, and it will still be kind of downer.

[Oni Changas]

NeonFlux117 wrote...

If it ain't by Drew K I don't consider it part of the MEU...... That includes ME3.

Yeah. I said it. Deal with it.

BioWare doesn't care about Deception. BioWare lies all the time, this is no different.

It's the truth.

Lets just hope Walters can figure out his own lore for the next game, lol.

Despite my... interest in ME4 (the MP is literally half the reason that ME isn't dead in the water to me) I'll have to agree wholeheartedly. ME3 should just be ignored going forward. I'd love an actual war with the reapers where we're shown what's going on rather than repeatedly told.

[NeonFlux117]

OniTYME wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

If it ain't by Drew K I don't consider it part of the MEU...... That includes ME3.

Yeah. I said it. Deal with it.

BioWare doesn't care about Deception. BioWare lies all the time, this is no different.

It's the truth.

Lets just hope Walters can figure out his own lore for the next game, lol.

Despite my... interest in ME4 (the MP is literally half the reason that ME isn't dead in the water to me) I'll have to agree wholeheartedly. ME3 should just be ignored going forward. I'd love an actual war with the reapers where we're shown what's going on rather than repeatedly told.

Yeah, I'm in the same boat pretty much as you. The fantatic MP of ME3 was the only reason I didn't trade it in right after the EC was released, that and my crew of fellow N7 BAMF's that kept me fighint in the "galaxy at war". I am pretty excited about the MP aspect of ME4, Frostbite 3.0 is a gorgeous engine that works great for multiplayer-obviously.