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[Bail_Darilar]

Ok before anyone puts me down I'm not advocating for their return. Quite frankly as far as I'm concerned all they really need are cameos if anything at all for the next game. However I'm entirely convinced they will appear to an exent and here are the reasons I believe why:

1. Flemeth - She is too clever and manipulative to not be at least 3 steps ahead of everyone else. It cannot be a coincidence that she saved both the Warden and Hawke unless they served to further her mysterious plan, especially as it seems counter-productive to create some resistance against the fifth blight that (as Morrigan hinted) she may have helped to engineer and pointless to continue watching over Hawke through Sandal (?) unless he/she served to aid her beyond resurrecting her. As she seems to be featured in dragon form in the trailer it's likely she is to have a larger role in Inquisition. Furthermore both Hawke and the Warden seem to have disappeared which leads me to suspect that it's somehow related to her.

2. Apparently we'll be able to manipulate hero attributes in Dragon Age Keep. What would be the point unless they were to eventually feature in the game.

3. The epilogues for both previous games hinted that this isn't the end of their stories.

There are a few more reasons but they don't come to mind as of yet.

[Lulupab]

I think the chances of Hawke returning is higher than the warden because he is a much straight forward character. He is always human and there isn't much different choices to make on DA2. I think in manner of speaking there is only 2 kinds of Hawke; pro-templar and pro-mage. The rest of information about him are pretty much details.

[superdeathdealer14]

I wouldn't get your hopes up, Hawke maybe but the Warden is different you made him/her their personality, looks and who they are, what if in DAI they have a different personality then you thought they would have because of your choices or they totally stuff up how they look, I wouldn't want that. Would you?, it maybe possible for some players because of the choices they made but I doubt it. 

Modifié par superdeathdealer14, 14 janvier 2014 - 12:50 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

1.Flemeth is villain sue she should be removed as possible before this will become ridiculous (already is) and put realistic but competent villain not omnipotent who knows everything about everyone and what will happened and can't put ridiculous plans that always successful begone villain sue...

2.Not true you won't be able manipulate anything about warden or hawke in keep beyond basics like gender , class and origins they confirmed this in vid. 

3.In warden case it was typical riding into the sunset of typical(open ending for example your warden become farmer:devil:) rpg protagonist (blank protagonist that mostly everything is set up by player) then hero disappears because it was up to you and personality you created what he wants do and who she/he is.Hawke was more shepard and defined protagonist that had own personality traits so i can see that but still it isn't worth it.  

So i hope they won't bring them back because it will be only disappointment and destroy character that we created and played when it could be avoided.

Rassler wrote...

I think the chances of Hawke returning is
higher than the warden because he is a much straight forward character.
He is always human and there isn't much different choices to make on
DA2. I think in manner of speaking there is only 2 kinds of Hawke;
pro-templar and pro-mage. The rest of information about him are pretty
much details.

Not entirely when hawke was more like shepard and had many own personality traits hawke could be more than pro-templar or mage he could be neutral or don't give crap and well we have 3 personality sets.

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 14 janvier 2014 - 12:43 .

[Yendor_Trawz]

There will be some fanservice cameo stuff and maybe a quest or two will involve them some way, but this isn't Dragon Age: The Return of the Warden/Hawke thankfully. What you get might even depend on what is flagged from imports. New players get a glimpse of what they are doing now and imported characters a bit more.

I could handle minimal involvement. Let's keep this thing moving forward.

[The Elder King]

Rassler wrote...

I think the chances of Hawke returning is higher than the warden because he is a much straight forward character. He is always human and there isn't much different choices to make on DA2. I think in manner of speaking there is only 2 kinds of Hawke; pro-templar and pro-mage. The rest of information about him are pretty much details.

Not really. My Hakwe was neutral on the conflict, and even at the end he tried to reach compromise. He sided with the mages because they weren't involved with Anders's actions, not because he's pro-mage. I'd be disappointed if he's shown to be pro-mage.

[CybAnt1]

Some peoples' Wardens went through the Eluvian at the end of the last DA:O "Witch Hunt" DLC.

If s/he reappears, it means one of two things; this simply gets ignored, or we're going to have an answer to where the Eluvians go, and are able to return from it, because the Warden will have done so.

This is why I think that choice will get ignored. OR the Warden's not appearing.

If Hawke reappears, my guess would be as a cameo, where we'll finally hear him/her express regret over the mess s/he's created (mage-templar war).

Modifié par CybAnt1, 14 janvier 2014 - 01:35 .

[FreshRevenge]

I don't think cameos will work, unless bioware is going to allow us to create how they look, since we are able to create them in the other games. It would totally break the immersion if they looked totally opposite of how did in your previous playthroughs.

[CybAnt1]

I'm leaning against it happening. It's easier to do fan service by returning other characters who already have a defined gender and appearance.

I think the only way they can do it without a typical "but that wasn't my Warden/Hawke" backlash is to read the import save files and then generate the character. Too much effort for too small fan service, I suspect.

As always, we'll have to see.

Modifié par CybAnt1, 14 janvier 2014 - 01:41 .

[JCAP]

Cameos of Hawke? Maybe. Full return with conversations and more? Don't get your hopes up.

Cameos of the Warden? Don't get your hopes up.

[Rosey]

It's already been stated that our personal wardens and hawkes will not make a physical appearance. Idk why this thread keeps getting made.

[robertthebard]

CybAnt1 wrote...

Some peoples' Wardens went through the Eluvian at the end of the last DA:O "Witch Hunt" DLC.

If s/he reappears, it means one of two things; this simply gets ignored, or we're going to have an answer to where the Eluvians go, and are able to return from it, because the Warden will have done so.

This is why I think that choice will get ignored. OR the Warden's not appearing.

If Hawke reappears, my guess would be as a cameo, where we'll finally hear him/her express regret over the mess s/he's created (mage-templar war).

Let's evaluate this a bit:

Meredith was biased against mages due to events in her past.  How much of this is Hawke's fault?

How many mages did Hawke make tranquil?  On the flip side of this coin; how many Templars did Hawke turn into pseudo-abominations?  Just pulling things from the story line here, but in my games, the answer to both of these questions is a resounding zero (0).  This conflict has been brewing for centuries, and my Hawke is no where near that old; so how is this mess Hawke's fault again?  Wait, I know exactly how; Hawke stopped the Qunari from taking over Kirkwall.  If Hawke had ignored this, and rode off into the sunset in Act II, none of this would have ever happened, right?

[Jaison1986]

Gilliy wrote...

It's already been stated that our personal wardens and hawkes will not make a physical appearance. Idk why this thread keeps getting made.

Erm, were was this stated exactly? Because Bioware has been pretty ambiguous as far as I have seen.

[CybAnt1]

... I know we're, what, about 8 months out, and so maybe they want to keep a lid on game details, but perhaps they could put up a stickied FAQ thread at the top. (or put it on the official DAI page.)

I understand that complaint, but the reason why these threads get started is without official information channels, what people do and don't know varies.

There are a small number of things that have already been definitely stated and clarified; they could put those in initially, then add to the FAQ as more things are defined.

1. Will my personal Warden or Hawke reappear in DA:I?
A. No, ******, and your tears are our candy.

[CybAnt1]

so how is this mess Hawke's fault again?  Wait, I know exactly how; Hawke stopped the Qunari from taking over Kirkwall.  If Hawke had ignored this, and rode off into the sunset in Act II, none of this would have ever happened, right?

Oh no. What I think has been clear from day one is that mage-templar conflict is endemic to this world, has been for a long time, and surely might have passed the tipping point into open civil war without Hawke/Champion, but s/he acted as a catalyst for it. 

I even suspect Flemeth knew that with her powers of limited prophecy, and that is exactly why she saved us. 

IMHO, the main thing we did in DA2 is give Meredith red lyrium. (Not directly, of course, but it wound up in her hands.) Sure, she may have always been a bit of a hard ass, but that drove her insane. 

... Our/Hawke's (re)discovery of red lyrium looks to continue to be a problem for this world in the next game. 

[Ieldra]

Gilliy wrote...
It's already been stated that our personal wardens and hawkes will not make a physical appearance. Idk why this thread keeps getting made.

I think I've followed the news pretty closely, and IIRC there was no such statement by Bioware. I would remember, since I would be extremely delighted (in fact, one of my main worries about DAI would be removed) if that were true. Do you have a source for that?

To be precise, I would like some off-screen involvement of our Wardens and Hawkes, as long as they do things I wouldn't consider grossly out of character, and yes, there is evidence that this might happen, particularly that the comments at the end of DA2 hint that their involvement in the greater conflict isn't over. What I would NOT like would be for them to appear physically since they would have a standardized appearance and thus, from appearance alone, would not be my Wardens and Hawkes.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 14 janvier 2014 - 02:19 .

[robertthebard]

CybAnt1 wrote...

so how is this mess Hawke's fault again?  Wait, I know exactly how; Hawke stopped the Qunari from taking over Kirkwall.  If Hawke had ignored this, and rode off into the sunset in Act II, none of this would have ever happened, right?

Oh no. What I think has been clear from day one is that mage-templar conflict is endemic to this world, has been for a long time, and surely might have passed the tipping point into open civil war without Hawke/Champion, but s/he acted as a catalyst for it. 

I even suspect Flemeth knew that with her powers of limited prophecy, and that is exactly why she saved us. 

IMHO, the main thing we did in DA2 is give Meredith red lyrium. (Not directly, of course, but it wound up in her hands.) Sure, she may have always been a bit of a hard ass, but that drove her insane. 

... Our/Hawke's (re)discovery of red lyrium looks to continue to be a problem for this world in the next game. 

Possibly, but, w/out Hawke, that expedition would have gone anyway, presumably, since it was forming up, and we had beg and bribe our way in.  If not us, somebody else might have funded it, just on the off chance of striking it rich.  I don't doubt that red lyrium is going to come up again, but really, I think it would have found it's way in w/out us.

[ArtemisMoons]

There won't be a character creator in the keep and it's highly unlikely that the game's character creator will set aside space for two other characters other than the PC. That seems like a pretty good indication that neither Hawke nor the Warden will return.

Also people using the "Hawke's story doesn't seem finished bit" from the end of DA:2 seems to forget that originally there was a pretty big, important dlc that likely would have tied up his/her story and readied us for Inquisition.

[CybAnt1]

I like to think Bartrand & his other fools, possibly unfortunately Varric too, would have been wiped out long before they made it to the Primeval Thaig, without us and other companions joining the expedition.

Modifié par CybAnt1, 14 janvier 2014 - 02:28 .

[Ieldra]

ArtemisMoons wrote...
There won't be a character creator in the keep and it's highly unlikely that the game's character creator will set aside space for two other characters other than the PC. That seems like a pretty good indication that neither Hawke nor the Warden will return.

Hmm....I don't necessarily disagree that they won't return, but making the regular DAI character creator apply to two more characters appears like a rather small and quite doable feature to me.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 14 janvier 2014 - 02:32 .

[robertthebard]

CybAnt1 wrote...

I like to think Bartrand & his other fools, possibly unfortunately Varric too, would have been wiped out long before they made it to the Primeval Thaig, without us and other companions joining the expedition.

That's likely too.  However, my objection is "Hawke owning responsibility for the mage/Templar war"(paraphrased) that you postulated in the initial post I quoted.  Things between the mages and the Chantry have been going South since Origins, and probably prior to that, that's just all the timeline that I'm familiar with.  Lest we forget, there were other factors at play in Kirkwall other than red lyrium, such as the high number of abominations, due in part to things we only learn about in Codex entries, and have no direct contact with.

[ArtemisMoons]

I just really don't see them making the character creator for multiple characters. But then, I don't want the previous two PCs to return and don't think they'd serve any purpose but fanservice. Lol

[Spectre slayer]

Cameos no, fan service no, have somekind of role with a plot as npc's then yes according to Gaider this may happen and he's stated this numerous times which seems to get ignored.

If it was just purely fan service or a cameo like many people seem to think then they'd be wrong since again he's stated numerous times if it was just going to be that then they wouldn't bother with it and only would do it if they get it right and ideally give us control over their physical appearance.

Whether or not they appear in the game there disappearance will be addressed according to Gaider since he said they've always intended to use the plot in some way and that them appearing is not a false expectation and the last time he posted on this he said and I quote people need to expect the possibility that they may appear in DAI and later on he said basically accept or panic whichever your preference is.


This is still if but if people are saying no because they don't want them to appear, don't think they're going to appear, don't think they'll handle them right etc, among other things and they aren't going to do it because of those reasons. Well they've already stated that if they use them none of that will stop them from doing so, since they aren't ours anymore nor do we have any control over their futures or any say in them showing possibly showing up besides killing the warden off, and that it's only made them hesitant but they will do what's best for DAI'S story and for the game as a whole which involves possibly using them in some way.


Do I want it to happen, not really, do I care if they appear or not, not really since everything i've read on this going back awhile makes me think they'll use them and there's not a whole lot we can do about it. At first I didn't think they would use them at all or they won't bother with them but that's just not the case, there's a good chance they both might appear in DAI if your warden is alive to do so, and Hawkes story will end since it was supposed to in the exalted march expansion pack and that's apart of DAI so he/she has a better chance.


As for going through the Eluvian, they will not throw that out, you did go through it and spent like 7-8 years there but yes you do leave there at some point before 9:40 dragon and yes this will be addressed either way, the same goes for if you did the dr and had the ogb.

[WonderNubs23]

Ieldra2 wrote...




To be precise, I would like some off-screen involvement of our Wardens and Hawkes, as long as they do things I wouldn't consider grossly out of character, and yes, there is evidence that this might happen, particularly that the comments at the end of DA2 hint that their involvement in the greater conflict isn't over. What I would NOT like would be for them to appear physically since they would have a standardized appearance and thus, from appearance alone, would not be my Wardens and Hawkes.

(As to the bolded part) You have to consider that when that was written, the devs were planning on The Exhalted Marches expansion. I suspect that was what they were alluding to. Not long ago, David Gaider (I believe) said that that storyline had been re-written and integrated into the DA:I story. That could mean any number of things, rather that will include a physical appearance by Hawke, or simply a codex entry has been left unsaid (as far as I know). I'd like to see it, but if there really isn't a character-creator, I don't see how they'll pull off a physical cameo. Just my two cents...

[Sanunes]

I think its best of those two characters are left in the past, there are too many variables and with how the BSN has reacted to different things in the past, I believe there will be no compromise on how it will look.

Right now we know that The Keep will allow us to enter some information flags about our previous characters, probably name/gender/class type of information, but beyond that I really don't expect anything because of how the BSN reacted to other information about other import issues. The ones that come to mind are Morrigan and Varric's appearance (I expect worse with a visual return of The Warden or Hawke) and how buggy the face import of Shepard was from Mass Effect 2 to Mass Effect 3 was.